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Posted: 11 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

@Sonia: No-one is talking about that, my friend.

That is admirable of Jodha " I , for one, give her that. I would've done the same.

I only speak of the constant humiliation, insults, anger, in-gratitude & nasty insults un-becoming of her & her up-bringing that she throws Jalal's way.

Moreso, because they're only met by cheer, wicked humour, teasing situations , Jalal's care & now, deep sparks of love.

It hasn't got anything to do with him being a Muslim & she, a Raajvanshi.

It has to do with her spoilt, highly childish, highly in-sensitive & nasty behaviour.



Jalal learnt something very crucial after the suicide incident when he said Ek hi kashti mein sawaar...he understood her deep fear and the need for immense patience , kindness and gentleness in dealing with her no matter what the provocation...I absolutely loved him for that sensitivity especially from a man like him. And so despite her back & forth on every issue, he has kept his resolve. He being well experienced knows her fear of intimacy and will continue to be patient ( Again putting my full faith in him) no matter how ridiculous her words may become.😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42
You quoted me shyamala I am so honored. I can't write as well as you, your command of the vocabulary is superlative I am touched you liked what I wrote.
Newtons law of gravity excellent conjecture, this is not true just between episodes but within a episode too. How the first half was good and the second half unacceptable.

I think we all have screamed hoarse and bruised our finger tips at typing our distaste and soon to become hatred for Jodha. I might be in the minority but who else loves Salima Begum. I know on a physicality level they don't match, but she is so dignified and such a lovely human being. If only Jalal could love her and she has Rahim too they would make such a lovely family. So far the only reason for Jalal to like Jodha is because she is pretty, doesn't that make it shallow, infact Jodha has more reasons to love him but she doesn't what does that tell you about her. True love isn't about physicality anyways, Salima and Jalal could share a far deeper understanding and togetherness more than which Jodha is capable of offering. Infact his love life isn't that hopeless for whatever faults ruquaiya has, she does love him her own sort of way and salima admires him would that not be enough for Jalal to feel special.

If I had every problem with Jodha I had no problem so far with the way Jalal is written. I even accepted which I didn't like at first that his sexual naughtiness is part of his charm and in retrospect it did add more flavor to his character. But this episode where he is shown to almost pleading with Jodha nooo that is where I am going to draw the line on his character development. In a love story both the characters should be moving forward if not at the same rate but atleast in the same direction. If the writers even care to salvage this epic love story, which is seeming less epic by each episode it is time for Jalal to put Jodha in her place and go about his business. I thought epicness was going to be in their love, so far the only thing I am seeing is how much patience can a 16th century emperor have the answer is epic proportions.

I loved your reference to Gone with the Wind. One of my all time fav movies. What a scene you highlighted, one of the most highly contested scenes in english literature, was it or was it not consensual. We all know how that movie ended, Scarlett got her due punishment and it is time for Jodha to get hers. Rhett fervent love for Scarlett was that he didn't want to tame her, he wanted her to love him in her wildness, the irony being that was what he soon realized was exhausting and he left her. Hahaaa as I write that I reminded of a even bigger irony, MA gleeful laughs that Jalal will throw aside Jodha once he physically haves her, but the joke is on Jodha, he wont toss her aside for that but what he truly craves she doesn't have and it has nothing to do with Sex. Would Jalal soon find Jodha exhausting??? Scarlett's most epic line 'After all tomorrow is another day', will we have Jodha echo such sentiments.
Edited by loveanime - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: elasingh

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I know that Lashy 😆...I just love teasing Rose😉 and you are one of the most balanced one on the forum and it is obvious you are on nobody's side...

I'm on cloud nine now...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
Lashy's dil is baagh baagh 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45
Shyamala Aunty, awesome analysis .

Agree with everything .

In my opinion , jodha will never be anyone we can identify with as women . At least not me. She will be a plot tool to make the story move forward, hence the constant character destruction . Case in point : yesterday's distasteful behavior is only to facilitate ruqs re-entry . They won't allow jalal and jodha to go back to Agra with new found affection or respect . At least on jodhas part because they can't have them falling in love this early in the story . Hence she regressed. I hope I'm wrong though , I'd love to be wrong .
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: loveanime

You quoted me shyamala I am so honored. I can't write as well as you, your command of the vocabulary is superlative I am touched you liked what I wrote.

