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Posted: 11 years ago
#21
thanks for sharing this article.
The writer forgot to write about the scripted drama and rigged winners.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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W*F..
You just pointed out that 1 DD-Salman act that i thought was their best act..is totally copied from another show...???

that sucks..

add to this the other dances that WE KNOW are copied ...


that's a real low for Salman as a choreographer..

Just lost respect for him in his own strength..I always said, he is atleast king of contemprory and knows how to set the stage and create a performance...

BUT ALL THIS IS PLAGIARISM...

ANd people have a problem that trained dancers are competing...


Whoever plagiarizes should be disqualified...

Keep your emotions at bay..and look at this objectively...

How the hell can you justify this!!!!!!!!!!!

Appalled at colors but more so on Remo..and most on Salman...TIme nahi hai to don't participate..but THIS!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: styledivaDD


Drashti
1,walz - Contemprorized Waltz..look at the steps again...hardly nuggets of waltz thrown in what is essentially again under the gamut of contemprory ( and not to forget, DD is hardly on her own..doesn't require much effort...)
2.contemporary on wheels - Contemprory
3.argentine tango & contemporary - Watch the steps again, tango is not there..it was out and out contemprory..though they called it tango..
4.acrobatics
5.fleminco - again, lifts...flamenco original steps hardly there
6.acrobatica & contemporary - Contemprory again
7.salsa - I didn't see this so can't comment
8.afro - given as there were some signature moves
9.Jive - didn't see cant say
10 contemporary - contemprory again
11.ariel - we repeat ariel here..which one is ithis? lifts rt?
12.freestyle
13.ballroom - How many times you gonna repeat this?
14.pasodoble Was a joke..again contemprorized..look at what DD actually did in that dance..
15.bollywood
16.bollywood
17.Rumba
18.freestyle
19.hiphop

So there you see...first 7 weeks DD doesn't dance on her..

Then they have done Contemprory, lifts, bollywood...

Salsa, Jive, Rumba ( rumba i don't even recall) - given you the benefit of doubt...BUT did they perform the original dance?- cauz they say they r doing tango but they don't..

AND we forget..romantic contemprory.. 😆😆


What a joke..

( THis is not compared to lauren.. i will point out the loopholes there too..But lying to prove DD is a joke...)




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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very nice article. Yes, there is not enough Indian dance form and who says they can't be made interesting? If someone has understanding enough, he/she can experiment with it to really create magic even with Indian dance forms. Long time ago I saw an Indian kathakali group performed on the songs of BAD and wowed the audience. Not only that the choreographers once gets license of getting inspired, they stop thinking. If they really want to go international and wow why not pick dance forms from other places as well like China, Japan etc? In fact if they pick up dance forms not shown in India they can wow more easily. i can understand the choreographers pressure as well. First they have to think of a concept, then train a non dancer and finally if judges do not encourage them enough for being original that brings down their moral too. Add to that some celebs cannot make even smallest of movements with grace that leaves very little room for experiment. Though I would say that is not an excuse for being repetitive.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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This article is criticising the type of dancing for less originality and for not having enough traditional indian classical styles. The choreographers they spoke to for the article Tushar and Salman gave their views, actually I personally noticed one or two performances that Tushar choreographed were original, so it was good they spoke to him. I like the American and Latin dance forms foxtrot, tango, paso doble etc. But I also enjoyed the Mujra and Bharatanatyam of Mukti's this season and don't understand why they cannot all do the dance because from what I saw of Mukti's performance it's not impossible to learn that performance that she did after a few days.
Another thing they said is that they have 3 days to learn and teach the non-dancers these dances before they perform them on Jhalak. Why is that the case? Surely they can start teaching and learning the dance form from Wednesday until Monday the following week, I know two days during the week they come to the studio Tuesday to record all the performances and the weekend to get the results (elimination recording after votes have been counted) So why are they teaching and learning the dance only after elimination, they should start on the Wednesday before that? why are they waiting?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@hashi i agree she didn't do much indian but u can read what salman has told ,he says doing classical in lauren style offends many & that too indian girl doing the audience asked for classical,did she do that no... she did some blah blah for which judges said wow but then atleast point out her flaws properly to satify pure classical dance which viewers were expecting seeing her dress or change the task for lauren saying classical contemporary. Y said bharatnatyam. Atleast salman accepted that classical dances are harder & it takes time for celebs to learn & he cannot convince people in that many get offended with so many uncalled don'ts happen though it is a fusion . there are hardly lifts hehehe she did lift in the bharathnatyam also :P then i say my dance experience was blind, she did have lifts in all acts atleast two or three ,but salman drashti did mostly western dances & they had three to four lifts which was fine & but lauren's, all her movements were repetitive .though some steps were unique but then as whole made the dance look the same. DD i agree salman didn't make her dance to classical but they did try all different type of latin american dances & he is right with @zephy indian songs & bollywood tadka those dances had different look but the do & don'ts & signature steps are the same that is basic form. no surprise lauren also didn't dance perfectly to broad way jazz with indian song & bollywood tadka . yup Lauren did try I always give for godess dance than what call classical, it was a bklunder either should have given semiclassical fusion or she shd have done some basic with some very much classical touch song.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaushikbasu

