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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

I agree with all this, my dear, but today was an anticlimax and the precap came and went pretty much like a kite suspended in mid air. I will try and make something of it elsewhere, but it was very thin pickings.

Shyamala Aunty

Yep it was ...oh well...I am glad she dint say yes...I am glad that there is tsill some way to go before they totally connect till then...this tug of war between them is fun! Is there a difference between Tilak thali and aarti thali!?!!
PS. Thank you for writing back, Aunty ...you take care!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Ohh! Sorry I quoted my own Post!

Originally posted by: ApurvaLovesARVI

Wonderful Right Up Aunty

I am sorry I wanted to comment on your Previous Analysis, The Episode was so Good!! But you know light chali gayi!😕
This Time I have too many Question, I hope you will be able to Answer them.
Before Questions Shower
_Todays's Episode was very GOOD!!
_All the Misunderstandings were cleared, Thank God
_I noticed subtle improvements in AkDha relationship, like the ones who were not able to bear each other's presence were helping and nodding !😉
_Jalal helping Jodha to climg down the podium was tooo too tooo Good!! And the sidelong glances he gave to her there, and the duo didn't flinch at the thought of Vaaris.
_Jodha followed Jalal's retreating form
Now the Awaited Question, Beware!
Q1.Jalal is planning to play a Fake Pregnency Drama, with Jodha's help, We heard Ruquiya was pregnanat! Did Jodha refuse so Jalal went to Ruqs
Q2. If Jodha Agrees how they are gonna pul this off? Jodha will be playing Pregnency Drama but actually she isn't. What will be told to Hmaida after 9 months?
Q3. Will Jodha agree to this and if not What will Jalal do to stop his Ammijaan?
Q4. Why did Jalal stopped Jodha's hand when she was about to sway blessing in his from sacred Aaarti fire?
I hope you are Well!!
And Expexting your Brilliant Answers, This Episode was just fab but gave rise to Questions!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well, Apurva, all your questions but the last were answered in last night's episode, and as for the last., he was not stopping her, he was catching and holding her hand, the consummate flirt that he is!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ApurvaLovesARVI

Ohh! Sorry I quoted my own Post!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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My dear Kashi,

I saw this just now, and my dear, what can I say but that I am deeply touched and flattered?

What you admire and accept in my analyses is really in your mind, except that you have not yet put it down in words. That is why you are so pleased with my posts. I am no oracle of Delphi, but I try to be as objective as possible and not be swayed by likes or dislikes for any character or characters.

It is not so much that I am your heroine, though that is a very sweet thing to say, it is you yourself. You should make sure that it is always so.

Take care, my dear, and do not fret about the idiocies that will undoubtedly surface periodically in JA. I rarely read much in the forum, so I am safe from all this fruitless, but amusing speculations, for which I really do not have enough time.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ginco

Dear Shyamala Aunty,

Today , u reminded me of the hindi guides i used to swear by when i was in 9th grade ... n let me explain ..

Yesterday there was a lot of hush hush going on in the forum about Ruqu preggo news n how is it going to change the story line...Gosh i thought we all had nothing good to do yesterday as the C.V'd are actually n for sure playing with our minds ... They r no fools i must n should acknowledge tht ... so back to the point .. i was all ready n excited to watch the next episode n waiting for ruqu preggo news ... i thought after ruqu asked for baby from Allah ...the next scene might as well be the sure give away of the gud news ... I almost proclaimed to myself tht baby here go ...allah ne aapki sun li hain ... but instead this new twist came up n i was ...shocked i must confess..n really disappointed to know tht jalal would go to such an extend ... all in all confused yet again ... n i chose not to go back to forum right away ...got up today ... saw the episode again n then came back n read your post ... n now the puzzle is opening up for me ...

This experience was like reading a hindi or sanskrit poem n trying to make sense out it ...just words not the whole other meaning or symbolization tht such poems usually have... so your post served as the summary those MBD guided provided me with at those time of need...

"You were n are my heroine " ... n i think this should be enuf for both of us ...

Now as far as the episode goes ...

one good thing which has been appreciated by all is the come back of the ruqaiya ...truly a refreshing change ...I am happy tht Cv's have learnt over time tht we have to deal with her all the time .. n there are already enuf villans for now ...I guess by turning sharif into villian (to be) they have pulled back the strings on ruqaiya for now ...( my take )

The other noteworthy scene was ofcourse Salima's heart - to- heart talk to with Jodha ... it throws a light on lot of circumstances tht we were about to see ... these explanations set a base for jodha to connect emotionally with jalal n to fall into his game ... when later asked to do so...

