🌸🌸𝓙𝓱𝓪𝓷𝓪𝓴 Written Update And Episode Discussion thread 83🌸🌸 - Page 70

Originally posted by: ninaMAXWELL08

Lmao it was based on "wuthering heights " .....for the first 50 episodes. Uske bad toh when ML returned it was a typical ekta romantic drama . They even have the happy ending.

Bold - this is too funny.. 50 episodes main kya hi WH ka adaptation bana hoga? Sochkar hi mujhe bahut hassi aa rahi hain. These guys are so crazy 🤪

Originally posted by: sanfan

Yes ITV court main kuch bhi ho sakta hain 😂😂

Bold - yes these guys aren’t even hinting at that and it would seem too good to be true for them to accept it… after that kya hi problem ho? This serial isn’t about kitchen politics so their acceptance is pretty much Happlily ever after 😂😂

Ani babu bechare ko toh yaad bhi nahin hain😂😂 woh din - what a waste?

I don't think Runak ka acceptance means happily ever after.....their personalities traits have an inbuilt tendency for clashes and conflict so it can never be a smooth sailing

That said, makers ka goal is to drag...that is why they are do naav mein savaar....Kashmir shaadi ko itna importance bhi dena hai and phir bolna hai woh annul bhi ho gayi....and this then leaves scope to give people hope for Runak getting remarried - isliye aaj Bipasha se woh dialogue bulvaya

Toh now if they want, they can drag this phase of Arshi se "formal" seperation kaise loge and then Runak getting remarried/getting acceptance for their shaadi

I like your pov & completely agree with each words of yoursAnirudh character jese iss show ka center character ho chuka hai hmare liye anirudh less episode giving me boriyat feelings krushal nailed it every scene every dailouge uske acting se uske emotions ke sath hum khud ko connect kr pate hai...anirudha ka character krushal ke liye hi bna hai Uske alava koi isse acha play kr hi nhi skta tha....sometimes all rest casting actors failed to emotes their expression that time i couldn't feel connected with them & so much ott ....bt krushal is just fabulous actor ekdm softness ke sath hrr scene ko ache se play krna bakhoobi ata hai usse that's why audience get attached into ani's character , runak has amazing chemistry bs leena mata apne trp aunties ko khush krne ke chkkr me actors ki potential waste kr rhe

One bit that was a bit unclear to me in the episode....

Just before Ani tells Jhanak that woh Kashmir waali shaadi humesha se uske liye sacchi thi, there is a brief exchange where Ani asks Jhanak ki tum ro kyun rahi ho? And then he goes, "samajh gaya....mujhe pati samajhne se pehle hi mandir jaake tum..." and Jhanak cuts him off saying, "Woh shaadi nakli thi"

Was Ani talking about when Jhanak was forced to remove her sindoor in the mandir? Since Jhanak cut him off, it's hard to figure out what exactly he was talking about.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I don't think Runak ka acceptance means happily ever after.....their personalities traits have an inbuilt tendency for clashes and conflict so it can never be a smooth sailing

That said, makers ka goal is to drag...that is why they are do naav mein savaar....Kashmir shaadi ko itna importance bhi dena hai and phir bolna hai woh annul bhi ho gayi....and this then leaves scope to give people hope for Runak getting remarried - isliye aaj Bipasha se woh dialogue bulvaya

Toh now if they want, they can drag this phase of Arshi se "formal" seperation kaise loge and then Runak getting remarried/getting acceptance for their shaadi

Hmmm -I get what you are saying..

but for me when I watch a love story… where the love story has a conflict ( which I am drawn to) for me it ends where they accept to live together after resolving the conflict - I presume it is happily ever after

I don’t wish to see it as a story beyond that 😂😂😂

I would assume they fought and resolved all battles 😂😂😂 after that

Originally posted by: sanfan

Hmmm -I get what you are saying..

but for me when I watch a love story… where the love story has a conflict ( which I am drawn to) for me it ends where they accept to live together after resolving the conflict - I presume it is happily ever after

I don’t wish to see it as a story beyond that 😂😂😂

I would assume they fought and resolved all battles 😂😂😂 after that

Yeah unfortunately it doesn't work that way in a daily soap....Happily ever after here only happens in last episode by which time either everyone is dead or the characters are unrecognizable

You cannot run 500 or 1000 episodes on one conflict alone for a love story....Runak ka drama runs on their personality conflicts which run up against the various situations they face....and that I don't think will go away even if they unite after solving current conflicts. They can accept today that they want to live together but some other situation can come up in the future to test their resolve again for various reasons.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

One bit that was a bit unclear to me in the episode....

