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Posted: 16 years ago
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Saroj ji, Vaibhabi nor Juhi are bad judges in my opinion. You want to know who are bad judges? And I do not mean any ( any any any offense) Feel free to refute my points, I dislike empty talks.

Bad judges I have seen on TV
Himesh Reshamiya -- My god!! what a character. He just wanted to scream. On last srgmp given Vaishali was a talented singer he felt it was necessary to show off her good character. And got outraged when Adesh said she is talented, let them vote on her talent, why bring up her personality talk. I didn't see Adesh flaunt what a good son Soumen was. He was also very biased.
Abhijeet-- wow! I can't believe zee is bringing him back again. He babied Sanchita. He was clearly biased in ESBE. Even when she did something normal he would sing praises. He was also rude to Rajishree and Amit. Saroj, Juhi and Vaibhabi answered the hosts honestly when they were asked if Karan deserved to be in the finals. What would you want them to do lie? At least I don't I am sorry. I believe one should go by merit and he shouldn't come to the competition to hear false praises. On the other hand Abhijeet pointed at rajishree saying she should be out. Then not wanting to judge Musharraf because he doesn't want paki singers in India was highly unprofessional
Ahmed-- gave Amit Paul a 1!! a 1??? Indian idol runner up who almost became the winner really deserved a one?? even if I sang I believe I would get more than a one. (I suck) Because he felt his points really didn't matter. At least saroj ji and Vaibhabi didn't do that..
I do ask..when such people exsist how can JDJ3 have the worst judges as people claim.
I do think Juhi was stingy with her marks. But what is wrong with that? It is her opinion. She was brought in to look at the overall performance. Now if the whole performance doesn't look nice to her, she has every right to give the contestant low marks. I always found her honest. She was very polite, and because of that she said lots of nice thing a lot of times. You could tell when she loved a performance, she would give a bouqet of marks.
I don't think it was necessary for the judges to be rude, but I do think they have the right to go ona strike or seriously disagree if they feel something was wrong. I have said this before and I say it again. It is not because their favorite went out. It's because the A+ student had to leave while F student was still there.
At the end they urged people to vote for gauhar not as like hello don't vote for anyone but Gauhar. It was like "this girl has talent, it's time you vote on merit". It was a plea to do the right thing.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Perfangel5655

Saroj ji, Vaibhabi noe Juhi are bad judges in my opinion. You want to who are bad judges? And I do not mean any ( any any any offense) Feel free to refute my points, I dislike empty talks.

Bad judges I have seen on TV
Himesh Reshamiya -- My god!! what a character. He just wanted to scream. On last srgmp given Vaishali was a talented singer he felt it was necessary to show off her good character. And got outraged when Adesh said she is talented, let them vote on her talent, why bring up her personality talk. I didn't see Adesh flaunt what a good son Soumen was. He was also very biased.
Abhijeet-- wow! I can't believe zee is bringing him back again. He babied Sanchita. He was clearly biased in ESBE. Even when she did something normal he would sing praises. He was also rude to Rajishree and Amit. Saroj, Juhi and Vaibhabi answered the hosts honestly when they were asked if Karan deserved to be in the finals. What would you want them to do lie? At least I don't I am sorry. I believe one should go by merit and he shouldn't come to the competition to hear false praises. On the other hand Abhijeet pointed at rajishree saying she should be out. Then not wanting to judge Musharraf because he doesn't want paki singers in India was highly unprofessional
Ahmed-- gave Amit Paul a 1!! a 1??? Indian idol runner up who almost became the winner really deserved a one?? even if I sang I believe I would get more than a one. (I suck) Because he felt his points really didn't matter. At least saroj ji and Vaibhabi didn't do that..
I do think Juhi was stingy with her marks. But what is wrong with that? It is her opinion. She was brought in to look at the overall performance. Now if the whole performance doesn't look nice to her, she has every right to give the contestant low marks. I always found her honest. She was very polite, and because of that she said lots of nice thing a lot of times. You could tell when she loved a performance, she would give a bouqet of marks.
I don't think it was necessary for the judges to be rude, but I do think they have the right to go ona strike or seriously disagree if they feel something was wrong. I have said this before and I say it again. It is not because their favorite went out. It's because the A+ student had to leave while F student was still there.
At the end they urged people to vote for gauhar not as like hello don't vote for anyone but Gauhar. It was like "this girl has talent, it's time you vote on merit". It was a plea to do the right thing.