Plus it also, clears up the ruqlal relationship in front of jodha ...which iam sure the Cv's would use further to change jodha's attitude for Ruqu n eventually ruqu's aggressive advances towards JO... n may be some day they might be cordial to each other it not BF's ...

Thirdly, even i believe tht jalal believes in prophecy and has always taken peer's seriously ... tht is why he was serious then when salim chisti ji announced the heir news ..

Also , now i feel tht jalal did not get much time to think why did Jo wanted to meet him... n was quite amazed when jodha asked for shama ... ( n the way paridhi delivers tht dialogue ..uff she sounds like a koel ...n even when she asks him politely n innocently ...kaise sahayetaah ... The gurl picks up fast ...) . Jalal just took the opening as he wants to be close to her ..he is for sure attracted to her n wants to discover her n the good thing is, he is very open about his outlook for her .. no shield ,no enmity n certainly no thought out plans...he is going with the flow ... tht is why he asked her to pretend...as he has sensed tht his so called Biwi ..has mellowed down a bit n the moment he mentions or asks for physical intimacy .. she would again put her shield up ... OR the other reason could be tht he wants her to be as involved as he is with her for the physical intimacy n after declaring tht he would not touch her , would not want her to compromise for his mother's sake instead enjoy it as n when it happens.

Also very clever of him to give her his kasam ...he has cornered her for their own good ... but the only thing i am worried about is tht .. how is going to put this plan into action ... because as per precap ( though i should not discuss this , hum log already muhn jala chuke hai zee tv wale tweet ko over discuss karke , but can't help it ) hamida has been shown praising the lord about some khuskhabri... so is it tht jalal has already declared tht iam gaonna be a papa(fake papa😉). n with tht LET THE STORY UNFOLD ...

Cheers
Kashi...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Consummate Flirt!!
Hahaha I Like this Term you agve him! He really is a Big Flirt, But Spotted flirting only with Jodha! Just Because he will fall in Love or they are Soulmates? Or He is attracted to her?

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Well, Apurva, all your questions but the last were answered in last night's episode, and as for the last., he was not stopping her, he was catching and holding her hand, the consummate flirt that he is!

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I think it is because she is the only woman he has ever had to court, though that is in the very initial stages as yet. She intrigues and challenges him, plus she is very good at things he values, like fencing and chess. It all adds up.

He is obviously attracted by her beauty, but it is not just that. As I wrote earlier on this thread, there is an unknown attraction on both sides even before they had met. She sees his face in the water constantly, and even with her eyes closed. He is pulled into a dangerous trip to Amer by the desire to see her, a craving he cannot define or understand.

Soulmates, yes, but that will come later.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ApurvaLovesARVI

Consummate Flirt!!
Hahaha I Like this Term you agve him! He really is a Big Flirt, But Spotted flirting only with Jodha! Just Because he will fall in Love or they are Soulmates? Or He is attracted to her?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi, I will post my reply in purple in your post.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

There was a lot of this around last night, was there not? Rather like a giant exhaust fan in operation, sucking up the cobwebs of misunderstanding/ misconception on several issues, of the kind that are the daal roti of TV serials and which festoon every one of them from the beginning to within 3 episodes short of the end. I was quite amazed, and this reinforced my conviction that, the sudden downward plunge in Ruqaiya's character notwithstanding, Ekta's writing team for Jodha Akbar is not from the usual soap factory lot.

I will try and get this off quickly, for mornings are not free time for me, which is probably a blessing for you, my gentle readers (just an old-fashioned phrase; I am sure most of you are not gentle at all!)😉. Let me just list the highlights, and let us dispose of the unpleasant but first.

Chinti ke par nikal aaye: Sharifuddin's natural cunning and instinct of self-preservation kick in instantly, and aided by his foolishly gentle wife (this is the kind that breeds wife-beaters) , he extricates himself from a potentially deadly faux pas. Then he proceeds, in the time honoured manner of old fashioned screen villains, to proclaim (for our benefit), to the accompaniment of a loud stagey guffaw, that he actually has ambitions to rule the Mughal empire.

