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Sonakshi

@EatPrayLove

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Posted: 14 years ago

#11

I too feel that as of now there's ABSOLUTELY no cause to blame the channel for rigging.

Krushna dances well, but the choreographer isn't that impressive. That's his bad luck and that's what played against him in the end. Plus I don't really think he was popular enough to get through on the basis of votes alone, he NEEDED the marks. This is a competition. And in competitions second chances are rare. They were at the bottom this week, and they were voted out, what could be fairer?!

Furthermore, personally I hold the same opinion of Krushna as does Dabulls23. I thought his Lavni was ridiculously comic, which was definitely not what it should have been.

As for Ankita coming in the bottom is concerned, it's shocking but not SO shocking that we start imagining things. I think Sushant and Ankita have a common, and largely female fan base, which most probably votes for Sushant. I think their votes are getting divided. But this is just a one time thing, I'm quite certain Ankita will survive these occasional scares.

@nikitagmc: Shekhar obviously has the whole of Bihar voting for him. Plus sometimes it's not just about the fans. It's also about the contacts. Maybe Shekhar, being quite a senior in the telly and bollywood industry is getting a lot of support, which often translates into votes, from his contact base! So it IS quite possible that he got greater number of votes than Ankita!

Now coming to the allotment of choreographers, I think it's sheer luck. A bad dancer may get an excellent choreo (eg Akhil and Sneha), and it's unfair to the latter but it can't be helped. Similarly the vice versa might happen (eg Ragini), and again it can't be helped. Whats so unfair :-S

Not really "fair" to point fingers whimsically, without any evidence.
No offense.

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Anjali

@blyton

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Posted: 14 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: nikitagmc
Am I the only one here who thinks that as of now, nothing is suggestive of rigging?

@blyton: I agree that the vote pattern is confusing. I honestly had not expected Ragini, Mahi or Anki to come in the last three- once or twice its okay, but after that their fans would be bucking up. By this equation, Anki should be safe next week.

But overall, its difficult to predict who will be out, cos there are a lot of factors involved- and no one knows to what extent.

There's something my Mom told me- and I think you would agree too- regionalism and gender have a great influence in voting. With the Bihari thing Shekhar has been using in his dances, and the 'proud Bihari' speech he gave on the folk dance special episode, he may have the whole of Bihar voting for him. (I'm not saying it was intentional on his part, but somewhere maybe it went in his favour) We usually don't notice this aspect unless it gets very apparent in the final stages of the competition.

Add to that the entertainment value- shekhar, Krushna are the entertaining ones on JDJ. People might like to see them.

About gender::: A large majority of the voters consist of girls-- and they vote for guys usually. This has been observed in many reality shows- even the contestants voice this bitter fact---you will seldom see girls winning. I think Varsha Di can vouch for that. Girls will vote for the guys like crazy, but send only one vote to a deserving girl contestant.

Popularity is an important factor of course, but it doesn't prove much useful in the long run. A combination of both popularity and good dancing helps in winning, that is why neither KSG (popular) nor excellent dancers(Gauhar, HArd Kaur) won JDJ, JDJ has always been won by those who were good dancers (not necessarily the best) and popular as well (Mona singh, Prachi Desai, Baichung Bhutia)

Hence I would say- popularity and good dancing are the most important aspects in the initial stages, with entertainment value, gender and region holding significant places with permutation and combinations thrown in. The last three reasons become very important in the final stages of the competition, when fans start voting like crazy. Apart from that good looks, cuteness, age factor etc are other smaller factors that matter.

I would like to end my thesis 😆 with a statement:

It was on the basis of these factors that I had concluded that Anushka would be the first person to be shown the door, and considering all the above factors I again say- Sushant has a VERY HIGH CHANCE of winning JDJ, irrespective of whether the show is rigged or not.

Touchwood to that.

And I won't be disappointed on that at all-- it would be a very well deserved victory- he is a very good dancer, works SO HARD, has brought in brainstorming concepts, Shampa is a terrific choreo, he has the X-factor and great entertainment value too.

