Too many inexplicables in yesterdays episode! - Page 2

u actually sat & pondered over it soo much 👏

Originally posted by: skanda12

Agree with your point there!

Originally posted by: pkaps

u actually sat & pondered over it soo much 👏

Tk a chill pill & sit back...relax and just watch. These are tele soaps... discontinuity is scenes & story line is common. Don't worry yourself over it ... just enjoy 😛

hey, I have used different colours in my answer (I have tried by best to my ability to give some thought)

1. Why did Jalal not mention anything to the Amer boys about Jodha wanting to go back?

On the face of it, the whole scene looked like the Amer boys destination was going to be some other part of their Amer territory and they were not heading directly back to the Amer palace, so one explanation could be that Jalal saw no reason to tell them to take Jodha along back to Amer. But on the other hand, if Jodha was hell-bent on going back and Jalal was as hell-bent on sending her back, would some talk on the subject at least have not taken place between Jalal and Jodha's brothers about Jodha also wanting to go back to Amer? Did Jalal not want the Amer brothers to know that he and Jodha were talking about separation and therefore he didn't mention the subject? He found it in himself to ask them if they had told Jodha they were leaving, so did that mean Jalal hoped Jodha herself would tell her brothers that she wished to leave with them, thus sparing Jalal the embarassment of telling them the separation story? And when the Amer boys said they had no time to tell Jodha, did it not occur to Jalal at that point at least to tell them that Jodha too was also likely to leave soon? It seems strange to me that this whole conversation between Jalal and the Amer boys just missed out on the whole "Jodha leaving" issue totally when it was in fact a key issue in the story at this time between the protagonists. It could have been a natural thing to forget Jodha through this discussion with Bhagwan Das & Co., as they were in a hurry ... but on the other hand I am also asking: Is there a possibility that Jalal did not want Jodha to go with her brothers and is that why he did not even broach the whole subject? Keep that question in mind as you read the next point ...

The discussion of Jodha going back to Amer was between husband and wife (since it called or some terms like divotrce and JOdha had to decide on the move). Jalal had heard Jodha telling his subjects that even Raja Rani also has a private life and she doesn't like it when puclic talk about it. Now Jalal is implementing the same. Jalal didn't want to mke it evident to Amer people about his wish to send Jodha back to Amer (as he has given the alternative choice to stay I Agra), it will be in the hands of Jodha how to put front her request to her brothers. Had Jodha informed her brothers about her wish to join them in the travel to Amer, they would have said that in front of Jala and would have asked him to organize some alternative arrangements to send her to Amer. So to know about that only Jalal had questioned them, whether they will not meet their sister before leaving and from their answer, it was evisent that she has not told them. It was his good will that had stopped him from revealing the news when she had kept it as a secret. Now he knows to respect her feelings, which is a good sign.

2. At which point did Jalal write the paigam to Bharmal?

When Jalal was talking to Jodha in yesterday's episode itself he mentioned that it would be just a mere two days of remaining stay for her in Agra and she would then return to Amer. So if that statement were true, then the paigam Jalal wrote to Bharmal to send an escort team for Jodha's return to Amer must already have been sent to Bharmal (sinnce the escort team then would be due to arrive in two days from yesterday). Yet when Jalal subsequently spoke to the Amer boys about their urgent return to Amer in today's episode, he mentioned nothing again about already having sent the paigam to Bharmal to send a fetch-team for Jodha's return! And today again, when Ruqaiya asks Jalal why he has sent for Bharmal's escort team for Jodha and why did he not send Jodha back with her brothers, his explanation was that the brothers were going elsewhere and hence he had asked for a separate escort team for Jodha. But look at the sequence of events ... he only knew in today's episode that the Amer boys were leaving for another destination. So how could Jalal have planned the alternative escort team from Bharmal for Jodha yesterday in lieu of sending her with her brothers, which he knew to be unfeasible only today? It again seems strange to me that Jalal has thus tied his logic into knots. Why is his logic faulty? Is it just a blooper by the Creatives, or is Jalal somehow trying to make an illogical story add up in some tenuous way for "reasons of his own"?