I absolutely agree to what you said dear..Hope more people read your post!😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Agree to some extent...😊
i don't know about other people, but my issues have been more with their inconsistency, than them being "bad" judges...they're honest, and i appreciate that...but honesty is not the only characteristic that makes you a good judge, does it? Juhi's always been very polite, and although i did wish she would give out the reason for chopping off marks at times when she did not, i'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, that she may not have found the performance appealing as a whole package...Vaibhavi, i think, has been the most fair and consistent judge this season...as for Saroj ji, well, i wish she were a little more sensitive at times, that along with being contenders, these are also human beings she's talking to or talking about, and deserve some amount of respect...and a little more consistent too...just my opinion, you may not agree with it...😊
i certainly respect the fact that they rate talent very high, and stand by it when need arises...that is ideally what should indeed be done...although i do wish it were done with a little more amount of grace...
what i find a little odd is how they often rate that degree of talent at the same level as a certain degree of improvement...i cannot digest the fact that Baichung and Gauhar, for instance, were rated the same in the Pre-Finale, especially after Gauhar's Jiya Jale performance...😳 but they seem to have separate criteria for judging both the respective contenders...while in isolation, each criteria is fair, Baichung had improved phenomenally, and Gauhar is a brilliant dancer, but what they fail to realise is that at the end of the day, the two will be rated on the same plane, and there, that tie could make or break victory for either one of them...is keeping that in mind not a part of good wholesome judging?
oh, and i have absolutely no issues with them asking people to vote for Gauhar...i don't see why that turned into suc a huge issue...they encouraged people to vote for her, not discouraged people to vote for the others, and i see nothing wrong with that...
just my opinion, no offense meant...i really respect all three of them for being who they are and what they are today...and i would not go so far as to term them "bad" judges...but i do have my disagreements...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: nandinidev

Agree to some extent...😊

i don't know about other people, but my issues have been more with their inconsistency, than them being "bad" judges...they're honest, and i appreciate that...but honesty is not the only characteristic that makes you a good judge, does it? Juhi's always been very polite, and although i did wish she would give out the reason for chopping off marks at times when she did not, i'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, that she may not have found the performance appealing as a whole package...Vaibhavi, i think, has been the most fair and consistent judge this season...as for Saroj ji, well, i wish she were a little more sensitive at times, that along with being contenders, these are also human beings she's talking to or talking about, and deserve some amount of respect...and a little more consistent too...just my opinion, you may not agree with it...😊
i certainly respect the fact that they rate talent very high, and stand by it when need arises...that is ideally what should indeed be done...although i do wish it were done with a little more amount of grace...
what i find a little odd is how they often rate that degree of talent at the same level as a certain degree of improvement...i cannot digest the fact that Baichung and Gauhar, for instance, were rated the same in the Pre-Finale, especially after Gauhar's Jiya Jale performance...😳 but they seem to have separate criteria for judging both the respective contenders...while in isolation, each criteria is fair, Baichung had improved phenomenally, and Gauhar is a brilliant dancer, but what they fail to realise is that at the end of the day, the two will be rated on the same plane, and there, that tie could make or break victory for either one of them...is keeping that in mind not a part of good wholesome judging?
oh, and i have absolutely no issues with them asking people to vote for Gauhar...i don't see why that turned into suc a huge issue...they encouraged people to vote for her, not discouraged people to vote for the others, and i see nothing wrong with that...
just my opinion, no offense meant...i really respect all three of them for being who they are and what they are today...and i would not go so far as to term them "bad" judges...but i do have my disagreements...



I completely agree with your balanced views.👏👏 And while on the topic of bad judge, if you really want to see BAD judges, watch season 1 if JDJ. Farah, SLB and Shilpa gave the highest marks to Manjrekar even when he simply walked around the stage, simply because he was a fellow Bollywood director.😡
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Perfangel5655 U r such a star yaar... I completely agree with you, thanks for bringing this post by the end.... Nice Post.. 5 on 5
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: nandinidev

Agree to some extent...😊

i don't know about other people, but my issues have been more with their inconsistency, than them being "bad" judges...they're honest, and i appreciate that...but honesty is not the only characteristic that makes you a good judge, does it? Juhi's always been very polite, and although i did wish she would give out the reason for chopping off marks at times when she did not, i'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, that she may not have found the performance appealing as a whole package...Vaibhavi, i think, has been the most fair and consistent judge this season...as for Saroj ji, well, i wish she were a little more sensitiveat times, that along with being contenders, these are also human beings she's talking to or talking about, and deserve some amount of respect...and a little more consistent too...just my opinion, you may not agree with it...😊


i certainly respect the fact that they rate talent very high, and stand by it when need arises...that is ideally what should indeed be done...although i do wish it were done with a little more amount of grace...


what i find a little odd is how they often rate that degree of talent at the same level as a certain degree of improvement...i cannot digest the fact that Baichung and Gauhar, for instance, were rated the same in the Pre-Finale, especially after Gauhar's Jiya Jale performance...😳 but they seem to have separate criteria for judging both the respective contenders...while in isolation, each criteria is fair, Baichung had improved phenomenally, and Gauhar is a brilliant dancer, but what they fail to realise is that at the end of the day, the two will be rated on the same plane, and there, that tie could make or break victory for either one of them...is keeping that in mind not a part of good wholesome judging?