It seems that no one was listening in, which seems impossible in the Agra palace, but as Sharifuddin's head will be still on his shoulders for a while yet, one presumes that all the chartered eavesdroppers must have had a day off then😉.

If Sharifuddin had had a mother like Mahaam Anga, he would have received 3 ringing slaps, but his mother had probably kicked the bucket soon after finding out that she had produced such an offspring, so he escapes that salutary lesson for excessive ambition. His eventual fate is likely to be the same as the aforesaid chinti.

That Jodha is excellent at spotting what others seek to hide was already evident at the Amer jail, when she recognized Jalal from just a wavy image sighted in the water. Now she proves it again by spotting the dark mark of fingers on Bakshi Banu's cheek, but she also proves her sense of diplomacy by covering up the bruise, and her knowledge of it as well.

It seems like both Adham and Sharifuddin are good fighters but what good is all that if they got no brain.

A gentle mind and a generous heart: That is Salima Begum. She is wonderful in her scene with Jodha, and not just because she clears away so many of Jodhas misunderstandings and fills in so many gaps in her knowledge of the various dramatis personae in her new world: about Rahims real parents, about her own happy life with Bairam Khan, about Jalal and Bairam Khan, about Jalal and Rahim, about Ruqaiya and Jalal, and most important of all for Jodha and Jalal, about what happened to the parents of that little Hindu boy, who were initially sentenced to prison at the Diwan-e-Aam. (The CVs slipped up there; they should have inserted a flashback of Jalal gripping Jodha's arm hard and hissing Adhuri jaankari ek gunaah hoti hai, Jodha!)

The real importance of Salima's role in this segment lies more in the deep and compassionate insights she provides the normally impatient and judgemental Jodha "not just about Jalal's hidden qualities and about the compulsions of imperial rule, but even about Ruqaiya's hidden hurts and what lies beneath her aggressive possessiveness towards Jalal.

The lovely little scene earlier, between Jalal, Ruqaiya, Salima and Rahim, illustrates and emphasizes all that Salima has to say here. It also starts the process of upgrading Ruqaiya (for want of a better term) by making her again more human and more vulnerable, both in her open, unalloyed affection for Rahim and in her desperate longing for a child of her own, and thus less of the plastic harem superintendent she had been presented as for these last few weeks. It was most refreshing, and it made me realise once more how much I was missing the old Ruqaiya.

To revert, when Salima says that what matters is not how long one lives, but how one lives, and with whom, the wisdom of the ages speaks thru her to Jodha.

Jodha herself seems to have arrived at some measure of wisdom and acceptance when she tells Bakshi Banu earlier that time heals all wounds: I wondered then if she was referring to Suryabhan's death. After the conversation with Salima, her mind must more open, and more at rest, than it has ever been since the battle for Amer.

I am glad that CVs are showing more of Salima and that she is playing a bigger part. (Ekta please give her some new clothes) Salima's wisdom and grace is something that was needed in the show with Jodha's fierceness and Ruqs arrogance. The scene between the Jalal, Ruq, Salima, and Rahim, they all looked like a big happy family.

I am glad you brought up Suryabhan. A girl never forgets her first love and Suryabhan was that. I have always felt and wrote about it in my analysis of Jodha, that Jodha in her mind has been comparing Jalal to Suryabhan. Everything Jalal has done, she was probably thinking about what Suryabhan wound have done. With her saying, all wounds heal with time, it seems her wounds are healed. She looks more at peace now. I don't think she has forgotten him though, he is still there in her memories.

The quality of caring: With apologies to Shakespeare. Like Portia's quality of mercy in The Merchant of Venice, the quality of caring in Jodha is also twice blessed: it blesses her that gives and also the one who takes.

Jalal wonders earlier what more there might be for him to discover about Jodha. He gets a large dollop of it here, served up front and centre, with the natural self-assertion of a wife who insists on setting her laggard spouse right where she believes that he has fallen short. A most novel experience for both Jalal and the Shahenshah! But of that a little later.

The earlier part of the scene with Jodha, Hamida Banu and Sheikh Salim Chisti is charming, both in the affectionate respect that marks Jodha's behavior towards her Ammijaan, and in her calm demeanour when she receives the holy mans blessings on her marriage with Jalal. When he prophesies that this will herald a new bright era for the Mughal empire, maybe her thoughts go back to what her mother told her, before the wedding, about bhagya choosing its own yoddha.

