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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shelly1026


I think that everyone on this show has been butchering dance forms. The Pasa Doble that some contestants present, the Salsa that some contestants try to show - none of those dance forms are proper. And PD, Salsa, etc. are dances we are exposed to; at least, these contestants (except maybe Shaan) are exposed and have previously done these dance styles..- in clubs, in movies/TV shows, in shows, etc.

Bharatnatyam is something that Lauren has never done. She was basically challenged by the public so she gave it her best and presented a dance style that the Indian public wanted her to do. (Even people around me who were watching Jhalak commented that why are they making only Lauren do an Indian style when the others aren't doing it?). Her efforts should be appreciated as she has demonstrated that she can do any dance style - and is the best dancer on jhalak.

The dance was amazing!!! The postures she held were beautiful and the expressions were bang-on. I agree that the softness usually seen in Indian dance forms wasn't there but like commented on, this is something we can't expect her to understand (as she doesn't put on a maang teeka or make a chooti), this not being her life-style.

IMO, the act was very entertaining and the scores were fair as Remo and Madhuri scored on the technique and KJo scored on the overall effect.

Shelly

grt shely dat u r suporting lauren
bt remember in tymes of karanvir,dd and everyone even shann wen he did malakhamb
appreciation was dere bt not going ga ga wat karan did in some major wrong dance steps
if birju maharaj was over dere he wud have been shocked by th fastness of the dance,stiffness and lifts
it was entertaing
bt if the jugdes are dere 2 c the dance acts den its wrong
wen dd was given 24 i agree 2 dat bcoz it was below average
laurens bharat natyma was average

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Posted: 12 years ago
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there is a difference between indian dance forms and indian classical dance forms..
basics of dances like bhangra, lavni, dandia or garba can be learnt in a week...
but dances like bharatnatyam, kuchipudi are on different level. there are to be learnt from scratch. for every mudra has a story to tell... so just for that i must say lauren did a remarkable job..

TM..
it wasn't pathetic but pretty close to bhartanatyam. not perfect yes. pathetic no. i belong to common man (or womanif you please) category and i thought it looked close to bharatnatyam😊

lifts... well lifts are incorporated in practically all dance forms by everyone, whether needed or not. if others are getting away with it. why shouldn't lauren get a leeway from max 2-3 lifts in the entire act..

finally... western dances... if body is flexible and can move to rhythm.. many can learn western dance form pretty soon (except pointing toes and other fine techniques).. except ballet.. i am sure if other contestants (not lauren or maybe mukti) does a ballet tomorrow judges will give the same comments.

edit: Typo.

edit: shelly.. loved your post😳




Edited by .nimmi. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: prodipto18

grt shely dat u r suporting lauren
bt remember in tymes of karanvir,dd and everyone even shann wen he did malakhamb
appreciation was dere bt not going ga ga wat karan did in some major wrong dance steps
if birju maharaj was over dere he wud have been shocked by th fastness of the dance,stiffness and lifts
it was entertaing
bt if the jugdes are dere 2 c the dance acts den its wrong
wen dd was given 24 i agree 2 dat bcoz it was below average
laurens bharat natyma was average


sorry for barging in😊..

shaan's malkamb had obvious flaws with him being unable to complete few steps. i thought he is going to fall down in some places. he was tensed so was i (as a viewer)..
Birju maharaj... err... he is guru of kathak... not bharatnatyam..
fastness/lifts/remix... it was incorporating something new in traditional dance form and i for one think it was cool.
other contestants too mixed and diluted lot many dance forms.. flamenco being prime example..
no comments about DD... but bharatanatyam by lauren was pretty entertaining and unique in sense.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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a topic was made about unfair judgements now some judging drashti dances and others lauren.
honestly i didn't find the dance that interesting and it was not worth 9,she is a good dancer but that doesn't mean she excel everywhere..it was not a good bharatnathyam.
other contestants also tried their hands in new dance forms so why don't they get extra points for new dance forms pathetic judgements...these judges can sleep where lauren is concern n give a 10 as soon as they wake up..they are making public disliking her
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: prodipto18

grt shely dat u r suporting lauren
bt remember in tymes of karanvir,dd and everyone even shann wen he did malakhamb
appreciation was dere bt not going ga ga wat karan did in some major wrong dance steps
if birju maharaj was over dere he wud have been shocked by th fastness of the dance,stiffness and lifts
it was entertaing
bt if the jugdes are dere 2 c the dance acts den its wrong
wen dd was given 24 i agree 2 dat bcoz it was below average
laurens bharat natyma was average



I was the first one to appreciate Shaan for his Malakhamb act (and his attempt at Aerial). However, you have to agree that there was a vast difference between Shaan's attempt and Lauren's attempt. Apart from not having the softness that Indian traditional dancers have, her postures were correct. If I remember correctly, Shaan had a few slip-ups. I don't remember which dance forms you are referring to in terms of DD but for KVB, the Indian dance form he did as a girl was also good but had flaws noticeable to the lay eye.

