The 'revenge love game' theory seems wrong!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Friends, relax! I know that yesterday's precap has given rise to intense speculation, but I have a take on this that I want to bounce off all of you ...

There are lots of theories that Jalal may be beginning a "love game" with Jodha, wherein he pretends to love her and then when she starts responding he exposes her and gets his two bits of revenge for the forest episode of the gun-bullet-removal.

But I do not subscribe to that theory for the following reasons:

1. If he was playing that game, why would he tell that game to Ruqaiaya? So far, it is true that he has confided in Ruq sometimes about Jodha, but if you notice carefully, he always confided in Ruq when he was in uljhan about Jodha's behaviour, but whenever he wanted to play games with Jodha he NEVER told Ruq or anyone about it. He never told Ruq about his Amer trip, about his commissioning Jodha's painting or even about the scenes with Jodha at the bazaar when he was in disguise etc. When he wants to do something secretive about Jodha he does it without a word to anyone, especially Ruq. It is when he is confounded by Jodha or exasperated by her that he confides in Ruq. So my first hunch is that if he were planning a "love game" with Jodha, he would not confide that in Ruq. In fact that would be the last thing he would do!

2. There was whole press-conference and a spate of full page ads on national media that the forest incident is going to spark off an epic romance between Jalal and Jodha. At this stage, after all this build up, I doubt the Creatives will now show Jalal trying to spring a "dirty one in revenge" over Jodha. In fact, there seems to be a deliberate attempt now by the Creatives to highlight the Ruq-Jodha differences palpably. Every single scene yesterday was used by the Creatives to build up this Ruq-Jodha difference (e.g.)


a.
Maham asking Ruq first who she values more - the friend, the husband or the King - and Ruq answering that it was Jalal as King who mattered more. Whereas Jodha told Hamida the opposite, that the man Jalal mattered more to her.

b. Then there was a scene of Maham openly saying that Ruq was losing hold on Jalal and in fact Jalal was swinging in favour of Jodha alarmingly.

c. And then there was the scene between Jodha and Rahim whereby via the tiger-fight story Jodha was made to say she regrets the bullet-removal incident, however well-meaning her intention was. Jodha is being shown as ready to be open about the bullets and move on ... whereas in a later scene (Ruq rubbing lep on Jodha's cheeks) Ruq is shown as not wanting to move on past the bullets error, even if in the end Jodha managed to right the wrong by saving jalal's life with the lep!
d.
And then of course, there was this whole fruit-eating scene with Jalal and Ruq that seemed to have a very double-edged conversation between them that seems to be important, but its true meaning is difficult to decipher.


This was the exact scene where he is with Ruqaiaya in his bedroom eating fruits.

Ruq tries to get him to eat her sevaian, when Rahim enters with fruit. Ruq is made to say she thinks Salima sent the fruit, but Rahim says it was Jodha who sent it, and offers a fruit to Jalal. He is shown clearly ppereferring the fruit to the sevaian.

He then asks Ruq "What do you think of Jodha's "barthav?" (Did he mean about the fruit-sending, or the lep or the whole gun-bullet episode?) In response Ruq then says Jodha's barthav was not satisfactory. Then Jalal says "But I heard she was the one who made that life-saving lep even before the Gwalior Hakim could arrive?" Ruqaiaya then answers that: "Yes but what does it mean when someone first does something bad and then does something good to cover it up? That's why I had to give her slaps!"

Then Jalal replies: "For such a big mistake, such a small punishment?". Then Ruq again says: "If anyone else had done the same thing, I would have given the same treatment!" And then Jalal replies again: "I would have still said in that case that such a big error and such a small punishment?"

Throughout this exchange, Jalal had a mischievous look on his face, but it was not anti-Jodha, for sure. It seemed more like like he was ribbing (or even testing?) Ruqaiaya to see her reactions to Jodha ... that's my feeling!


The thing that confounds me is: Why did Jalal and Ruq talk that one extra sentence about "anyone else doing the same error and getting the same punishment?" That one bit of extra dialogue here suggests to me that the dialogue was not about Jodha specifically, but about the principle of the thing! And that's why it seems odd to infer that this dialogue suggests a sort of mischievous plan by Jalal to trip up Jodha with a "game of love".