And all this comes straight from the heart of an UNBIASED fan.😃

I must hand it to you for analysing each and every aspect in such a calm and reasonable manner.👏👏👏 Totally agree with the part in bold. I had forgotten about that. The regional bias thing was apparent in seasons 2 and 3 of Indian idol, and to some extent in Baichung's victory also.Also agree with gender bias....I had said something like this on the Bollywood forum.

What I do disagree with is that Sushant is the MOST deserving. For me, JDJ is about raw dancers transforming into polished ones.....so Mona, Prachi (although I wanted Sandhya to win) and Baichung were deserving ones for me. Sushant, I gather, is already trained. That does not take away his hard work and the creativity he brings to his dances....but he already has an advantage over the likes of Ragini or Chang, who may have a natural ABILITY but no knowledge of TECHNIQUE. But taking the factors you have discussed into account, it will most probably be him who walks away with the prize.

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510506

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Posted: 14 years ago

#13

I shocked..wat the hell had hapnd?????????????

plsss JDJ and co..dont script this show..krushna is a very good dancer..we dont want to lose such dancers in this type of dance shows....

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Nikita Lakhe

@nikitagmc

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Posted: 14 years ago

#14

@blyton: Frankly speaking, much as I love your posts, I'm really TIRED of defending Sushant now, cos everyone brings in the 'trained dancer issue' in every thread. Please read my reply in the other thread 'Isn't Sushant a dancer' and consider it. It is also an analytical opinion with JUSTIFICATIONS and FACTS presented the way they are- NO ADULTERATION at all. If you liked my post above, then maybe you would like that one to.

Edited by nikitagmc - 14 years ago

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Nikita Lakhe

@nikitagmc

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Posted: 14 years ago

#15

@blyton:

Would like to add that my intention in the above post was not to be rude or dismissive in any way-- just wanted to point out that I have written my views on the 'trained dancer' issue in another thread, and do not want to repeat them here- since the original point of discussion in this particular thread is something different.

If you found my comment rude in any manner, then I'm sorry.

Thank you for appreciating my analysis on the voting pattern. I am glad you liked it.

@EatPrayLove: Agree with you that as of now there is no reason to point fingers. Its sheer luck that some contestants got choreos with whom they clicked, some did not. Ultimately it is all a matter of how efficiently the choreo uses up the talent of the contestant- and not just dancing talent, but talent in any form.

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

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Posted: 14 years ago

#16

Couple of things

In the original show format licensed by BBC the celebrities in the bottom three are not necessarily the actual bottom three. It is usually the actual eliminated contestant plus one or two random red herrings. The format does this intentionally for shock value and buzz. Strictly come dancing and DWTS USA follow this. It could be possible India does this too. That means that Ankita and Ragini are not necessarily in the bottom three, but the show has scripted them to be there along with the actual eliminated contestant.

Krushna did get the lowest score that week and he is not as popular general audience wise. Comedy Circus is not that huge of a show to garner mass appeal. Shekhar also could be garnering a certain proportion of regional votes. Also if the licensed format is follows than Shekhar could have been safe by the breadth of a hair, but the show did not put him in the bottom three as it has no shock value.

This format also creates shock value when someone never in bottom three gets eliminated, when the reality is that they could have second from last week after week. It is also used by channels to ensure their finales and semis have the high value celebrities. They will put really popular contestants in the bottom three even when they are not so that their fan bases vote more to save them. Repeatedly doing this creates a huge vote cushion buffer. That way there is so much vote padding by fans that the risk of that person getting eliminated is less. They sometimes do it to try and get a high drama or shock value contestant in top. They will also declare a contestant they want to get rid of safe first even if they were on the lower spectrum so that their fans get confident and don't vote as much. Then all of a sudden poof.

Legally they are to ensure that votes are counted fairly and the right contestant in eliminated. The rigging usually is scripted manipulation based on studied consumer behavior. Maybe questionable, maybe unethical, but not illegal or cheating.