The phrase of 2 days has got nothing to do with the actual number of days. It is generally used to refer guest or non-permanent members' who might leave in the near future. If you talk to the aged people who are sick, they will also say the same phrase, nothing can be improved in their condition, now they are do din ka mehman, that doesn't mean their family wll consider that they will die of the day after. The paigam must have been sent to Baramal oly after the Amer boys left for their war field (to the boarder of Amer to protect Amer from invasions, may be by Pratap & co .)

3. Why could Jalal himself not take Jodha to Amer? Why requisition Bharmal's team to take her?

This is one puzzle that interests me exceedingly. Would it not have been easier for Jalal to quickly send Jodha with a team of his own to drop her home at Amer, than for him to requsition an escort team from Amer? This dropping of Jodha at Amer by Jalal's team could also have been thought of after the Amer boys said their destination was not the Amer palace. So neither at the time of sending the paigam to Bharmal, nor at the time of talks with the Amer boys did it occur to Jalal that Jodha and he could both have their wishes speedily fulfilled if only he could send her home with his Mughal team?! This begs the question: what was in the paigam to Bharmal? And what reply was Jalal expecting from Bharmal? A sinister idea is hitting my mind that maybe - just maybe - Jalal was hoping for a negative reply from Bharmal, that Jodha was not very welcome back in Amer, and that Bharmal did not find it advisable to take Jodha home, and therefore he cannot send an escort team? Maybe I am reading too much into the situation and it is in the nature of protocol that Bharmal should send his team and Jodha should not have to lean on Jalal's team to reach back home. But if one looks deeper at this state of affairs, one is forced to ask whether all is above board in Jalal's paigam to Bharmal and whether Bharmal will eventually "satisfy" Jalal with a negative reply to taking back Jodha. (Further we have these SBS spoilers now that Jodha is likely to jump into the water (suicide?) and Jalal saves her. Could this be her reaction after Jalal receives a negative reply from Bharmal, when Jodha realises her father does not quite want her back in Amer, and she decides therefore to take this extreme step?)

May be he would have asked for the escort team for Jodha as she is now the wife of an emperor and he wanted additional security other than 4 princes. There needs to be some female also to accompany the troy of a queen. He could have made arrangements from his own people but then this is the first time Jodha is leaving for her mother's place after marriage and it is a custom that people from her maternal home to come and fetch her. I don't think the paigon has the reason for her return, as it has been written by some one else

4. Why did Jalal not tell Jodha what arrangements he has made for her leaving?

When he could tell Ruqaiya this information about the paigam sent to Jodha's father, why did he need time to tell Jodha what he has done by way of arrangements. Is that because he is buying time with Jodha and still hoping that in the space of the next few days he can change her mind about going back to Amer? I cannot think of any logical reason why he should not want to share this information with her on the arrangements he has made for her departure, especially when they are both reiterating even today during the swordfight scene that they cannot wait to see her back in Amer. Would it not have been utterly logical for him to say "Oh, have no fear, this is what I've done to ensure your speedy departure!"

He informed Ruqaiya about the arranegments as he shares everything with her. He is reminding himself that she is going back to Amer for good. But he could not inform her about the same as she didn't allow him to talk and started to blast her fire bombs directed to him. Any sane man will get agitated at this emotional show down and he being Jalal got frustrated that he decideds against telling her about the arrangements he has already made for her. Had he told her about his letter to her father, then also, he would have received a big lecture of about how he doesn't care about some one else's feelings, how he enjoys playing with her emotions etc.