Newtons law of gravity excellent conjecture, this is not true just between episodes but within a episode too. How the first half was good and the second half unacceptable.

I think we all have screamed hoarse and bruised our finger tips at typing our distaste and soon to become hatred for Jodha. I might be in the minority but who else loves Salima Begum. I know on a physicality level they don't match, but she is so dignified and such a lovely human being. If only Jalal could love her and she has Rahim too they would make such a lovely family. So far the only reason for Jalal to like Jodha is because she is pretty, doesn't that make it shallow, infact Jodha has more reasons to love him but she doesn't what does that tell you about her. True love isn't about physicality anyways, Salima and Jalal could share a far deeper understanding and togetherness more than which Jodha is capable of offering. Infact his love life isn't that hopeless for whatever faults ruquaiya has, she does love him her own sort of way and salima admires him would that not be enough for Jalal to feel special.

If I had every problem with Jodha I had no problem so far with the way Jalal is written. I even accepted which I didn't like at first that his sexual naughtiness is part of his charm and in retrospect it did add more flavor to his character. But this episode where he is shown to almost pleading with Jodha nooo that is where I am going to draw the line on his character development. In a love story both the characters should be moving forward if not at the same rate but atleast in the same direction. If the writers even care to salvage this epic love story, which is seeming less epic by each episode it is time for Jalal to put Jodha in her place and go about his business. I thought epicness was going to be in their love, so far the only thing I am seeing is how much patience can a 16th century emperor have the answer is epic proportions.

I loved your reference to Gone with the Wind. One of my all time fav movies. What a scene you highlighted, one of the most highly contested scenes in english literature, was it or was it not consensual. We all know how that movie ended, Scarlett got her due punishment and it is time for Jodha to get hers. Rhett fervent love for Scarlett was that he didn't want to tame her, he wanted her to love him in her wildness, the irony being that was what he soon realized was exhausting and he left her. Hahaaa as I write that I reminded of a even bigger irony, MA gleeful laughs that Jalal will throw aside Jodha once he physically haves her, but the joke is on Jodha, he wont toss her aside for that but what he truly craves she doesn't have and it has nothing to do with Sex. Would Jalal soon find Jodha exhausting??? Scarlett's most epic line 'After all tomorrow is another day', will we have Jodha echo such sentiments.



I too love Salima Begum, most dignified character.. But she still loves her husband Bairam khan.. Jalaal married her for protection . He can't love her, but respect her as his wife and love Rahim as son. I think CVS are showing the constract of Jodha... The jodha who doesn't have any feelings for Jalaal and the jodha who will love Jalaal with be his side...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: abhi786



I too love Salima Begum, most dignified character.. But she still loves her husband Bairam khan.. Jalaal married her for protection . He can't love her, but respect her as his wife and love Rahim as son. I think CVS are showing the constract of Jodha... The jodha who doesn't have any feelings for Jalaal and the jodha who will love Jalaal with be his side...



They can do whatever they want . They can make her hate him and distrust him for a long time . But they stripping her of dignity and common sense . You can hate someone and not cheapen yourself by it , which what they make her do sometimes sadly
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48
Ariel...how sensibly you've put it lady...hats off to you...on a side note, its only possible to put it so matter-of-factly if you're not as 'taken' by the characters as us..😳...am I right in thinking so...once you start getting emotionally involved, all this takes up too much of one's time and energy😆
Either way, everything you've typed up there ^^^ makes tremendous sense..

Jodha is no longer a character that she was at the start of the show, she's a tool that the CVs are misusing to keep the story running...that's why the inconsistencies and lack of justification in many many of her actions lately!
Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Dear Shyamala ...i have understood two things by now...

1) the writer for jodha and Jalal are two different person...and the one who writes for jodha is under the influence of something really bad...given the character graph of jodha...she is like indian batting...sometimes all we see is centuries and half centuries and sometimes all we see is zeros and ones...she is simply swaying as per the whims and fancies of her maker

2) jalal is either madly in love or deaf...otherwise no way he or any person can tolerate her condescending attitude ..since we know he is not deaf it has to be the former😆...

but then why alone jodha ,women around him seem to have absolutely no good opinion about him ,be it his bestie or his badi mommy ..they describe him as some monster on prowl ...

Edited by sun29 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: lashy

I'm on cloud nine now...

I mean it.

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