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Ajnabee

@*Woh Ajnabee*

Stunner

Posted: 14 years ago

#17

Krushna's performance was the worst last week and so he's out. It was a pretty awful performance, so I'm not exactly sure why everyone is complaining so much. Krushna may have had potential, but his choreographer certainly does not. Shekhar's performance wasn't all that great last week, but it was slightly better than Krushna's. End of story. Who cares about voting patterns?

Also, Krushna is eliminated this week than hopefully Shekhar the following week ... the order isn't something I really care much for. I do hope that they give Krushna a new choreographer for the wild card round. Robin is not cut out for this show!

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Anjali

@blyton

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Posted: 14 years ago

#18

Would like to clarify that I am not at ALL offended by the views expressed here.....on the contrary, I am impressed by the level of awareness and analysis possessed by some members....@nikitagmc and @return_to_hades particularly. 😊 By the way, where were you people last season where a certain soap actor and his fangirl legion were bashing the channel right and left?😉

Like I said, I do believe Krushna could have been out, but the bottom 3 thing was really bothering me. I would actually hate it if JDJ was manipulated, it's my favourite dance show and I have been hooked to it from season 1. I am usually the one to defend it against allegations of rigging so this time I was like an over-protective mother scolding her cheeky child before someone else ticked him off! 😊

If it is like return_to_hades pointed out, I would still consider it unethical to play with the viewers' emotions in such a way. Perhaps a better, more credible system would be to have CUMULATIVE votes and marks from the first episode. This would reward the ones who perform consistently well as well as ensure that a good dancer does not have to leave for one bad performance.

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Nikita Lakhe

@nikitagmc

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Posted: 14 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: blyton
Would like to clarify that I am not at ALL offended by the views expressed here.....on the contrary, I am impressed by the level of awareness and analysis possessed by some members....@nikitagmc and @return_to_hades particularly. 😊 By the way, where were you people last season where a certain soap actor and his fangirl legion were bashing the channel right and left?😉
Thankyou for your sweet words.😊 Actually I live in a hostel and study in a medical college😊- was busy with many things at that time, plus I had limited internet connection at that time- so watched the show on and off. Now I have a jhakaas connection that allows me to download videos and keep up with the show properly. 😃
I wish I could have been there at that time. I was rooting for Baichung the cute footballer and would have defended the channel and all against him. I missed all the action.

Like I said, I do believe Krushna could have been out, but the bottom 3 thing was really bothering me. I would actually hate it if JDJ was manipulated, it's my favourite dance show and I have been hooked to it from season 1. I am usually the one to defend it against allegations of rigging so this time I was like an over-protective mother scolding her cheeky child before someone else ticked him off! 😊Aww... how cute is that!😳

If it is like return_to_hades pointed out, I would still consider it unethical to play with the viewers' emotions in such a way. Perhaps a better, more credible system would be to have CUMULATIVE votes and marks from the first episode. This would reward the ones who perform consistently well as well as ensure that a good dancer does not have to leave for one bad performance.Hmm.. has both merits and demerits. Certainly worth a thought though.

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Sheema

@infinity00

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Posted: 14 years ago

#20

I must say I loved reading every bodys, analysis. I have never followed any dance competition based on voting system as it has got so many lope holes it, biased towards gender, regionalism, sast , creed, colour,whatever all over the world. With the celeberity its the vote bank, and somebody rightly menyioned GIRLS and vote, girls tend to be more loyal fans to the male celeberaty then boys as they are usually lazy!!! or dont take things seriously but for girls its a matter of life and death. Even not being fan of Sushant for no obvious reason I see him winning with out any sweat or if a miracle woud happen then Yana BUT only because of SALMAn. I am a Ragini Khanna fan , although voting for her but know very well that few more episodes may be then she is out if not sooner. Shekar would stay for longer though for some STRANGE reasons.
But yeah good discussion guys and discussion is very civilised too, no bashing which is very positive

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