5. Why did Jalal tell Jodha not to tell anyone about her leaving? And why the stall?

When Jalal could tell Ruqaiya that Jodha was shortly about to leave forever ("... as per Ruqaiya's wish!") why did Jalal tell Jodha not to tell anyone she was leaving? Maybe it was so that she would not alert Hamida and the others at the Agra palace to pressurise Jalal to make her stay. But again, why did he then also press her to put up the stall at the Meena Bazar? Did he do that just to make her submissive in her last two days at Agra? Or did he do that to "keep up appearances" and not let people know Jodha was going to leave? Or did he do that to ensure that Jodha would be given every chance to try and integrate with his set up - a last-ditch attempt to try and keep her in Agra?

With regard to Meena Bazar, I have my own doubt about the FEST being conducted annually. Does it gives us the picture that Jodha - Jalal's wedding anniversary is approaching? Did we not witnessed it immediately after Jala's first meeting with Jodha?.

OK, now coming back to your question about why did he pressurized her to put up a stall in the bazar, it is only bec

Him sharing the news with Ruqaiya will not affect anyone as the news will be kept secret. But if Jodha open's her mouth it will alert hell lot of people and as it was Jodha's idea to keep the Husband & wife's relation as private, he wants her to taste her own medicine. Moreover, he doesn't want any of his Begums to cooment on his ability / disability to keep him new conquered wife with him for long. It will have no impact on him whether Hamida pressurizes Jalal to keep her in Agra palace as in his community, it I the call of the male (Tallaq). More over even for security reasons, it will be better for her to keep it as secrete than put it open.

With regard to Meena Bazar, I have my own doubt about the FEST being conducted annually. Does it gives us the picture that Jodha - Jalal's wedding anniversary is approaching? Did we not witnessed it immediately after Jala's first meeting with Jodha?.

OK, now coming back to your question about why did he pressurized her to put up a stall in the bazar, it is only because he wants to give the message to everyone (who are indirectly questioning him of changing the rules just for Jodha) that she is no separate and will have to comply to the rules. May be in his mind, he must be thinking of humiliating her one last time to cover up his feelings towards her for her commodity on the display. However I have strong feelings that he will end up buying her colours and there by enrage Ruqaiya.

I'm sorry if I am sounding like a conspiracy-theorist but I cannot help getting doubts when things don't quite add up! And I must say, many things in yesterday's epsiode did not quite add up for me, and although there can be a very simple, ordinary reason for all of the things above, my feeling that Jalal may be overtly supporting the Amer return of Jodha while also covertly sabotaging it is gaining ground!

I will however reserve judgement till I see the next few episodes, and meanwhile those who want to throw chappals at me are welcome to do so! I need a new pair anyway!

Accha, while on the subject of "inexplicables" here are two related to the real Maham and the fake Maham that also beg for answers!

a. When Jalal gave his many evidences against the fake Maham, he mentioned talking to an old man about the history of humshakal usage in those days and about an expert on "fabrication of humshakals" who could have worked on the Maham fake also. Yet Maham's whole flashback today was that her humshakal was not a fabricated one but a "naturally occurring" one! I found it a bit strange that Jalal should emphasize fabricated humshakals as one of his specially important parts of investigation, while Maham's story was of a humshakal she had accidentally found among the Banjaras!

b. What a strange thing it was again to hear Maham's story ... the humshakal she found was first used nearly eighteen years ago when Jalal was about four (when the humshakal looked exactly like Maham at that age) ... and yet after 18 years the humshakal today still looks exactly like the present day Maham (even though similar looking people age very differently!)

Only one thing I am certain of is that in the near future we may not have another humshakal of Maham in another of her "chaals" as this humshakal has been decapitated. We have to wait and see if she has an inventorry of more such humshakals or this was the only one!

With your 2 doubts, you have answered your third doubt. So there is one more humshakal loitering in Agra scot-free. May be that humshakal might start its attempt to harm Jodha while she starts her fresh investigation on MA / Adham. May be Adham would have paid for fabrication of the duplicate MA which was revealed during Jalal's investigation.

