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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: preeti.r

Very valid points as to why it wouldn't be a revenge track, one more point I would like to add here is that

During the Ajmer dargha track they have shown JA n JO souls talk and even they believe it was the beginning of their romance or change of opinion about each other. If there was a revenge track and then again Jalal realising his mistake and trying to rectify it etc then that would be the turning point and not this.
( hopefully the Cv's don't prove even the Souls of JA n JO don't know when they fell for each other)


Also I don't think Jalal is currently head over heals in love with Jodha , but yes he may have recollected the night after the tiger attack and how jodha tries to save him, maybe no one has done something for him. They may have done it for the shehenshah but not for Jalal. And he does value kind gestures ... Classic example is MA doodh ka Karz.

He is currently in the initial stage of loveria , not able to identify what it is that pulls them towards each other inspite of them being very vocal about their mutual dislike of each other

Preeti, whatever he may be feeling or not feeling, I don't think he will be telling Ruqaiaya the state of his heart
a. without being sure what is the state of Jodha's heart
b. without being sure what is the state of Ruqaiaya's heart
Why would he tell Ruq about a half-baked idea if he himself is only entering slowly into the state of loveria??
Also, what is that "badi mistake" aur "choti sazaa" he is talking to Ruq about? Ruq may be talking about the bullets and the slaps, but can it not be that Jalal was talking about some thing else? he did look as if he had some double meaning in that sentence!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I'm still hoping that this fake love game is wrong, because I was still waiting for Jodha to nurse Jalal back to health, but even though I guessed that Jalal wants to take revenge from Jodha, but I really don't want it to be true, for the last few epsiodes Jalals character was so sweet, and he was such a caring husband even towards a wife he "hates" but this will surely ruin AkDha for me, I wanted this love story to be unique, not the typical bs, I'm praying that my guess is absoulutely WRONG!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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What if Jalal has genuinly fallen in love?what is wrong with that?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: elasingh

What if Jalal has genuinly fallen in love?what is wrong with thst

Ela, that would be great, but do you think he would tell that to Ruq? Even if she is his best friend, surely he would have elementary tact and see that it may hurt his best friend if he says he has fallen in love with Jodha?
There must be some limits to his confiding in Ruq, and it doesn't look to me like he may wish to hurt Ruq with this declaration?
I for one would love it though if he has fallen for Jodha. There is one theory that he may not fall for Jodha so soon, but I feel, so what if he falls for Jodha soon. The story can be that Jodha does not yet return his love and so he may have to wait for that in "dard"? That too is a definite way forward for the story?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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He saved Jodha risking his life?Maybe he realised that he loves her...Of course he will tell this to his best friend...we all do...when he visits some other woman ,Ruku knows ...then why not now? I am so happy with the precap...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

He saved Jodha risking his life?Maybe he realised that he loves her...Of course he will tell this to his best friend...we all do...when he visits some other woman ,Ruku knows ...then why not now? I am so happy with the precap...

To add to that maybe he remembers clearly all that she did alone in the forest to try and save him after the tiger bites. And then despite the accusations of all she herself went around admitting to removing the bullets and even inviting the slaps.
Whoever told Jalal that she made that lep for him (probably Hamida) must have also told Jalal that Jodha herself was admitting to everyone her mistake in removing the bullets and that can only fill him with admiration for her. So yes, maybe he has every reason to fall in love with her!
I still have my reservations about him telling Ruq about it, because even though she is his best friend, it would be a bit uncaring to tell her. If jalal is being caring about Jodha, I have a feeling he would be equally caring to Ruq also in not hurting her feelings.
For example, he may have been testing Ruq's feelings by asking what she thought of Jodha's barthav? And when Ruq said she cannot forgive Jodha for her mistake even if later she made that lep, then jalal would have got a good idea of Ruq being anti-Jodha. In such a case would he tell Ruq about love for Jodha? I feel not, but that my personal feeling!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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The scenario you have outlined, and then yourself negated, Mansi, is not a welcome prospect at all, for it sounds like the worst of Mills and Boon. Morever, once she is fooled like this, how on earth can Jodha ever trust Jalal the second time around?