Just before Ani tells Jhanak that woh Kashmir waali shaadi humesha se uske liye sacchi thi, there is a brief exchange where Ani asks Jhanak ki tum ro kyun rahi ho? And then he goes, "samajh gaya....mujhe pati samajhne se pehle hi mandir jaake tum..." and Jhanak cuts him off saying, "Woh shaadi nakli thi"

Was Ani talking about when Jhanak was forced to remove her sindoor in the mandir? Since Jhanak cut him off, it's hard to figure out what exactly he was talking about.

Yes AY, their exchange of words was not very clear for me personally.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Maine toh future ke CA ke baare mein kuch kaha hi nahin ....maine toh bas Ani ko appreciate kiya for shutting down his parents ki toxicity....his parents ka CA-ing of Jhanak is different from what Ani has said cuz he doesn't come from a place of actually considering her inferior which his family does when they CA her.

Aur aap agar aise in lines ko pakad ke baithoge toh phir toh Jhanak nahin dekh paaoge...lol is show mein CA ko bahut lightly liya jaata hai compared to a regular story.

Main Ani ki general jealousy ki baat kar rahi thi....he doesn't always jump to CA every time he's jealous....Rahul ko lekar shuru shuru mein toh bas generally jealous tha na ki tumhein uske paas jaana hai, meri help kyun chahiye hogi...that kind of jealousy

Baaki toh drama ke liye upar neeche karte rahenge makers, I'm not denying that. But aaj bhi the way Ani talked about AK was not CA....it was just him presuming that she loves some other guy, that's it. Usmein CA nahin ho jaata.

Haan inke Lea normal ha CA 😄ye dinning table par bhi start ho jaatay hain😝

Originally posted by: sanfan

This is an interesting perspective and as a person who has keenly observed Ani’s character traits…. .i feel compelled to respond to this post.

Before responding to your specific points, I wish to detour a bit; so please bear with me…

When a relationship breaks down, it’s said that only the two involved can actually say what went wrong… but here we are privy to what’s happening so we can pass judgment or be fence sitters etc That said, as viewers we may have different ways in which they we see this…

Broadly, the theme being explored in this context by Leena appears to be incompatibility..This has been clear in the narrative for a long time but since Leena has less manoeuvrability to do this within the itv structure she has thrown the curveball of “separation” when there hasn’t even been a real wedding between Arshi and Ani but take this as an euphemism and proceed ahead. It is a recognition of the fact that irrespective of whatever you call the relationship, the fact they were committed to each other in the past and are staled to move on… so what do they do? How do they reconcile the past especially since there is a new budding relationship at stake?

Generally, two people with extremely different temperaments , vastly different disposition often make a go of relationships but usually one trait that helps these relationships along the way is general level of tolerance for differences in the other. I don’t see that in the Ani Arshi relationship. It’s never necessary for two individuals in a relationship to agree on every aspect.. but usually in a healthy relationship, the partner makes his/her displeasure known and the partners together negotiate the tricky situation. Either one accepts the other’s perspective or they both agree to disagree and negotiate the tough time. Failing both, differences continue to persist and deepens.