Very nice article. Yes, there is not enough Indian dance form and who says they can't be made interesting? If someone has understanding enough, he/she can experiment with it to really create magic even with Indian dance forms. Long time ago I saw an Indian kathakali group performed on the songs of BAD and wowed the audience. Not only that the choreographers once gets license of getting inspired, they stop thinking. If they really want to go international and wow why not pick dance forms from other places as well like China, Japan etc? In fact if they pick up dance forms not shown in India they can wow more easily. i can understand the choreographers pressure as well. First they have to think of a concept, then train a non dancer and finally if judges do not encourage them enough for being original that brings down their moral too. Add to that some celebs cannot make even smallest of movements with grace that leaves very little room for experiment. Though I would say that is not an excuse for being repetitive.


I am slowly slowly (gradually se bhi slow) turning into your fan 😳
Edited by enigmatic_zephy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Apparently all business are driven by consumer choice right?

Is it us..the public.. who is sending out signals that we don't appreciate Indian danceforms or that we are too much in awe of Western forms?

Folk dances are all forgotten...


Just to quote an example not for comparison,

On India's dancing superstar...

there were two grls who made it to top 12..

one who was brilliant in kathak and did BW like no one before I have seen..extremely graceful, b'fule xpressions..

and there was another grl trained in Bharatnatyam..and the way she interpreted BW songs in BN..was mind blowing..sheer pure talent..

and yet..you don't see people voting for such people..

On IGT, or other shows..when folk dances are done they score less...


Q: Is it us the public? or is the judges on these relaity show ( quite a limted set of judges who are not trained in Indian dances barring Vaibhavi i guess) and are comfortable juding western dances..that influences maases and their likings and decisions??

Also, many judges ( as terrence claimed)...want to promote their dance forms through these platforms..( wanted to in the beginning when dance classes were still taking off and were not as popular as they are today)..


Any thoughts?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: styledivaDD

@hashi i agree she didn't do much indian but u can read what salman has told ,he says doing classical in lauren style offends many & that too indian girl doing the audience asked for classical,did she do that no... she did some blah blah for which judges said wow but then atleast point out her flaws properly to satify pure classical dance which viewers were expecting seeing her dress or change the task for lauren saying classical contemporary. Y said bharatnatyam. Atleast salman accepted that classical dances are harder & it takes time for celebs to learn & he cannot convince people in that many get offended with so many uncalled don'ts happen though it is a fusion . there are hardly lifts hehehe she did lift in the bharathnatyam also :P then i say my dance experience was blind, she did have lifts in all acts atleast two or three ,but salman drashti did mostly western dances & they had three to four lifts which was fine & but lauren's, all her movements were repetitive .though some steps were unique but then as whole made the dance look the same. DD i agree salman didn't make her dance to classical but they did try all different type of latin american dances & he is right with @zephy indian songs & bollywood tadka those dances had different look but the do & don'ts & signature steps are the same that is basic form. no surprise lauren also didn't dance perfectly to broad way jazz with indian song & bollywood tadka . yup Lauren did try I always give for godess dance than what call classical, it was a bklunder either should have given semiclassical fusion or she shd have done some basic with some very much classical touch song.