It is in fact exactly like the story of the old Amitabh Bachchan-Raakhee starrer Jurmana (1979), That was quite nice, but it would hardly do for Jodha Akbar!

I do not buy this theory at all, and I do not need such complicated reasoning for reaching this conclusion.

Let us take such facts as we have, beginning with Jalal's reaction post the mauling. He does not make the slightest reproach to Jodha, and this when he thinks he is dying.

Then there is what he tells Mahaam earlier about the ek kashti mein sawaar with Jodha. That was a deeply emotional, straight from the heart statement, which would not at all jell with any such subsequent petty revenge idea

No, Mansi, this devious track does not fit with Jalal as we know him. He has always been direct and bull-headed, and he has never used any woman.

Besides, I would not trust this source at all. Some time back, I saw a thread here which said, based on this same Khabroo's 'inside info', that Adham Khan would have Jalal's party attacked on the way back to Agra, that the attack would be foiled, Jalal and Jodha would be separated from the main convoy, and in the process of finding their way back, would come closer. No need to comment on that!

The precap, which is very convincing in terms of Jalal's body language, especially the way he barely lifts his eyes to Ruqaiya's , looks like a googly by the CVs, for if it was true, it would be decidedly premature.

But if it is true, then obviously it is genuine, and he tells Ruqaiya because he has no one else to confide in who will not blurt it out to Jodha, which he would not want at all, as it would hurt his pride. He tells her because she is his best friend, and she has always pitched their relationship outside the framework of love, so he would assume that she would not mind so long she still had a hold on his dimaag. He could not be more wrong, but then when has an alpha male ever understood women? 😉

Shyamala
Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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trust me it is Mahams dream...all the damn spoilers are false...Tiger aaya ...Spoilt Jalals face nothing happened , expect making a paste Jodha has not ventured near him after literally getting the guy killed...no nursing , no eyelock..aur Sukanya ka var bhi doondh liya Jalal ne Ajmer ke rasta me...😆😆😆
aur the forum is talking abt love😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

The scenario you have outlined, and then yourself negated, Mansi, is not a welcome prospect at all, for it sounds like the worst of Mills and Boon. Morever, once she is fooled like this, how on earth can Jodha ever trust Jalal the second time around?

It is in fact exactly like the story of the old Amitabh Bachchan-Raakhee starrer Jurmana (1979), That was quite nice, but it would hardly do for Jodha Akbar!

I do not buy this theory at all, and I do not need such complicated reasoning for reaching this conclusion.

Let us take such facts as we have, beginning with Jalal's reaction post the mauling. He does not make the slightest reproach to Jodha, and this when he thinks he is dying.

Then there is what he tells Mahaam earlier about the ek kashti mein sawaar with Jodha. That was a deeply emotional, straight from the heart statement, which would not at all jell with any such subsequent petty revenge idea

No, Mansi, this devious track does not fit with Jalal as we know him. He has always been direct and bull-headed, and he has never used any woman.

Besides, I would not trust this source at all. Some time back, I saw a thread here which said, based on this same Khabroo's 'inside info', that Adham Khan would have Jalal's party attacked on the way back to Agra, that the attack would be foiled, Jalal and Jodha would be separated from the main convoy, and in the process of finding their way back, would come closer. No need to comment on that!

The precap, which is very convincing in terms of Jalal's body language, especially the way he barely lifts his eyes to Ruqaiya's , looks like a googly by the CVs, for if it was true, it would be decidedly premature.