Ani’s sensitivity towards certain matters was a known thread in this narrative. Right from the first of the Kashmir episodes, Ani’s empathy for the underdog was evident and while he may not have initiated the rebellion of sorts by Jhanak ( orchestrated by Arshi) but he went with the spirit and later the events spiralled out of control.

the decisions he took at that point, he was acting on instinct and his sense of righteousness; to have a partner with whom he could have bounced off would have been great but situationally the chance was missed… from then on he was basically playing catch up or to put it bluntly was looking to balance matters.In fact, he was strongly of the opinion that Arshi would support him even if no one understood him. That mirage shattered soon enough ( probably around the time Jhanak tries to go back to Kashmir ( with Tejas the first time) and from then on…. he kept finding ways in which he could just do things for Jhanak trying to keep it from Arshi so that there is peace. In this narrative, Ani’s attempts to convince Arshi were there and Arshi appeared to have bought it too at certain points but the relentless pressure from her mom played havoc in their relationship and her own self doubt made it futile at other times. They never showed the two sitting down and discussing the matter of Jhanak except as a way to obfuscate on Ani’s end and threatening on Arshi’s end. By this I mean, Ani wasn’t entirely honest with Arshi and Arshi was refusing to treat this as an issue close to Ani’s heart. Thus they never tried to find a solution that keeps both parties happy.. Ani’s trait of finding path of least resistance also played a part in this…The battle of ends vs means while facing a battalion who refused to do even the bare minimum in terms of humanity. On the other hand, Arshi treated this as an ego battle largely and she was shown confused, overbearing, threatening in turns… Who bears more responsibility is something we can have different perspectives on and this is akin to a lot of he said she said etc. Viewers at this stage can take sides on who precipitated the downfall in the relationship etc but the deathknell for the relationship had begun.

At Ani’s end, the more he tried to keep things quiet…the more it got messier and it perhaps didn’t help that Ani was forming a deep association with Jhanak as this happened. His intention to help Jhanak was also getting enmeshed with his heart’s desire deeper and deeper. There is a dialogue between Ani and Jhanak during the Rahul fiasco where Jhanak asks him duniya main kitne log takleef main toh kya sabki madad karenge? Ani simply responds “ Unme se koi Jhanak nahin” Yet, in all this saga, Ani kept trying to reconcile with Arshi too whether by choice or by compulsion.

Coming to Arshi, … The narrative presents to us( me) an Arshi who is like any other person, who is quite proud of her accomplishments, gentle to begin with but clearly with a sense of superiority. Jhanak was a project for her fleetingly. When she took the mantle to help Jhanak, it was largely pity that motivated her.. well nothing wrong in that… a lot of people respond to people in need out of that but such empathy is generally skin deep. Arshi deeply misunderstood Ani’s sense of empathy. Ani never responded to Jhanak out of pity. It was with a deep sense of empathy for her circumstances. It was in this crucial phase where the two partners were deeply divided.
From then on, Arshi started calling the shots on how this help for Jhanak must be directed without realising that for Ani the association was personal. Ani should take responsibility for not conveying his emotions to Arshi honestly and maybe they would have either parted amicably then or fought and resolved… it one way or the other. Ani’s trait of keeping things bottled up definitely led to the crisis but it wasn’t done with the intention to deceive Arshi to begin with. The deception began much later from Ani but by then Arshi was playing a game of her own. there’s a dialogue from Arshi at some stage where she is questioning Ani with a knowing look but acting as if the answer doesn’t bother her. The stakes had got bigger for her and her ego couldn’t settle for losing to a lowly person. These two just weren’t honest to each other in different ways.
Apportioning of blame is an easy matter… it’s the introspection that is difficult. It’s in this place that Leena I think tries to balance the perspectives. There’s a sense of fait accompli in the Ani Arshi relationship where both do not make a genuine attempt to resolve cos perhaps they both don’t want it enough or o want it only one’s own terms. The narrative is clear and I think we must make this distinction that while Ani may owe Arshi something due to his dalliance with Jhanak and keeping Arshi in the dark, the narrative also treats Ani as an individual in a relationship… who has the freedom to make decisions that may or may not be acceptable to the other partner. Ani doesn’t lose autonomy in that and this where the point of incompatibility comes into play.

