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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: nandinidev

very well put Sakshi...😊 and the binary you mentioned between a Hater and a Sycophant is precisely what seems to be prevalent all over the forum...which is really sad ...since on account of that, the few who actually speak rationally, from both sides, tend to be entirely dismissed by most posts 🤔...and you're absolutely spot on about raising questions on his character...none of us really know him, or for that matter any other celebrity, and to pass judgement on a human being based on a few minutes of his/her life cut and pasted together in a montage is more than a little unfair...and this holds good for someone like Gauhar just as much as it does for Karan...it's fine if you don't like them...your choice, and i respect it...and in return i expect you to respect the fact that I do like them, whatever reasons that may be due to...
this is something i've said and said, but it makes sense to very few people, and most of them prefer to keep out of draggy bash sessions or alternatively drool sessions, me included, coz they do nothing better than to just depress me, since in the end they all come to the same thing : 20 odd pages full of all sorts of codswallop, hurled from both sides at one another, without the slightest trace of a healthy, rational discussion...but such is the state of affairs...what to do...
and your last point...very honest, straightforward, and self-explanatory...i don't see how or why anyone should argue with that...i just hope people would understand that there are people like you too, and not everyone voting for Karan votes for his Drool-Quotient...and this is a fact, whether they respect it, or choose to be deliberately oblivious to it...😊



Nandani like always....i couldn't agree with you more.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: DM01

^That's because they don't have any valid reasons, instead of being honest about Karan's bad performances, they shift the blame to judges and accuse them of being biased. The judges are not biased, just because they don't award Karan with good marks for his bad performances, it does not mean they are being biased, it is you guys who are being biased by not being honest about his performances till date.

I know, I can see and this and its terrible. Firstly they abuse, bitch and blame judges, hosts and the show by keeping aside the valid reasons and then they ask others to come up with valid points for discussion. If you are wrong then dont expect others to be right.

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Posted: 16 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Niyati28

Till date I didnt find any valid reason as to why karan deserves to win? Judges are biased, karan is working hard, jhalak is a popularity show these are not reasons but plain excuses.

In return we have many reasons as to why baichung deserves to win. Baichung has shown amazing growth as a performer, he has received all the praises and appriciation of judges and audiance, he has always got high scores, he is a gr8 dancer even as individual and that is confirmed after I saw his tapori dance, baichung never fell for cheap gimmicks to garner votes.

Now these are the valid reasons and if you karan fans want to have valid discussions then provide us with valid reasons as to why karan deserves to win rather then cribbing about the judges, popularity and the hosts. If you cant come up with valid reasons then dont expect that others will do it!




first and foremost, tell me what do u mean by valid reason? valid according to u? because in that case we are wasting time, coz what may seem valid to me may not be to u. like for example, whatever reasons u have given for baichung winning, i personally dont agree with them and can come with my reasons too.. but since we are not discussing that here, i wont enter into it.
coming to karan. ( God i feel like a first grader repeating the alphabets 😛 ).
1). u talk improvement, he has shown loads of improvement.. i have no idea if you've watched his show or no, but he was the proverbial 2 left feet.
2) i'm yet to find one single performance where the judges have found fault with his dance per se. true, choreography is important and that has many times been a disappointment.but i personally dont find it fair to deem a fairly good dancer bad, just because of choreography,same as i dont find the sense in praising another performer strictly based on the choreographer.
3). this is personally my greatest reason. the best is gone. there was time when i was hoping for a good result, with the best winning. with the remaining three, and with the competition mainly between baichung and karan, i do believe that karan is the best dancer. i beg your pardon, the better dancer..now u may not agree here, and i know many people will conveniently latch onto this point only, but i couldn't care less..karan, irrespective of the so called scores, is a better dancer and a better performer. in. my. opinion.
4) the reason i kept this last is not because its least important.it is infact, the most important, but somehow people do not appreciate it. maybe because the person who benefits the most from it is somebody they don't like.
this is a celebs dance show. based on audience voting..honestly, why is this concept so difficult to comprehend? u may ask is it fair?no it isn't. but when the concerned participants signed up for it, knowing pretty well that expecting a fair result is foolishness, why the heck do the normal audience have a problem with it? u read hard kaur's article. clearly been stated that expecting fair results only based on talent is foolishness. so why do people here keep raising that point? because that involves the so called most popular contestant?
and if u talk elimination on the basis of dance, then i agree karan would've been eliminated last week..but guess what? baichung would've been eliminated the week before. coz, since the day jhalak started the lowest scorer has been eliminated each week.excepttion: the last 2 weeks. i repeat. LOWEST. karan has never been the lowest. second lowest maybe on 2 occasions if i remember right, but usually somewhere in between. the first time he was the lowest and escaped the dance off was last week. and the first time baichung was the lowest and escaped the dance off was the week before in the circus round. unfair much?

i know for sure not many people will accept my reasons, save the few who recognize and respect the fact that everybody has their own opinion. but heck, i couldn't help trying.. and well, i do realize its too long too.. 😆 😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: hope4u



u missed the whole point.. the problem is not against criticism.criticism is welcome, and there is no problem with it.. ht problem is with the way the posts are made.. there are not critical, as in they dont offer any valuable inputs. they plainly show the hatred. same goes for the hard core fan posts u see too.. but i must say, in the past few days i have only seen increasingly hate posts than the other.and its really annoying. healthy debates, like we're having here are right, not what's happening in the remaining forum.

and addressing your second point, about valid reasons, if u have read the earlier posts in this topic, u would've got the answer. whether u take it up or no is entirely up to u.

my dear friend, you dont need to raise your voice at me!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Very well written..i have to agree..!