3.
Then comes that scene showing Ruq's obvious jealousy of Jodha after Jodha saved Jalal's life. She rubs the same lep on Jodha with sarcasm, and reiterates that even if Jodha's lep has cured Jalal, the reason for Ruq's slaps remain ... Jodha did an error in the gun-bullet removal and Ruq is not prepared to give up that handle on Jodha, despite Jodha saving Jalal later. It looked like yet another scene where the Creatives want to show a growing insecurity and jealousy in Ruq and a desperate need in Ruq to hold a grudge against Jodha even though Jodha later redeemed herself with the life-saving lep.

4. Also we have to see this above scene not in isolation but along with the subsequent scene where Bharmal comes to thank Jalal for his finding the rishta for Sukanya, when Jalal seems to be coming across as a genuine Amer-family well-wisher and a politically astute king as well. And when Bharmal especially says that Jodha-Jalal should officiate at all the marriage ceremonies, Jalal is again wearing that mischievous look like he has heard what he wanted to hear. I got the feeling here that he wanted that closeness with Jodha which he got an opportunity for via Bharmal.

Given this backdrop, all the scenes I saw yesterday seem to me to be an attempt by the Creatives to now show us that Ruq's colours are fading while Jodha's coulours are shining brighter in comparison. So at this stage, and especially after the press conference and media build up by the Creatives, I do not think they will give us "Jalal-Jodha revenge via love game" as the immediate next theme. If anything, I think it would be the "Jalal-Ruq slight separation of interests" and the "Jalal-Jodha-slight-uniting-of-interests" via this Amer shaadi that could be the trend projected as a fllow up from yesterday's episode.

My hunch regarding the precap is therefore that:


a.
It could be someones dream: Ruq's, Maham's or even Jalal's?

b. I am not sure if Jalal will be shown as travelling to Amer with all the tiger bite marks etc. So maybe there will be an intervening week when he will be shown as getting well and Jodha nursing him back to health after which there may be the Amer trip. In which case, we will have to watch the Jalal-Jodha scenes closely for better meaning of the precap.


c.
As someone has already suggested, if the precap were not a dream but a real scene, Jalal may be saying "half-a-sentence". Maybe he was saying "You Ruq may have an idea that I have falllen in love with Jodha, but that is not true" and it may be his way of calming Ruq who the Creatives are already shown as getting slowly hyper about Jodha.

At this stage all I want to say is that I am not sure why or what that precap scene IS about, but I am dead sure the "revenge love game" theory IS NOT ON!

What do you all think?

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stuti123 thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
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all i will say is aapke mooh mein ghee shakkar..👍🏼...hats of tour optimism ...a part of me still feels dat the emperor of India can never stoop low to something like a fake love drama to punish one of his begums...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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mansi I do agree with you.. Jalal being the emperor n love hate game is not gonna work. hes not road side romeo / any normal hero , hes an EMPEROR.
N I personally dun prefer of this love hate game, I mean pretend to love n hurt one party coz the whole magic of love will be gone.
They can take their time falling in love confessing... n all but NO Pretend n hurt formula PLZ 😆...
Im yet to recover from Madhubala story line... 😆 I dun want another edition here 😆
Edited by riyya6 - 11 years ago
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You make excellent points... I hope this is how it goes hun👏👏👏... I'm not 100% for the fake love but I support it... If it doesn't happen I'm also okay with it.. We'll just have to wait and see... The ones who agree with it like me have good reason to do so, but the naysayers are absolutely right from their standpoint as well👏👏👏
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mansi how if it happens this way, Jalal wants to get close to jodha... he does everything to please her n all... But he himself dun understand why is he feeling so... Jodha gives green signal n put pressure on him abt love n all... He feels the heat n says I dun love you... I dun have heart... coz he himself dun understand this new found feeling n Maham Anga + Ruqaiyya puts more fire here making him confuse... He rejects jodha... Jodha feels hurts... here hes not pretending he wanted to have jodha as his wife like any other begums but not love love thing... I hope I made sense😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

At this stage all I want to say is that I am not sure why or what that precap scene IS about, but I am dead sure the "revenge love game" theory IS NOT ON!

What do you all think?

I'm not sure...I can only hope...and hope is something I really am doing now...😆

As for a few other reasons it doesn't make sense...
Backtrack a few episodes and glimpse at all the scenes Jalal reflected on Jodha post her suicide...
How he's accommodated her, understood her, thought her and him as one - on a lonely boat.
What about what he confessed to her before he shut his eyes...
None of them makes sense...

At an earlier juncture in their relationship, when they knew not each other and 100% hatred was prevalent this would make more sense...since at that time, Jodha never really trusted him at all it would be less-of-a-blow IYKWIM. In this juncture, it sounds very bad of Jalal to be indulging in these kind of tactics - when he knows the mistake she committed was out of ignorance.