Even when the Sheikh goes on to proclaim that this union would soon produce an heir for the empire, she does not flinch. It is worth noting that at this point, Jalal, who is of course constantly stealing sidelong glances at Jodha, does not look either smug or triumphant. On the contrary, he looks very serious and even a tad troubled, as if he were wondering how on earth any such near miracle was to be pulled off when his wife cannot even stand his touch.

The touch part takes a baby step forward when Jodha, after some initial hesitation, lets Jalal help her off the podium. The look he gives her afterwards is neither amused nor one of arrogant self-satisfaction. It is one of pure pleasure and happy possessiveness, and when she looks up and catches it, there is no distaste or pulling back in her eyes. There is something quite different in them, and that relates to Hamida Banu's sudden mannat to walk to Ajmer and back to ensure that the Jalal-Jodha baby does make its appearance as the heir to the Mughal empire.

To go back a bit, when Jodha immediately endorses his protest against this alarming proclamation, Jalal does an imperceptible double take. It was not clear whether it wis because he heard Jodha calling his mother Ammijaan- with all that implies, not just for her relationship with Hamida Banu but also in terms of Jodhas desire to adopt Mughal tehzeeb - or because her ready support for him astonishes him.

Thereafter, once he gives up, one sees Jodha darting some fairly irritated glances at him when they are still seated on the podium. It seems clear that if they had been on even slightly better terms, she would have nudged him sharply and hissed instructions into his ear that he should react more strongly and decisively to halt this dangerous mannat😉.

It is also to be noted that when Jalal, who spends a much longer moment looking down at his wife than taking leave of the rest, finally departs, he nods farewell to Jodha, and her eyes follow his retreating figure - both firsts of their kind!

I have nothing the add because you have said everything.

An aggressive biwi: This is one delightful scene - the Shahenshah being hauled over the coals relentlessly by his hitherto distant wife for having, of all things, failed to prevent his mother from undertaking a hazardous pilgrimage.

When Jodha lands up at Jalal's suite, he must have wondered what was in the offing, though he maintains a poker face. This is accentuated when she begins by apologizing for disturbing him: he was surely wondering Ab isko kya ho gaya hai, ki hamare saath itni tameez se pesh aa rahi hai? 😉

But she is dead set on her worries, and does not bother about his expression or even pause as she launches into her arguments. The beautiful face is creased with genuine fear and concern for her Ammijaan as she ticks Jalal off in no uncertain terms for not having been forceful enough in stopping his mother. He is bemused, and even as he lodges a proforma protest about his being lectured to about how he should handle his mother, one can see that he is both touched and impressed by the quality of caring that is so evident in her.

What follows is, at one level, a triumph of quick thinking by Jalal, who is undoubtedly used to exploiting every opening he can get in battle, and this is, after all, also a battle of a kind. The stroke of pure genius lay, however, in his remembering the way in which Jodha had given a kasam to Motbai in the Diwan-e-Khas, and immediately adapting it to his own benefit! Poor Jodha is boxed in by the kasam on her patidev's head on the one hand, and her fears for the mother-in-law she has come to love on the other. No wonder that, after some anguished attempts to read his eyes, she gives in.

Two caveats here. One, whatever the degree of sudden closeness Jalal and Jodha now set out to exhibit to the rest of their world - and this is undoubtedly going to be manna from Heaven for the legions of Akdha enthusiasts!😉 - they can hardly announce that Jodha is in the family way for at least 6-8 weeks. How do they make sure that Hamida Banu does not set out for Ajmer Sharif by then?

Two, I am a great admirer of Rajat and his mastery of facial nuance. He scores very high grades in that department 99 times out of 100. Yesterday, as he was making an overly eager sales pitch to Jodha about the natak that he was proposing, it was the 100th. His eyes gleamed too much. and the whole expression was too forced. The director should have spotted it and got him to tone it down in a (rare) retake; it would have made that part of the scene a lot better. Paridhi, on the other hand,her anguished eyes, filmed over with unexplained tears, desperately looking into his and searching for reassurance (probably that this would remain a natak), was pitch perfect.

I am also a admirer of Rajat facial expressions, I do agree with you that he kind of overdid it yesterday.

