The idiosyncracies of the show...!! - Page 3

Originally posted by: spln

bang on pebbz!!... its rather... erm ... unfortunate... that some people will just pick on those who are die hard fans and categorize EVERYONE supporting karan as mindless babes...

and if they can't get the point... oh well... we know who's being hell bent, biased, and blind to ALL facts... you cant just see convenient sides to things and build your own argument... IT IS A BIG WHOLE PICTURE... and people who supprot karan aren't ALL just mad abvout him... the point is,

WE BELIEVE HES THE GUY WE WANT TO SUPPORT... it doesnt mean we dont accept where and when he goes wrong, and it doesnt mean we say hes flawless... it also doesnt mean we are bashing anyone or any other stars... it simply means WE SUPPORT HIM... now what part of that simple english cant penetrate through... is hard to figure....

everyone can support whichever 'star' as pebbz says they like or prefer... its not about perfection.... atleast 50% of it isn't and that's the 50% public decides... AS PER THE SHOW NORMS... if people can't take that well... its really just their own problem and only they can deal with it...

kudoz pebbz!!! looks like doing well in physics has more than the obvious advantages for you !!!

*hugz*

barnz..

ps: im sure, like all other threads this wont be spared from bashing either... if i do get quoted, those who agree with me... :)

those who dont... i dont care much !!!

Originally posted by: spln

bang on pebbz!!... its rather... erm ... unfortunate... that some people will just pick on those who are die hard fans and categorize EVERYONE supporting karan as mindless babes...

and if they can't get the point... oh well... we know who's being hell bent, biased, and blind to ALL facts... you cant just see convenient sides to things and build your own argument... IT IS A BIG WHOLE PICTURE... and people who supprot karan aren't ALL just mad abvout him... the point is,

WE BELIEVE HES THE GUY WE WANT TO SUPPORT... it doesnt mean we dont accept where and when he goes wrong, and it doesnt mean we say hes flawless... it also doesnt mean we are bashing anyone or any other stars... it simply means WE SUPPORT HIM... now what part of that simple english cant penetrate through... is hard to figure....

everyone can support whichever 'star' as pebbz says they like or prefer... its not about perfection.... atleast 50% of it isn't and that's the 50% public decides... AS PER THE SHOW NORMS... if people can't take that well... its really just their own problem and only they can deal with it...

kudoz pebbz!!! looks like doing well in physics has more than the obvious advantages for you !!!

*hugz*

barnz..

ps: im sure, like all other threads this wont be spared from bashing either... if i do get quoted, those who agree with me... :)

those who dont... i dont care much !!!

Originally posted by: Pebblez

Okay, seriously. This forum is one i visit the least, and since the very start of the show, i have seen people crib, complain and go on non-stop about Karan, Karan Karan....Karan this, Karan that...!!! So clearly, he is the most popular star of the show, whether you like him or not. But anyways, thats not why um here. All i wanted to say is, this show is seriously turning idiotic now.

First thing, I clearly remember the logo of the show; dancing with the STARS. Which means, celebrities, of course. And so it should be damn well clear that in celebrities, one or two would be more popular than the others. Then they dragged in Karan Singh Grover, who happens to be amongst the top rated television stars today. And thats when the drama started.

What i dont understand is why everyone is all the time taking digs at him? Karan is as much of a celebrity as the others; i dont see them being dragged into every statement the hosts make. I agree, he is far more popular with a huge fan following; so is that a crime on the show? Can you stop people from voting? I dont frikking get what the hell is everyone's problem with his fan following voting for him. Is it a 'Search India for Talent Dance Show'? No. Its "dancing with the Stars" which means, definitely, the popular ones get through.

They go on and on about how his voting is so much more than others, and its unfair. How come? Isnt it the pattern of the show? If the voting irks them so much, why not totally make a judge-based show, on 'pure dancing' talent. I bet they would have a big financial problem, not to mention low TRP s in it.

See, Sony's giving us a show that's about stars and dancing. Just learn to enjoy dance, rather than fret about it. If i get down to HOW unfair the show has been to Karan, and how he's been facing such a biased behavior from the judges, than it'd be definitely a very long post. All i want to say is, they are just too hypocritical to HAVE him in the show and then take digs at him. Come on, take Karan out tomorrow, their TRPs are gonna drop within ONE episode. I. Can. Frikking. Bet.