oh, and i have absolutely no issues with them asking people to vote for Gauhar...i don't see why that turned into suc a huge issue...they encouraged people to vote for her, not discouraged people to vote for the others, and i see nothing wrong with that...


just my opinion, no offense meant...i really respect all three of them for being who they are and what they are today...and i would not go so far as to term them "bad" judges...but i do have my disagreements...



u said what i wanted to, so dont want to go there...
even my major problem has been inconsistency.. i really dont know on what scale they have marked baichung the entire season, for i fail to see how as a dancer he is on par with HK and gauhar.. see, there will be a section of the population which will probably vote based on the judges comments. by giving baichung more marks than HK, and gauhar and baichung the same marks, they have done their bit in the damage.
having said that, i did not like that strike thing 1 bit..and not because it involved karan.. these people are not new to the field of judging.. neither are they new to reality shows.. when u know that voting counts in a show, why make a fuss about it? especially before the finale, thereby thoroughly demoralizing the contestant? its not like worthwhile people like shilpa had not gone out, who i still maintain deserved the third finale spot.. so why now? this sudden realization? because your favourite was out?
and lastly, i felt the panel was not balanced this time..saroj ji, is a dance legend in BOLLYWOOD DANCE.. i honestly doubt, before jdj, if she could tell 1 international dance form from other..same goes with juhi.. vaibhavi, may be a little more aware.. what's the point in having judges who don't even know the dance forms they are judging?

P.S. as for the vote appeal for gauhar..i found nothing wrong in it.. it was perhaps, the most sensible thing they did.. what i dont understand is how, when gauhar was undoubtedly the best, they still gave same marks to baichung and gauhar, thereby sending mixed signals to the viewing audience.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@Anisha...agree with you on your point about the strike...when i said standing by talent, i meant way they appealed for Gauhar, which like you said was perhaps one of the most sensible things they did...but then, making an appeal for votes on the one hand, and then nearly countering that with your marking scheme, does that not count as inconsistency in some sense?
and the thoroughly demoralising the contestant part is exactly what i meant by the word "grace", along with the idea that they're human beings who deserve some amount of respect, apart from being just contenders for a trophy...i wish they'd keep that in mind even at a time of emotional frenzy like HK's elimination...😳
i won't comment on their knowledge of dance forms...Vaibhavi does have a decent bit of background, that i know for a fact from many articles and interviews on her...Saroj ji, as far as i know, has more of a classical background than international, but i guess she has some idea...Juhi, thankfully has never laid claims to having any such background, so well...and even so, i'm sorry if i'm wrong in bringing this up, but i really thought Saroj ji's way of confronting Deepak's teacher in the Jugalbandi round was a little rude...so even that knowledge may at times contribute to a slight high-handedness in terms of conduct...but that's not relevant to this post anyway...so i'll let that be...😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@ i never called three of them bad judges as such my only problem is with saroj ji i respect her work in bollywood but at time she behaves like a smug and does not thinks about other person's emotions and feelings... at times judges were inconsistent too as nandini said and they had different criteria for judging the performances.... they fail to see flaws of some while on other side they cut marks without any flaws... i dont think they are bad but they are not the best indeed...and in my opinion at times they were biased i have been bashed for saying truth but then i will stand by my stand
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Posted: 16 years ago
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agree with the topic starter...i liked the judges and they didn't even fight...all three got along very well...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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With regards to your comments on judges, well just to correct you, Himesh Reshammiya was never a Judge. He was the 'Mentor' of his gharana and so has all the rights for supporting her in every which way he feels. As you know the format, the mentor was never allowed to give marks to his own Gharana student. Each mentor was also asked to train their singer, at times they asked votes for them and they also Sang with them.
Coming to this show, I certainly agree that the judges were good (thats what I thought initially), I think Juhi & Vaibhavi were very good. However I have some harsh comments for Saroj Khan, she should be BANNED FROM JUDGING DANCE REALITY SHOWS. She is very rude, prejudiced and does not have knowledge of western dancing. I wonder why they did not go with Shiamak again this season (Terrence would also do but he is on rival show) as he has such great knowledge and is such a well behaved man.
There is a vast difference being a Great choreographer and a Good judge. I have seen her in other shows also like Nach Baliye & Zara Nach Ke Dikha, she was very insulting to Bakhtiyar and took out her personal grudges against him by degrading him.
Saroj is very good in Indian dances and Sensuous numbers but not in western numbers. The only western no of repute which I can remember is Tamma Tamma (which again was copied), all her numbers have been Indian. It is a joke when she comments on dance forms like 'SAMBHA' & 'Sulsa'. But the WORST aspect in her is that she is VERY RUDE & Biased in her judging.
Anyways, 2 out 3 being good judges is still great as compared to last season when they had Jitendra & Urmila and in other shows where they have had David Dhawan & Arjun Rampal to judge dance shows !!
PS - I am not a Karan fan, I am a HK fan. Infact I hate Karan and also BB. Please take my comments in the right sense and Saroj Khan fans please dont mind.

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