In Lauren's case, a lay person cannot point out any "flaws". Any "flaws" can be attributed to the one who taught her the moves but not to Lauren as she held on to every position way until the end.

I think that Lauren is an amazing dancer and if we even take that away from her, that would be completely unfair. I honestly thought one judge's comments were unfair as they did not encourage her for doing this most difficult form of dance for the first time. Like Nimmi said and like I said in another post, it's like having an Indian trained dancer do Ballet.

PS - Nimmi, we think alike! I brought up ballet in another post too! Lovely posts! 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Awesome post nimmi and shelly. WORD!!! you guys have said it all, I have nothing to add in this 😆 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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just bcoz ur so call celeb doing not good dance ..

Unfair Judging 🤣

rubbish post 👎🏼
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: march2011

a topic was made about unfair judgements now some judging drashti dances and others lauren.

honestly i didn't find the dance that interesting and it was not worth 9,she is a good dancer but that doesn't mean she excel everywhere..it was not a good bharatnathyam.
other contestants also tried their hands in new dance forms so why don't they get extra points for new dance forms pathetic judgements...these judges can sleep where lauren is concern n give a 10 as soon as they wake up..they are making public disliking her

Thank you so much for giving a sensible comment. This forum had become a war zone, people are blindly following their favourite contestants and they can't see the fair/unfair thing that is actually happening.
I loved many of lauren's performances like the charlie chaplin act. donno why that didnt get 30 yet ... the act of shama and parwana...
But offlate the performance are degraded and whom to blame? The judges who is making unnecessary hypes.
And its not about lauren did bad, its about how the judges are unfair and this is making other contestant's fans hate her. Thats it...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shelly1026



I was the first one to appreciate Shaan for his Malakhamb act (and his attempt at Aerial). However, you have to agree that there was a vast difference between Shaan's attempt and Lauren's attempt. Apart from not having the softness that Indian traditional dancers have, her postures were correct. If I remember correctly, Shaan had a few slip-ups. I don't remember which dance forms you are referring to in terms of DD but for KVB, the Indian dance form he did as a girl was also good but had flaws noticeable to the lay eye.

In Lauren's case, a lay person cannot point out any "flaws". Any "flaws" can be attributed to the one who taught her the moves but not to Lauren as she held on to every position way until the end.

I think that Lauren is an amazing dancer and if we even take that away from her, that would be completely unfair. I honestly thought one judge's comments were unfair as they did not encourage her for doing this most difficult form of dance for the first time. Like Nimmi said and like I said in another post, it's like having an Indian trained dancer do Ballet.

PS - Nimmi, we think alike! I brought up ballet in another post too! Lovely posts! 😊


totally agree shelly..
me too appreciates shaan for doing something new instead of sticking to a safe zone. better try something new and fail rather than doing same thing again and again. that's why i do respect KVB for he did attempt many genres. he wasn't quite successful in some.. but hey he tried man. if lauren did a comtemporary she also pulled off am amazing semi classical.

and hey... we do think alike. great minds😆.. where is that post of yours? would love to read it.




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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: KrishnaKalpana

Thank you so much for giving a sensible comment. This forum had become a war zone, people are blindly following their favourite contestants and they can't see the fair/unfair thing that is actually happening.

I loved many of lauren's performances like the charlie chaplin act. donno why that didnt get 30 yet ... the act of shama and parwana...
But offlate the performance are degraded and whom to blame? The judges who is making unnecessary hypes.
And its not about lauren did bad, its about how the judges are unfair and this is making other contestant's fans hate her. Thats it...


i guess i am quoting out of order.. but if this post is not about how lauren did bad... the words like pathetic and other quotes wouldn't have been used😊..
it is ok to not like a performance. but trashing it outright. and when some people put forward their views that the performance deserved the marks that it got.. terming them as blind fans and unable to see fair/unfair thing is not ok me thinks.

judges were always unfair. (depending on which contestant you are rooting for). i for one think they (especially madhuri) are being unfair towards sumant. they treat him as if he doesn't exist when he is the better dancer.
strictly my POV.

edit: about other contestants fan hating lauren.. well she was hated from day one. ST took a little heat off. but now that lauren is getting consistent good marks... the hate is outpouring in massive quantities.😊..




Edited by .nimmi. - 12 years ago

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