So yea. The basic point is, stop being so biased against him. He's just another contestant. And yah, whether he deserves to be there or not, depends on the voters. All those anti-Karan, you can just vote for the ones you like, and get off the guy's back. Its all the time yak-yak-yak about either Karan or Shraddha or Nicole or the blog or the dance or the godforsaken kisses and how they are seriously proving to be a hazard to your sensitive little hearts.

P.s. No offence meant, i am not here for fighting. I just need to make a stance and stand by it for him.

Kiran

Originally posted by: nandinidev

first of all, well put...👍🏼 and rationally too...although i have a few things to point out...first of all, i completely agree with your point about the celebrities knowing what they signed up for...but that is precisely why Karan never raises a voice against anything that is said to him, fair or unfair...that was my issue with the whole farce about the "edited" clips...i thought it was unfair on both Gauhar as well as Karan, since Gauhar's clip remained a montage of isolated answers from different interviews, while Karan's clip was not even called for...he never raised the question of how he was being portrayed in the first place, keeping a dignified 'No Comments' stand on his Bad Boy image as well as his Playboy persona...then why have him in the corner? 😕 if you'll recall, Rohit asked him his opinion about this whole 'editing' business, and his reply was a simple waise to nahin but agar aap ek hi cheez ko slow-mo karke, background music chala ke dikhayenge to shayad use editing kaha ja sakta hai...and then, pronto, the clips were aired...almost as though they knew what he was going to say before he said it...so one would conclude that it was either scripted, or manipulated, or just plain silly that they decided to make an entire AV to reply to allegations Karan never made...!! and Gauhar's was equally ridiculous, since her point was that they isolate only her negative statements, and the AV they showed just confirmed that...!!😕

My point...that channels mainly script the farce and create this drama to add to the entertainment value. This is not a dance show, its more an entertainment show and these celebrities are being used in way in which they can infulence people to garner more votes. This way the channel and the production house either create a good or a bad image, and like I mentioned previously that these celebrities are very well aware of such acts. Regarding the Gauhar issue they made her look like a vamp, in just showing the edited clips and the same could be said about HK's or Bhagyashree etc's clips. About Karan; the whole issue of him and Nicole, well it was a disgusting act from the channel's point of view to add the song in the background to spice it up. I would rather not say anything about the actual clip, as I don't think I have the right to say anything on that matter. Karan had to remain quiet and dignified regarding the matter coz he most likely was part of the script, just like the other celebs.

similarly, i agree that Karan isn't the best dancer, and the contestant who should have actually walked away with the title was very sadly eliminated last week...but to corner Karan for that is a little unfair...like you said, it's a democratic country, and people choose what they do with their votes...if he's the one they choose to spend money on, how is it his fault per se? and like the country, this forum is democratic too, but then why must this democracy be put only to negative use by so many people...i have no issues against constructive criticism...infact, i'm all for healthy discussions...but if you've been a regular on this forum, you'll realise that that is next to impossible to locate around here, and the credit for the same lies with Pro-Karans and Anti-Karans alike...some of the former for over-reacting to genuine criticism, and to the latter for overstepping that line and getting down to raw disrespect...there is no difference in giving opinion, therefore, provided it is given in a rational and open-minded manner from both sides...something sadly absent from most posts on this forum...

Karan is not a bad dancer at all, only if he had a good choreographer to tap on to his strong and weak points. We would have seen immense improvement in the guy just like BB, Sonia made a dancer out of a non-dancer...he's still stiff, but the guy has shown eons of improvement. I am not blaming Karan for his voting patterns, what I would have liked him to do was may be just be a little humble. (please don't take it in a wrong way..😊) Fortunately or unfortunately I haven't been really active on this forum, I have just been around here after HK's exist, yes I have seen many negative posts around. Sadly both KSG lovers and haters come from the drastic end of the spectrum; hence they cannot understand each others points. I agree on your highlighted part..

People; actually let me rephrase MOST FANS fail to see the difference between constructive criticism and outright bashing. Be it for the love of their show, or their favourite celebrity, and sadly this is the case not just in this forum but everywhere around IF.