Hei Its really interesting to talk to u ..I seriously mean it .. Dear there are things which we both are seeing in the same way but few I have some other views ..

well Read this statement of salman ;
Salman justified, "If the entire concept of the show is international, why not the dance? We have taken American shows and turned them into the Indian ones. When the whole concept of the show is American, the dances definitely tend to be more inclined towards that culture."
And after that he said if we do pure indian classical ppl wont like it .

Read the red bold one .. he is contradicting his own statement .. if we turned that shows to indians then why not to include indian culture .. what he means is if the concept is american will do american dance forms just the difference is we indian are doing .. .

These are two statements I dislike to hear from indian choreographers .. He doenst have confidance but he goes with the flow .. He will survive but he will never be very successful choreographer if he has this mindset . (At least I feel like that 😃)

And I am not liking to defend lauren here though she is my favorite ..But Since you are comparing lauren I also have to take here here and there in this discussion ..
If you are closely follow latin american dance forms you could see salman and drashti didnt even do a justice to them also .. then why not at least trying indian forms like that . So what Lauren did to Bharatanatyam is just like what salman and Drashti did to Latin american .( Not only them most of the latin american acts were like that ... If they got appreciation why not lauren ..But I have to say that I also didnt like her bharatanatyam act much ..

But see what Tushar tried with Ekta, where ekta didnt do justice to Odissi ..But i am sure all the viewers see the wow factor of that act .. It doesnt need to be perfect ..They just have to keep trying ..taking risks .. Like they are doing with other dance forms ..First of all choreos should need to have an understanding of indian dancing forms .I doubt many have that knowledge ..That is one of the reasons though they have not mentioned her e ...

And about Lauren lifts .. Name one performance which was full of lifts like salman and drashtis and kids .. they must have had few to make the act nicer not to cover her flaws of dancing .. and from start beat to end beat she is dancing ..At least that credit we should give her .. I am not saying she is the ultimate of dancing ..But in this show she was way better than the rest and its not any surprising as she is a recognized international dancer ..

Pls ignore my grammer and spelling mistakes ..


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: enigmatic_zephy

Ques:

Apparently all business are driven by consumer choice right?

Is it us..the public.. who is sending out signals that we don't appreciate Indian danceforms or that we are too much in awe of Western forms?

Folk dances are all forgotten...


Just to quote an example not for comparison,

On India's dancing superstar...

there were two grls who made it to top 12..

one who was brilliant in kathak and did BW like no one before I have seen..extremely graceful, b'fule xpressions..

and there was another grl trained in Bharatnatyam..and the way she interpreted BW songs in BN..was mind blowing..sheer pure talent..

and yet..you don't see people voting for such people..

On IGT, or other shows..when folk dances are done they score less...


Q: Is it us the public? or is the judges on these relaity show ( quite a limted set of judges who are not trained in Indian dances barring Vaibhavi i guess) and are comfortable juding western dances..that influences maases and their likings and decisions??

Also, many judges ( as terrence claimed)...want to promote their dance forms through these platforms..( wanted to in the beginning when dance classes were still taking off and were not as popular as they are today)..


Any thoughts?


Well Zaphy . I also watched IDS .. And yes once for a change one of the girls was in top 3 😆😆 but next week she was in bottom 2 and week after she got eliminated (who did malkam)

Public is also one main culprit .. Its just like Bollywood movies ..some ordinary masala movies rule boxoffice where some really good movies can barely survive 5 - 10 days ..

But I say the main culprit is Channel and show producers and so judges too .. Because Chanel has the total control over the show(thats really sad) .. and see the amount of promotion and air time MJ5 got (with that joke sessions and all )which that girls hardly got ...IF they havee given importance(Promotion and some air time with drama) to them also they could have survive at least till top 5 (at least one of them) And on top of that Judges also give extra importance to the ppl chanel also promoting .. so these ppl are becoming more famous within the public also ..

I hope you watched just dance ..there that male Kathak dancer(Karan from UK) got enough publicity and he used to be very famous ..But he was eliminated ( I cant remember the exact reasons ) I think channel and production house along with judges can control the favorites of the show .. If they want they can promote ppl who does classical dancing too .. but for that the individual should posses that drama quotient which is demanded by the channel for TRP ( they should be TRP material to survive )

hell did i talk nonsense 😆😆

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