On a more serious note - SERIOUSNESS disclaimer 😊
As far as I'm concerned, vindictively trapping someone in love and luring them to love you (even if its husband/wife) - is nearly as bad as rape itself...only, in one - you're using physical power and in the other, its guile & trickery to mentally cheat someone. For some reason, society considers one far far worse than another when in both cases the proprietor ends up leaving the innocent victim helpless, distraught, cheated, depressed (and maybe suicidal)...for many girls being cheated by the one you trust and know is far far worse than being forced upon by a stranger...

In both, you've ravaged the peace, mind, sanity (and even to a certain extent) the body of another... In my eyes, there's nothing that can make the depravity of 'revenge love' seem lesser than the other crime. Yet, while the other kind is still globally frowned upon, the cheating-love kind is accepted in love books - as long as the cheater ends up falling in love at some point of time.
This does not negate how far such an issue would affect the victim and how long it'd take for the victim to start trusting anyone else - forget the cheater himself!

Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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The most important argument I can think of against this "fake love" angle is that after a whole press conference and massive media build up that the tiger incident is going to start the "epic romance", I doubt that the Ekta group is planning to do a dirty number such as a fake love and revenge.
In fact its just the opposite, if they have built up this epic romance to start now, then it means to me that there is going to be a separation of the Jalal-Ruq combination in some small form at least and a greater closeness of the jalal-Jodha combination. That what the seeds seemed to be sown for yesterday.
So it's highly unlikely to me that they will show Jalal-Ruq in any conspiracy to do a "fake love" game on Jodha!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Liked ur view points.😉 In yesterday's episode- throughout - its double meaning dialogues by Jalal with a mischievous face expression. Anyway, in future even if Jalal comes closer to Jodha, Maham and Ruks will create problems and difference between them.
Anyway this whole week been a wonderful entertainment for us.👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: riyya6

mansi how if it happens this way, Jalal wants to get close to jodha... he does everything to please her n all... But he himself dun understand why is he feeling so... Jodha gives green signal n put pressure on him abt love n all... He feels the heat n says I dun love you... I dun have heart... coz he himself dun understand this new found feeling n Maham Anga + Ruqaiyya puts more fire here making him confuse... He rejects jodha... Jodha feels hurts... here hes not pretending he wanted to have jodha as his wife like any other begums but not love love thing... I hope I made sense😆

Everything you say is 100% possible Riyya, but WHY DOES HE NEED TO TELL RUQ ABOUT IT? That is the million-dollar question!😲
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

I'm not sure...I can only hope...and hope is something I really am doing now...😆

As for a few other reasons it doesn't make sense...
Backtrack a few episodes and glimpse at all the scenes Jalal reflected on Jodha post her suicide...
How he's accommodated her, understood her, thought her and him as one - on a lonely boat.
What about what he confessed to her before he shut his eyes...
None of them makes sense...

At an earlier juncture in their relationship, when they knew not each other and 100% hatred was prevalent this would make more sense...since at that time, Jodha never really trusted him at all it would be less-of-a-blow IYKWIM. In this juncture, it sounds very bad of Jalal to be indulging in these kind of tactics - when he knows the mistake she committed was out of ignorance.

On a more serious note - SERIOUSNESS disclaimer 😊
As far as I'm concerned, vindictively trapping someone in love and luring them to love you (even if its husband/wife) - is nearly as bad as rape itself...only, in one - you're using physical power and in the other, its guile & trickery to mentally cheat someone. For some reason, society considers one far far worse than another when in both cases the proprietor ends up leaving the innocent victim helpless, distraught, cheated, depressed (and maybe suicidal)...for many girls being cheated by the one you trust and know is far far worse than being forced upon by a stranger...

In both, you've ravaged the peace, mind, sanity (and even to a certain extent) the body of another... In my eyes, there's nothing that can make the depravity of 'revenge love' seem lesser than the other crime. Yet, while the other kind is still globally frowned upon, the cheating-love kind is accepted in love books - as long as the cheater ends up falling in love at some point of time.
This does not negate how far such an issue would affect the victim and how long it'd take for the victim to start trusting anyone else - forget the cheater himself!

Lashy, you have made some utterly brilliant points! And I totally agree with you that the days of revenge are over. he now does surely understand why she did what she did and I too am sure he does not hold it against her!
This whole "fake love" theory smacks of impossibility because it would take the story back by about fifteen episodes!

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