Originally posted by: alias

Dude, this is an open forum and is meant to have arguments/ discussion. When JDJ started- everyone was pouncing on Gauhar- then HK and then Parul....where were u then? U didnt come to their rescue.<br>And now it's Karan's turn. <br><br>People have every right to voice their thoughts- just as you say people have every right to vote whoever they want.<br><br>Important thing is how you counter argue their thoughts vs ur own and provide RATIONAL reasoning to back your thoughts. If you are not capable to do so then please don't jump into conclusion that everyone is Karan haters or after Karan just cause.<br><br>People are after KARAN for a REASON and they have every right to make their case. Although, I am against bashing and I see some members bashing him but U cant generalize everyone being haters. <br>We are here to PUT FORTH a valid DISCUSSION. (some maybe unreasonable but reasonable ones-

Originally posted by: *Huma*

We are very well aware that this is a celebrity DANCE show...and we know that Sony are merely using his popularity to get themselves out the recession. So thank you for your tutorial...

I don't think Karan is the only celeb that Sony have taken digs at, there have been digs on Bhaghyashree, Gauhar, Monica, Parul, HK etc etc.. So my point, its not only Karan who has been subjected to this. Its the channel's way of creating drama. And dude they are creating this drama so that his fans become over-zealous and vote double/ triple, which is what is happening. Hence the channel wins; its a win-win situation for them.

Secondly Karan and all these celebs were very well aware of what they were getting themselves in to, so in this case it was their decision to be portrayed the way they are being shown on TV. Hence they cannot complain about being shown as the BAD or GOOD guy.. And anyway as saying goes 'Any publicity is good publicity..'

Regarding stopping people from voting, no we cannot stop people..its a deomocracy and every voter has a right to do something stupid or good. They are using their money, whether they throw it in the gutter or keep it safe, it is entirely up to them.

About your statement: "No. Its "dancing with the Stars" which means, definitely, the popular ones get through."
You are contradicting yourself; its a dancing show, hence the celebrity with dancing talent should win, and personally right this moment coz of Karan a well deserving celeb who was also popular and COULD dance had to loose out.

I don't think the TRPs would matter much in the case of JDJ, as its pretty low this season anyway...

People watch this show for different reasons, not everyone watch the show coz they want to see their favourite celebrity..They watch for dance, creative choreographers and to learn about various dance forms, which this season has failed miserably in.

The format of this show is to create drama, and if Karan did not want to be a part of the drama around him. He shouldn't have agreed to it, but he came on this show on his own accord, and so no one should complain about how much humiliation he's been through, personally I think Gauhar has been through more. So why were people not complaining then???Oh wait...everyone hates her... At the end, these celebs don't care about such cheap acts the channels do, coz in the end it benefits them; they gain more popularity and come in the public eye, and eventually people forget about what happened in the show.

So in the end, I'll just say like you, people merely vent out their frustration when they make posts regarding Karan not being good enough to be in the finals...coz well its a sad truth but he's not good enough for the finals. But the other sad truth is that.. he is. This is a democratic forum, so if members are allowed to make Pro Karan, then others should be allowed to make Anti-Karan posts too. I don't see why there should be any difference in giving opinion.

Live and let live...
Have a nice day.

Originally posted by: alias

Dude, this is an open forum and is meant to have arguments/ discussion. When JDJ started- everyone was pouncing on Gauhar- then HK and then Parul....where were u then? U didnt come to their rescue. I think everyone is allowed to root for their favourites and back them up...the post maker is a fan of Karan's, so i think it's quite natural that outright bashing against him should disturb her more than that against Gauhar or HK...at the time in question, Gauhar fans did back her up, as did I, since i recognised the manipulation involved in her AV clips...it may not have been in the same intensity since she has a lesser number of fans on this forum...besides, i think even you'd agree that neither Gauhar nor HK were discussed with such conviction, positive and negative alike, at the beginning of the season...that is why this post was made...since the past fortnight seems to have been Karan, Karan and some more Karan, on the forum, whether it's his fans posting things to support him or his non-fans, shall we say, to do the exact opposite...ironically, both kinds of topics eventually come to the same result, and it isn't a positive one, if you know what i mean...
And now it's Karan's turn.

