Jai Kumar Nair feels Isha is not..[DT NOTE Pg 8] - Page 5

Originally posted by: roxy22

Agree with u 100%. U dsrve my congratulation 4 saying wht i wanted to say bt didnt hav the right words. Yes isha is flexible bt nt verstyle. She needs to work on his expression. Salman was an ok dancer in did bt i thnk needs to dvelp hs choreography.my apologies to theis fans.

Originally posted by: pigbelly4myfeet

^^ LOL I see that this discussion is pointless. You're contradicting your own viewpoints now and failing to even respond to my points.

To you it doesn't even MATTER whether Isha performs any style successfully or not as long as she DOES it? Well, alright then. If that's versatility according to you, then great...you can stick to your own definition of versatility then. Oh look, Isha did a little hip movement at 1:05 minute of the performance, so now we can call it a bachata. Great. If that's your interpretation of performing a dance style, then I shall leave you alone with that.

Just the fact that you actually had to pin point certain areas of the performance where there was bollywood, bachata etc. proves Jai's point I think. The OVERALL performance still didn't feel like a "bollywood" or "bachata" whatever style. Bravo that you could find ONE bollywood step in there. Good for you, because I certainly couldn't.

And you're contradicting yourself now where you say that versatility doesn't mean portraying various moods to you even though that was your very own definition in your previous post. That's what I responded to anyways. I actually appreciated that definition and agreed wholeheartedly with it as well.

I don't even know what more I can say to you when you think that Isha actually portrayed those "characters" and "emotions" convincingly. If that's the standard of dancing and expression that appeals to you, then enjoy. Clearly, intelligence, creativity and art aren't appreciated with the audience anymore. That's just too bad. And clearly our definitions of good dancing are poles apart.

And thank you for simply ignoring my point about the music. I guess, music isn't of that much importance to you either when it comes to dancing. Well then it makes sense why you prefer Salman's choreography and Isha's dancing.

I'll just share one more thought that popped into my head just now. I like to see dancing which fits in with the music SO well, that whenever I listen to that particular music piece on my own, I simply cannot get those dance steps out of my head. Dance steps that correspond COMPLETELY to a music piece. That's genius to me. That's brilliant artistic expression in the form of dance to me.

How do you think dancing even started? As an expression through listening to music only no? That's how different dance "styles" were even created in the first place. Therefore, if a dancer cannot express themselves to the music...simply MOVE to the music, then everything else is pointless to me. I could care less what dance style or what "story" they are portraying.

Clearly we differ greatly in our opinions of "dance" in general, so I leave you to continue enjoying Isha's "versatility" and oh so awesome dancing. That's it from my end.

Peace.

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-

I usually just ignore your posts thinking there is no point arguing and wasting time who can write a response that looks like a essay. And it's fine, it's your prerogative and choice. And you can criticize and say whatever you feel like about contestant and choreographers, even to the point that your post starts sounding like you're bashing them. It's completely fine with me. I got nothing to lose here.

But after reading this post, especially the bold part, I am simply disappointed to even have read your post. Yes my fault.

I usually don't go in technicalities simply because I do not have enough knowledge to debate it out. I watch JDJ for the entertainment purposes and what looks and feels good to me. And I am sure that's the same for many other who are watching this show every weekend. Not everyone has to have the proper knowledge to enjoy this show. People will like what feels good to them. You can't go around questioning someone's KNOWLEDGE or INTELLIGENCE simply because they like specific contestant or their dancing. You come here and start comparing these contestants to some pro dancers, which is your choice, but for certain people this is the only dance show they watch and thus they will like or criticize the contestant based on the pool that is given to them. You have no right to question what "appeals" to general public. Even if I were to defend or like someone who is the world's crappiest dancer, it's my choice. So please don't come around and start shoving your precious opinions down our throats. There is no need for you to get so personal just to ease off your frustration.

I am sorry but you're literally pouncing on the member and trying to make her/him feel inferior just for having an opinion or trying to have a debate with you. And if you tell me otherwise, I won't believe it. As a third person who is reading your post, I simply get the feel of aggression.

P.S: When sarcasm is used in proper spirit, it brightens a post, but when it is used to put others down, then it is simply wasted

Originally posted by: chocolover89

In my books versatility, with respect to dance, is more related to showing different dance styles or showing different moods in one style...but the main part is, these attempts have to be CONVINCING! I think everybody forgets that last word and its annoying because that word is really what DEFINES versatility .. For example, Aishwarya Rai did dramatic movies, romantic, and comedy movies...but she failed epically at comedy. I'm not going to say she's a versatile actress because she attempted that different style now am I?

I personally think Jai is referring to Isha not being able to do different dance styles WELL, other than aerial and contemporary that is...and in that respect, he is totally RIGHT in my books...I have yet to be impresed with Isha when she was totally out of her comfort zone (rarely as that is)..or actually even in her comfort zone, but that is not the point...and actually even with respect to different moods, I don't think she has been CONVINCING in her attempts with those either...that is because of her extremely weak expressions both face-wise and body language wise also.

Let's talk about the Paso Doble...if her postures aren't even correct and are weak, how can we even say she did WELL in that particular style? Aren't postures SO important in the type of dance you're doing...especially ballroom?? I found her expressions sorely lacking too..the fierceness, the anger that PD is all about was totally missing.. I actually laughed when Isha came running in the beggining of the song trying to look fierce...and throughout the dance itself, I found her very CONSCIOUS, lacking in CONFIDENCE ...and honestly that is one of the main aspects of the PD...the fierceness which comes from the body language and expressions..so if I found that lacking, how can I include that dance style as one Isha can do well?