But if it is true, then obviously it is genuine, and he tells Ruqaiya because he has no one else to confide in who will not blurt it out to Jodha, which he would not want at all, as it would hurt his pride. He tells her because she is his best friend, and she has always pitched their relationship outside the framework of love, so he would assume that she would not mind so long she still had a hold on his dimaag. He could not be more wrong, but then when has an alpha male ever understood women? 😉

Shyamala

Shyamala, I too stand by theory that Jalal cannot be playing games with Jodha. I thought I was in agreement with the points you've made. Where did I create the impression that I was "negating this angle"? Perhaps inadvertently I wrote something somewhere that sounded like I was negating my own theory?
And yes, regarding this "inside source" of spoilers, I remember we were waiting for Hoshiyar to emerge as culprit too. I have since then discounted every single "tidbit"!
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Your analysis of yesterday's episode is just bang on. Your way of looking at various theories, etc. I apt. I am sure as you say creative are trying to create a hype for ppl to watch tomorrow's episode, I also think that CVs will not be treating history by killing Jalal's character, however fictionalised it is as Ekta says. It will be a disaster. I also agree, that there would be a gap before Jodha-Jalal will head off to Amer, he will be cured and Jodha may be shown nursing him, whether as a punishment or otherwise is yet to be seen.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Friends, relax! I know that yesterday's precap has given rise to intense speculation, but I have a take on this that I want to bounce off all of you ...

There are lots of theories that Jalal may be beginning a "love game" with Jodha, wherein he pretends to love her and then when she starts responding he exposes her and gets his two bits of revenge for the forest episode of the gun-bullet-removal.

But I do not subscribe to that theory for the following reasons:

1. If he was playing that game, why would he tell that game to Ruqaiaya? So far, it is true that he has confided in Ruq sometimes about Jodha, but if you notice carefully, he always confided in Ruq when he was in uljhan about Jodha's behaviour, but whenever he wanted to play games with Jodha he NEVER told Ruq or anyone about it. He never told Ruq about his Amer trip, about his commissioning Jodha's painting or even about the scenes with Jodha at the bazaar when he was in disguise etc. When he wants to do something secretive about Jodha he does it without a word to anyone, especially Ruq. It is when he is confounded by Jodha or exasperated by her that he confides in Ruq. So my first hunch is that if he were planning a "love game" with Jodha, he would not confide that in Ruq. In fact that would be the last thing he would do!

2. There was whole press-conference and a spate of full page ads on national media that the forest incident is going to spark off an epic romance between Jalal and Jodha. At this stage, after all this build up, I doubt the Creatives will now show Jalal trying to spring a "dirty one in revenge" over Jodha. In fact, there seems to be a deliberate attempt now by the Creatives to highlight the Ruq-Jodha differences palpably. Every single scene yesterday was used by the Creatives to build up this Ruq-Jodha difference (e.g.)


a.
Maham asking Ruq first who she values more - the friend, the husband or the King - and Ruq answering that it was Jalal as King who mattered more. Whereas Jodha told Hamida the opposite, that the man Jalal mattered more to her.

b. Then there was a scene of Maham openly saying that Ruq was losing hold on Jalal and in fact Jalal was swinging in favour of Jodha alarmingly.

c. And then there was the scene between Jodha and Rahim whereby via the tiger-fight story Jodha was made to say she regrets the bullet-removal incident, however well-meaning her intention was. Jodha is being shown as ready to be open about the bullets and move on ... whereas in a later scene (Ruq rubbing lep on Jodha's cheeks) Ruq is shown as not wanting to move on past the bullets error, even if in the end Jodha managed to right the wrong by saving jalal's life with the lep!
d. And then of course, there was this whole fruit-eating scene with Jalal and Ruq that seemed to have a very double-edged conversation between them that seems to be important, but its true meaning is difficult to decipher.


This was the exact scene where he is with Ruqaiaya in his bedroom eating fruits.

Ruq tries to get him to eat her sevaian, when Rahim enters with fruit. Ruq is made to say she thinks Salima sent the fruit, but Rahim says it was Jodha who sent it, and offers a fruit to Jalal. He is shown clearly ppereferring the fruit to the sevaian.