People have every right to voice their thoughts- just as you say people have every right to vote whoever they want.

Important thing is how you counter argue their thoughts vs ur own and provide RATIONAL reasoning to back your thoughts. If you are not capable to do so then please don't jump into conclusion that everyone is Karan haters or after Karan just cause.

just to clarify, i don't think this post is meant to class everyone under a single camp of Haters...it is just an expression of what the topic maker felt when she visited the forum lately 😊...maybe she ought to have made it clearer, but as far as i can tell, she is talking about that chunk of people who bash Karan outright, and i'm sure you'll agree that there do exist some such individuals...

People are after KARAN for a REASON and they have every right to make their case. Absolutely...no one is denying that...like Anisha said, the problem lies not in expressing one's opinion, but in how one does so...and again, i'll reiterate that the fault lies on both sides, and this post is the topic maker's reaction to those opposing her point of view who do not restrict their comments to rational criticism... Although, I am against bashing and I see some members bashing him but U cant generalize everyone being haters.
We are here to PUT FORTH a valid DISCUSSION. (some maybe unreasonable but reasonable ones- CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING AGAINST THOSE?? If yes, then please POST. That is exactly the point...this post is meant to be only about the unreasonable ones...look at it this way, there are posts made by the non-fans, classing each and every Karan fan under one term "K-Babes"...does that appear equally valid to you? just as all crtiques cannot be classified as Haters, all supporters cannot be classified as Blind...as with Anti-Karans, some Pro-Karans are unreasonable too, but that does not mean that all of them are...but that's just a minor reference, aside from the point...i'd just wanted to clear it out once, seeing so many posts with that term splashed around like an insult at anyone who chose to disagree...coming to the point, that's what i said...there is absolutely no problem with voicing one's opinion, provided one does so in a rational and open-minded manner, no matter what side one is on...and this goes for Pro-Karans and Anti-Karans alike...the former should be willing to take genuine criticism and the latter to not overstep that line and get down to outright disrespect...while there are a few who fortunately do have it in them to do so, both sides also have people who, like Huma said, come from the extreme poles of the spectrum, almost willingly obtuse to each other's arguments...🤔


One more thing- If you do make a valid point then I would concur otherwise...bring on the discussion!! Also u'l have to hear sides as well. Bingo...that's what i've been looking for on this forum for a long time...sadly, it's very hard to find in the midst of this, well, mess...most of the time, the valid points just get dismissed, from both sides...i've had that experience myself, with many of my posts being quoted and marked with "Long Essays Are Injurious To Health" Warnings, just because i did not concur with the post 😆...lol...so much for healthy discussion...i'm glad to see at least one post that acknowledges some semblance of the same...😊

Originally posted by: virgo_gurl

i second u on that well said!!
Even i wonder why are these people behind karan why telling us not to vote?? If they love their respective celebrities so much than go n vote for them why telling us not to support n blah blah disgusting n plain hypocrisy!!🤢🤢🤢

@topic maker: Amazing Post👍🏼

Originally posted by: alias

Dude, this is an open forum and is meant to have arguments/ discussion. When JDJ started- everyone was pouncing on Gauhar- then HK and then Parul....where were u then? U didnt come to their rescue.
And now it's Karan's turn.

People have every right to voice their thoughts- just as you say people have every right to vote whoever they want.

Important thing is how you counter argue their thoughts vs ur own and provide RATIONAL reasoning to back your thoughts. If you are not capable to do so then please don't jump into conclusion that everyone is Karan haters or after Karan just cause.

People are after KARAN for a REASON and they have every right to make their case. Although, I am against bashing and I see some members bashing him but U cant generalize everyone being haters.
We are here to PUT FORTH a valid DISCUSSION. (some maybe unreasonable but reasonable ones- CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING AGAINST THOSE?? If yes, then please POST.

If no, then please dont open random topics claiming 'Oh why is everyone after Karan'........They are AFTER him because they can't understand the choice being made by the VOTERS despite a mediocre Performance....I read the crap you wrote about Dancing with the STARs.....lolzzz...Trust me u dont want to drag that discussion with moi. 😉

One more thing- If you do make a valid point then I would concur otherwise...bring on the discussion!! Also u'l have to hear sides as well.