The thing is people like to bash Karan more than support their favs..so i guess it's a bit pointless explaining it to them again n again!

I agree he's not a gud dancer..but then if they feel it's unfair for him to be in the show..then please contact the producers who made this format..! 😊

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: aish_punk

Very well written..i have to agree..!

The thing is people like to bash Karan more than support their favs..so i guess it's a bit pointless explaining it to them again n again!

I agree he's not a gud dancer..but then if they feel it's unfair for him to be in the show..then please contact the producers who made this format..! 😊

so if karan fans think that judges are unfair and biased, hosts are bad, channel is insulting and humilating karan then why dont they contact the producers insted of abusing, bashing the judges, the participants, channel and the hosts by making topics here in this forum?

karan fans are no different they too are sailing in the same boat which they are attacking!

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Posted: 16 years ago
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so if karan fans think that judges are unfair and biased, hosts are bad, channel is insulting and humilating karan then why dont they contact the producers who made the format insted of abusing, bashing the judges, the participants, channel and the hosts over here?

I agree to that Niyati..Nobody seems to have a problem in bashing the judges..But a single comment about their favourites increases their BP..Fairness should be applicable to everybody na?One thing they should understand..all these problems became worse after HK's elimination..people who love dancing became very sad after that..and thats why people started saying that karan's stay in the show needs justification..even most of his fans know that karan is not a very good dancer..instead of being happy in him not getting eliminated they tried to worsen things by making false accusations like jealousy,copying and all... it doesnt make any sense..😡
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: tara5989



umm hello, karan is not the best dancer agreed?? yess

hard kaur was hte best agreed?? yess

umm where is the logic becoz of karan she had to leave??
everytime u do bad with the judges ALL THE CELEBS ask junta to vote for them, karan supporters vote for him since hes been doing badd!!! LIke gauher said int eh last eppy, "votes are asked for when scores arent on ur side, so vote for me"" thats the pt of them!! and if they are in karans favor so wat!!

and if hard kaur was doing good rather, but still didnt get votes, so u are saying karan should not ask for votes, and say vote for the others b/c im not good enuff!! no not really!!
dance or no dance, its a COMPETITION and everyone wants to win, they were good dancers b4 too that got out

its not like karan is asking for all ppl in india to vote jsut for him, only ppl that like him!! if u guys are so hung up on hard kaur(whom i wanted to win) vote for her next time, shes in a realtiy show and make her win!!! judges let her go, even she said in an interview that she was tensed during dance off, but judges should looked at her past record!!

and its not like she gonna come back if karan leaves!!




You are totally missing my point, I said that statement purely coz Karan HAD got the lowest marks that week, he has been constantly getting low marks and yet again due to his voting patterns he was not in the dance off. HK DID NOT deserve to be in the dance off period; it should have been Karan.

Please do read my statement again, I never said that Karan should not ask for votes, I merely said due to him and his voting...a dancer who deserved to be in the finals and had to lose out. Yes I understand that this is a competition, and everyone wants to win, but why do people forget that this is a dance competition so people should win this on their dancing merit.

I agree Gauhar asked for votes in the last episode, when she scored low, but why are you forgetting that she has shown consistency in her performances week after week. It was merely a bad day at the office for her, but Karan on the other hand seems to be having constant bad days..

Karan is asking people to vote for him, he always says that 'Suniye..please vote for me..' He has never said my fans please vote for me, so in technicality he is asking the general public to vote for him. This statement is true for all the celebs, they ask people in general who watch the show to vote for them.

Regarding your statement about voting for HK, I would have if I could. So please stop taking digs at me. I would really appreciate if you do not make it personal. Thanks.

Agreed the judges let HK go, because Gauhar was a tad bit better than her in the dance off, but HK should not have been in the dance off period.

I never said that HK should come back anywhere in my post, I was merely giving my opinion. I guess it's crime to give an opinion around here.

No one is stopping the Karan fans to vote for him, so please go ahead and do the needful..like I said previously that people can vote who so ever they prefer coz their wasting their money, but my humble request that please let the voices of members who disagree with you be heard.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: Mickee



my dear friend, you dont need to raise your voice at me!


i dont know why my post made you feel that way, for that was definitely not my intention..peace. 😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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well said!!!!!!
u speak out my mind!!!!
they knew that Karan was the most popular celebrity on this show....so it was bound to happen for him receiving lots of votes.....he cn't do anything abt...he just say hey guyzz stop voting for me...coz every1 whos gonne participating hv only one thing to do on this dance show...its win JDJ3!!
AND THE JUDGES speak abt votes...if they were so against votes...they shuld not hv let audience vote then!!
let Karan go out....n u will see how the trps get really really low!!

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