He then asks Ruq "What do you think of Jodha's "barthav?" (Did he mean about the fruit-sending, or the lep or the whole gun-bullet episode?) In response Ruq then says Jodha's barthav was not satisfactory. Then Jalal says "But I heard she was the one who made that life-saving lep even before the Gwalior Hakim could arrive?" Ruqaiaya then answers that: "Yes but what does it mean when someone first does something bad and then does something good to cover it up? That's why I had to give her slaps!"

Then Jalal replies: "For such a big mistake, such a small punishment?". Then Ruq again says: "If anyone else had done the same thing, I would have given the same treatment!" And then Jalal replies again: "I would have still said in that case that such a big error and such a small punishment?"

Throughout this exchange, Jalal had a mischievous look on his face, but it was not anti-Jodha, for sure. It seemed more like like he was ribbing (or even testing?) Ruqaiaya to see her reactions to Jodha ... that's my feeling!


The thing that confounds me is: Why did Jalal and Ruq talk that one extra sentence about "anyone else doing the same error and getting the same punishment?" That one bit of extra dialogue here suggests to me that the dialogue was not about Jodha specifically, but about the principle of the thing! And that's why it seems odd to infer that this dialogue suggests a sort of mischievous plan by Jalal to trip up Jodha with a "game of love".

3.
Then comes that scene showing Ruq's obvious jealousy of Jodha after Jodha saved Jalal's life. She rubs the same lep on Jodha with sarcasm, and reiterates that even if Jodha's lep has cured Jalal, the reason for Ruq's slaps remain ... Jodha did an error in the gun-bullet removal and Ruq is not prepared to give up that handle on Jodha, despite Jodha saving Jalal later. It looked like yet another scene where the Creatives want to show a growing insecurity and jealousy in Ruq and a desperate need in Ruq to hold a grudge against Jodha even though Jodha later redeemed herself with the life-saving lep.

4. Also we have to see this above scene not in isolation but along with the subsequent scene where Bharmal comes to thank Jalal for his finding the rishta for Sukanya, when Jalal seems to be coming across as a genuine Amer-family well-wisher and a politically astute king as well. And when Bharmal especially says that Jodha-Jalal should officiate at all the marriage ceremonies, Jalal is again wearing that mischievous look like he has heard what he wanted to hear. I got the feeling here that he wanted that closeness with Jodha which he got an opportunity for via Bharmal.

Given this backdrop, all the scenes I saw yesterday seem to me to be an attempt by the Creatives to now show us that Ruq's colours are fading while Jodha's coulours are shining brighter in comparison. So at this stage, and especially after the press conference and media build up by the Creatives, I do not think they will give us "Jalal-Jodha revenge via love game" as the immediate next theme. If anything, I think it would be the "Jalal-Ruq slight separation of interests" and the "Jalal-Jodha-slight-uniting-of-interests" via this Amer shaadi that could be the trend projected as a fllow up from yesterday's episode.

My hunch regarding the precap is therefore that:


a.
It could be someones dream: Ruq's, Maham's or even Jalal's?

b. I am not sure if Jalal will be shown as travelling to Amer with all the tiger bite marks etc. So maybe there will be an intervening week when he will be shown as getting well and Jodha nursing him back to health after which there may be the Amer trip. In which case, we will have to watch the Jalal-Jodha scenes closely for better meaning of the precap.


c.
As someone has already suggested, if the precap were not a dream but a real scene, Jalal may be saying "half-a-sentence". Maybe he was saying "You Ruq may have an idea that I have falllen in love with Jodha, but that is not true" and it may be his way of calming Ruq who the Creatives are already shown as getting slowly hyper about Jodha.

At this stage all I want to say is that I am not sure why or what that precap scene IS about, but I am dead sure the "revenge love game" theory IS NOT ON!

What do you all think?

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