Budding tenderness: Never mind, the precap more than made up for that bit of OTT stuff. Jalal holds Jodha's hand and, as it slips down from his to shield the jyoti from the wind, drops his hand to shield it from the other side, as he regards her with a new, unalloyed tenderness. Her eyes are grave and searching, and one hopes that they both find their answers. For us, much viewing pleasure lies ahead.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Edited by swtngl - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you, Navi. I agree with you fully about Salima.

I found your comments on Jodha and Suryabhan very interesting, and I would agree with you in principle, except that I never thought that Jodha was in love with him. I wrote about that once on Mansi's thread, in response to some criticism of Jodha for not showing more grief at his death. Let me see if I can dig that up; it might interest you even if you do not agree with it.
Yes, here it is, thanks to the Windows retrieval system!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Disappointed by Jodha trauma scene (Page 2)

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Mansi,

I do not think that Jodha has as yet developed any deep and abiding love for anyone, and not at all for Suryabhan. From her side, theirs was a pleasant, conflict-free, passionless and gentle relationship, facing no difficulties, no opposition, no discord of any kind. She liked him a very great deal as he was a familiar entity from her own milieu. He was also reassuring as a potential husband; he fitted in with her requirements under this head, such as bravery, and a readiness to stand up to the Mughals; Plus he was not bad looking, which always helps, and he was head over heels in love with her, which is always a great recommendation to a woman!

All this, even put together, does not add up to love, and definitely not to the deewangee that haunts one's soul night and day. Both Jodha and Jalal are capable of such deewaangee, but neither knows that as yet. There were hints of it earlier, when Jodha is puzzled and disturbed by her inability to forget the face seen in the water, despite her knowing that she is to marry someone else. Of late, she had suppressed it, because of her hatred of the man whose image had obsessed her, and under the overlay of new experiences, in Bhanpur and earlier. But the instinctive attraction is still there, and it will reemerge when the times comes.

When it comes, it will be an all consuming passion that can see nothing and no one else but the beloved.

So, when she now learns of Suryabhan's gruesome end (which, one has to keep in mind, would not be as shocking to a 16th century Rajput princess familiar with deaths in war as it would be to us today; after all she always wanted Jalal's head at her feet, did she not, the bloodthirsty wench?), it is with great shock and sorrow, not an all consuming grief.

She is also a princess, trained from birth to look to her responsibilities first and foremost, and that is what she does yesterday.

I have not been an admirer of hers, and I have always held that her veerangana title was yet to be proven. But yesterday, she was brave, with a kind of cold, calm courage that is more impressive than the adrenaline-fuelled do or die courage in the battlefield.She does not think of herself or what is to happen to her now, she does not weep and lament like her mother. She does what a wise and responsible ruler should do, compromise with the yuddha/raj dharma of a king to fulfil the other royal duty of being a protector of his subjects, whatever the cost to his ego. It is good for her strutting, vainglorious fool of a father that Jodha was there to steady him.

So I was not disappointed with Jodha's reaction to Suryabhan's death; it was not too deep a loss anyway, plus she had other and more important matters to take care of.

Shyamala



Originally posted by: swtngl

Hi, I will post my reply in purple in your post.

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have read what you wrote. I have never seen Jodha and Suryabhan love as a passionate love that Jodha and Jalal will have but it was more like a gentle love. Jodha did love him and had strong feelings for him. Jodha still had his ring that he put on her finger even after he died. From the fact that whenever I saw her right hand with the ring, I can say that she never took it off till her wedding day. I am sure she still has the ring in her box of memories that her mom gave. This ring is going to do what the letter in Jodha Akbar movie did.
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I would grant you all the rest, Navi, for there can be loving, andthere can be being in love. But how would anyone know whose ring it was? A letter is different, it can be read, and it is a very useful thing to plant, when it is not dated.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: swtngl

I have read what you wrote. I have never seen Jodha and Suryabhan love as a passionate love that Jodha and Jalal will have but it was more like a gentle love. Jodha did love him and had strong feelings for him. Jodha still had his ring that he put on her finger even after he died. From the fact that whenever I saw her right hand with the ring, I can say that she never took it off till her wedding day. I am sure she still has the ring in her box of memories that her mom gave. This ring is going to do what the letter in Jodha Akbar movie did.

Navi

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