Obviously this is a fictional story so, there wil be an attempt to shine light on one perspective more than the other but at a broader level, I am reading this simply as an incompatible partnership; the Arshi presented to me was one who felt Ani had no autonomy and things must proceed as per her or her mother’s wish. Yes, there were points where she felt Ani’s betrayal as a slight or pain ( I couldn’t tell) As viewers, we can react to either or both emotions. Personally, I can say, Arshi’s sense of betrayal could have been a powerful tale but only if Arshi did something with that other than threatening Ani.

now coming to your specific point on his rudeness with Arshi… the way I see it… Ani’s love for Jhanak aside… he is expressing that he did not find Arshi by his side in his biggest battle. He may not have chosen the best words to articulate that He may have expectations of her just as Arshi had of him. Ofc he is not completely honest in his perspective about how that came about but can we say that he alone is to blame for the downfall of this relationship? Hypothetically, if Arshi had supported his decision to support Jhanak ( even if it wasn’t whole hearted), Ani may have still fallen in love with Jhanak…. Personally for me, then.. it would have been easier to lay the blame solely at his door… but here the narrative is telling me they both weren’t compatible… they did not make attempt to resuscitate the relationship. Ani has a bigger cross to bear ( due to his traits) and this narrative will make him bear it but Arshi too didn’t invest enough in the relationship to resolve the differences.

Now coming to your charge of Ani making Arshi a cold person, the narrative hasn’t given me sufficient clues to say that.. Here, no one was expecting Arshi to be warm to Jhanak… in any relationship of this kind, three is a crowd so Arshi being nice to Jhanak wasn’t part of the deal but humane definitely was… you decide your level of humanity… that has nothing to do with anyone (Ani and his actions for Jhanak) . Ani’s expectation from Arshi and others was only humanity and they all fell short of it. Ani wasn’t bothered by the reaction of others but yes that of Arshi would have unsettled him. I am not saying that has anything to do with him falling in love with Jhanak… I repeat he did not fall in love with Jhanak due to Arshi’s behaviour… that’s his own doing and nowhere in the narrative is that connected…which is again the beauty of the narrative so far. What Ani owes to Arshi is a heartfelt apology for his emotional infidelity towards Arshi ( physical yes but he was unaware 😂😂) and which is why I say he has a bigger cross to bear than anyone else and this will surely bear out in the narrative… also the place where Jhanak’s love for Ani will be most visible… Arshi taking this insult to a different level ( if Arshi remains relevant in the tale) will be a matter for the lovebirds to negotiate.Ani is not afraid to be accountable for his mistakes and that is a strong ML in my eyes… As for the characterisation of FL… I understand the gymnastics the writers are having to deal with 😂😂😂 so let’s see how it. I do think the arc of Jhanak will also grow substantially given the love and care the writer has shown for Ani in building up his arc… how much of it will meet audience expectations I can’t say…

Sorry for the long post.. wasn’t my intention to make this long detour 😂 but I have a tendency to digress 😂😂😂

Please feel free to pen your thoughts, I have tagged some here… if I miss others don’t hesitate to air your thoughts…

"Personally, I can say, Arshi’s sense of betrayal could have been a powerful tale but only if Arshi did something with that other than threatening Ani"

Completely agree with you in this ..actually in the beginning I was hoping for a good character arc for Arshi, negative or positive, where she will showcase some agency on her life's decisions and the consequent outcomes...but she is reduced to a puppet in the hands of her mother and to some extent, in the hands of Ani...If makers gave her a strong arc it would have been more compelling to watch the show where the point of conflict is actively putting efforts to keep itself relevant and alive and not just dwindling between victimhood and smartness(!!!)..

"Ani has a bigger cross to bear ( due to his traits) and this narrative will make him bear it but Arshi too didn't invest enough in the relationship to resolve the differences "

Arshi from the very beginning is insensitive towards Ani's emotional demands and priorities..Even if we skip J's case, Arshi never seem to be considerate (I am deliberately avoiding the word loving) towards the good Basus who are a big part of Anirudh's life... Eventually Anishit would have broken apart even if J was not in picture..only the timeline would have been different..

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: Bang on! ....Khel gaya humara BHOLA ANI

Adjustment waali baat pe hi full stop lagaa diya so that family can't keep asking him to adjust for the sake of appearances....lol he knows these vampires and their methods well

For his sasu maa he is drama king😂