Here's one more afterthought:

Just remembered the brothers never read out loud the letter from their dad, they all read and nod - so it could be a "come right away without telling jodha"???

What if Jalal had written to Bharmal saying "Jodha is pressurising me that she wants to leave Agra and return to Amer. I need your help. I need you to reply to this paigam saying she cannot come back to Amer as it would be a kalank on the family etc. I also need you to hastily call back your sons from here without Jodha. Between the two of us we need to make sure she stays on in Agra and adjusts here instead of running back home".

Could the letter from Bharmal to the Amer boys be in response to such a paigam from Jalal? And could Bharmal's reply paigam to Jalal say "Jodha is not welcome back etc."

Hmmm!

NO, Jalal would not have written anything about Jodha returning for good in his paigam. He would have just mentioned that due to all this issues connected with MC, she is troubled and disheartened & depressed. She might recover fast from all this if she changes her venue and also with the help of her mother and sisters. So it would be better if you could send some convoy to take Jodha back to Amer for few days.

And for sure, Baramal would not have sent a secret letter to his shildren to abandon Jodha nd rush back to Amer as Jodha wants to come back. NO had it been the case (that Jalal's letter mentioned about their intended separation), baramal would have sent an army to fight Jalal and not a letter to his son's to move back. Had he not made it clear to Jalal that they doesn't hesitate to fight him, had he hurt their respect and honour. A daughter is an honour of parents and if some one try to play with her emotions and life, no parent will accept it silently.

Jaya

Mansi, the last one seems to be more logical. like Jalal might have informed Bharmal abt Jodha's wish to go back to Amer and his wish for her to stay in Agra. and asked for his help by calling back Jodha's brothers without meeting Jodha.

but if we say this is the real thought, what it makes Bharmal? can't he assure Jalal that let Jodha come to Amer and stay for few days and then he and Mainavati will talk to her and send her back to Agra. can he not ever think of his daughter just for once?

@Jaya:

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Mansi, the last one seems to be more logical. like Jalal might have informed Bharmal abt Jodha's wish to go back to Amer and his wish for her to stay in Agra. and asked for his help by calling back Jodha's brothers without meeting Jodha.

but if we say this is the real thought, what it makes Bharmal? can't he assure Jalal that let Jodha come to Amer and stay for few days and then he and Mainavati will talk to her and send her back to Agra. can he not ever think of his daughter just for once?

Originally posted by: skanda12

@Jaya:

I completely see the validity of your arguments. In fact as I have also written myself, there can be perfectly simple, logical explanations for all that Jalal is doing.

But still there is room for an alternative interpretation.

At this stage I am not taking one side or another on this issue. I am just exploring whether there could be another interpretation to Jalal's behaviour and whether there could be the remote possibility that he may have taken Bharmal's help to try and keep Jodha in Agra!

Originally posted by: deejagi

May be true. May be he is still suspecting MA's involvement in MC and roping Jodha as the victim. This is possible if we go by this logic of having 2 humshakal's of MA that is the one who helped MA 18 years back and also now. and the otehr who has been fabricated by the artisan who accepted it with Jalal. May be till the momet Lakky (humshakal of MA) confessed that she has takebn revenge on Jalal for his sainik's involvement in burning her property, he would have realised that any stray person can't get entry to MA's room and that exactly behaves like MA. If her revenge was completed by kiling the unborn, what was the need for her staying in MA's room after that? How come MA didn't recognise the smell of the hukka in her room when she had stopped using it for years? he would have realised that the sword is still hanging on Jodha's head and the moment she leaves Agra (away from Jalal's protection), she might be attacked. So he would have pretended like he had punished the culprit and the issue is closed now. But at the same time, he had decided to go to the rrot of the cause and culprit, that will be possible only if Jodha stays in Agra. And also since he doesn't want to endanger hr life, he is trying all means to keep her captive (thoughin not many words) at Agra (used the similar way where he married Salima Salman to save her & Rahim)

Jaya