The Dirty Picture performance...the "bollywood" one. I found her expressions really bad (like always)...actually scary and bit creepy. ( I just rewtched it too).. The whole movie is about a SULTRY soft-po*n star...and Isha's performance didn't translate that for me. And aren't expressions so important in Bollywood dancing anyways?? Her Govinda-Karishma waala bollywood routine toh was not at all good. So again, how can I include bollywood also as a style that Isha can do well?

As for the Bachata...well I don't even know how I can count that as a different style when I found so very little bachata in their performance? I mean there was hardly any hip-shaking!! And the VERY BASIC premise of ANY Latin dance = hip-shaking..if that is missing, then it is not a Latin dance..period. No two ways about this.

Actually... I would blame Salman for Isha's lack of versatility because I don't think he has PUSHED Isha to her limits at all. He has stayed largely in Isha's comfort zone and he hasn't been able to help her IMPROVE on her weak points either...the judges are clearly to blame also because with their total lack of honest, genuine feedback throughmost of this show, they have given the dancers a false sense of confidence that in the end has done nothing for the contestants.

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-

I usually just ignore your posts thinking there is no point arguing and wasting time who can write a response that looks like a essay. And it's fine, it's your prerogative and choice. And you can criticize and say whatever you feel like about contestant and choreographers, even to the point that your post starts sounding like you're bashing them. It's completely fine with me. I got nothing to lose here.

But after reading this post, especially the bold part, I am simply disappointed to even have read your post. Yes my fault.

I usually don't go in technicalities simply because I do not have enough knowledge to debate it out. I watch JDJ for the entertainment purposes and what looks and feels good to me. And I am sure that's the same for many other who are watching this show every weekend. Not everyone has to have the proper knowledge to enjoy this show. People will like what feels good to them. You can't go around questioning someone's KNOWLEDGE or INTELLIGENCE simply because they like specific contestant or their dancing. You come here and start comparing these contestants to some pro dancers, which is your choice, but for certain people this is the only dance show they watch and thus they will like or criticize the contestant based on the pool that is given to them. You have no right to question what "appeals" to general public. Even if I were to defend or like someone who is the world's crappiest dancer, it's my choice. So please don't come around and start shoving your precious opinions down our throats. There is no need for you to get so personal just to ease off your frustration.

I am sorry but you're literally pouncing on the member and trying to make her/him feel inferior just for having an opinion or trying to have a debate with you. And if you tell me otherwise, I won't believe it. As a third person who is reading your post, I simply get the feel of aggression.

P.S: When sarcasm is used in proper spirit, it brightens a post, but when it is used to put others down, then it is simply wasted

Originally posted by: pigbelly4myfeet

LOL, congrats on being able to figure me out so well. Yes, I am the one getting personal here. When you're the one who clearly has no regard for my actual discussion points and instead you choose only to focus on my choice of opinion and the way I say things. Thank you for admitting that you don't even bother to read my posts just because I have a lot to say...😆...that comment itself shows your respect for different viewpoints on this forum and the respect for other members.

You're free to make your own assumptions. *shrugs* I don't feel the need to defend myself to a random person I've never interacted with before.

And why shouldn't I question the audience appeal? I have every right to do so. It's clear as clear...with the kinds of movies getting hit these days, the kinds of books becoming successful, the kinds of TV shows ruling the TRP charts, the kinds of dance performances attracting the audience...yes certainly the intelligence of our audience is not to be questioned. It's not about what "pool" of dancing you are acquainted with or how much "knowledge" of dance you have. Anyone can see whether or not someone is simply expressing to a piece of music or not. And yes, I will express my frustration and annoyance for an audience who fails to appreciate genuine and creative talent from superficial gimmicks.

If you're fine with this kind of superficial trend and lack of appreciation for genuineness, then good for you. As a dance lover, Salman and Isha are FAR from the best I've seen so I just fail to see the appeal.

If you have something dance related to discuss with me, then please go ahead. Otherwise I am not interested in playing this back and forth pin pointing game with you.

Peace and good day to you.

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-

Firstly please do read the bold part, I said I am disappointed to have read this post, so don't around assuming something which isn't there. And I do not have to or need to figure you out. On a virtual forum, I don't thing it is necessary or even needed.

And FYI: I have always read your posts, whether I comment or not, that's my choice, whether I like it or not, again my choice, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate your viewpoint. I do not have to go around and point out what I liked or what I don't like. Just because I questioned you for being personal and questioning people's choice, doesn't mean I am not considerate enough to let people express what they feel like. I, for one because of the lack of knowledge in technical dept, do not participate in such debates. And you can't expect me or the "general public" to go learn the technicalities and then judge the show. That's like go learn and be pro in science in order to watch a Sci Fi movie or show. I am an audience, just the way you are. You got your viewpoints and I have mine. Obviously they won't be the same considering we have different knowledge or perspective or even background, doesn't mean you got right to question me or anyone for that matter. It is you who has problem with people's choice and expectation, you can't go around expect people to follow you and accept your choice. I am sorry, you got way too high expectation if you think so. Not everyone is going to agree with you, just the way you didn't agree with the other member's POV.

Even I am not interested in having a discussion with someone who thinks she has right to question someone's choice. Looks like I'll have to run by you before I choose the man for my marriage, cuz clearly your opinion has to matter in my life

Peace to you as well cuz it is definitely needed.