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Posted: 13 years ago
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^^how were her expressions at all blank? Not once during her performance did she not have that hateful and devilish look in her eyes. IMO, she was more convincing as a ghost than Shampa.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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OMG the concept too was same( hero killing heroine, thereafter the ghost entry)...along with the theme horror...😲
Thanks for bringing it into notice...

Only thing was the look of the at in isha's performance which I found different...along with her flexibility...and less of dance...

Thats why I keep writing their performances are boring and predictable...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar

Ahh they got the horror theme to do? Well Sushant-Shampa were given salsa to do and they wove a story about horror into it...I find that far more creative and worthy of praise than using Isha's contortion skills and amazingly BLANK plastic face to portray her as a zombie...doesn't require that much from her side...


By the way is this a DANCE show or a THEME show? Is the point supposed to be about combining dance WITH theme or just putting up the props for a theme and getting lauded for that? If it's the latter, then in that case, my apologies...Salman-Isha totally lived up to the "level" of the show this year👏😆


FYI, the theme they were given was horror, not Salsa and they did Salsa in the theme. So it was similar to this year. Not the other way around as you seem to think.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadhaHiBawari

As a former Pavitra Rishta fan, I have got to say, I loved Sushant's performance. He is a terrific dancer and Shampa is a genius choreographer. But, in no discernible way, can you say that Salman's and Isha's performance was copied from that. As you pointed out, there were Salsa steps in the Shampa's choreography, and Salman's didn't have that. There was only one thing that I found similar, which was the fact that Isha walked backwards on all fours like Shampa did. But, IMO, Isha did that step better. If what you consider "plagiarizing" is the fact that both of them did a horror themed dance, then you should also know the fact that both jodis were assigned that theme. They'll have a jodi next season who does a horror dance as well, so will that be considered copying?

It's not just about the theme yaar, its about the concept. What was Sushant-Shampa's concept- girl is killed by her lover, and then the ghost of the girl comes back to take revenge. Salman and Isha's act had the same concept. Surely they could have chosen another story/concept, it's not like this is the only storyline/concept available to make a horror performance? Even the song is from the same film- Raundhe hai and Pyaar tune kya kiya focussing on the girl crying for her lover. The camera effects are quite similar too. Isha's step of walking on all fours like Shampa is the same too. Even if one tries it is hard to ignore the uncanny resemblences, whether intentional or not. And if one says that this is a common concept and hence is no plagiarism, then again it goes on to show the lack of novelty in the act in choosing a concept already performed on the same stage before.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadhaHiBawari

As a former Pavitra Rishta fan, I have got to say, I loved Sushant's performance. He is a terrific dancer and Shampa is a genius choreographer. But, in no discernible way, can you say that Salman's and Isha's performance was copied from that. As you pointed out, there were Salsa steps in the Shampa's choreography, and Salman's didn't have that. There was only one thing that I found similar, which was the fact that Isha walked backwards on all fours like Shampa did. But, IMO, Isha did that step better. If what you consider "plagiarizing" is the fact that both of them did a horror themed dance, then you should also know the fact that both jodis were assigned that theme. They'll have a jodi next season who does a horror dance as well, so will that be considered copying?

Now talking about dance'After I read this, I went on to youtube once again to watch their performance. Was it just me, or was Isha actually lip synching most of the time? And yes, Salman tried to show off Isha's flexibility, but isn't that what a choreographer is supposed to do? Showcase his dancer's strengths? Shampa did it with Sushant's jazz. And all the movements were well synchronized. All of her steps went with the beats of the music. But I think that since the main theme of the dance was horror, the performance should have scared the audience at least. I wasn't at all scared with Sushant's and Shampa's dance performance, not even at the end when she choked him. Salman's and Isha's performance was much more true to the theme.


Exactly my thoughts. Sushant and Shampa's performance was amazing, but I wasn't scared. Isha and Salman's actually scared me. And their dance form was contemporary - which is probably the most encompassing dance form I know.

Also, its not like Shampa invented the back walk? Everyone that thinks horror, thinks of the backwalk in exorcist, even Vaishnavi did that in Dance Ke Superstars. Backwalks are common and the fact that Isha did it better and turned with it, that was fantastic.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashlatore


FYI, the theme they were given was horror, not Salsa and they did Salsa in the theme. So it was similar to this year. Not the other way around as you seem to think.

Last year the contestants were given BOTH a dance form AND a theme. Like Daya was given Tango and suspense. Similarily Sushant Shampa were given Salsa and Horror.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: nikitagmc

It's not just about the theme yaar, its about the concept. What was Sushant-Shampa's concept- girl is killed by her lover, and then the ghost of the girl comes back to take revenge. Salman and Isha's act had the same concept. Surely they could have chosen another story/concept, it's not like this is the only storyline/concept available to make a horror performance? Even the song is from the same film- Raundhe hai and Pyaar tune kya kiya focussing on the girl crying for her lover. The camera effects are quite similar too. Isha's step of walking on all fours like Shampa is the same too. Even if one tries it is hard to ignore the uncanny resemblences, whether intentional or not. And if one says that this is a common concept and hence is no plagiarism, then again it goes on to show the lack of novelty in the act in choosing a concept already performed on the same stage before.




Excellent points, Nikita👏 But I can already see that attempting to logically reason anything out here is a lost cause ...😆...So apparently a ZOMBIE act is the ONLY act that can be done on a horror theme and Pyar tune kya kiya is the ONLY movie to get songs from...Truly "creativity" at it's best👏😆

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: nikitagmc

It's not just about the theme yaar, its about the concept. What was Sushant-Shampa's concept- girl is killed by her lover, and then the ghost of the girl comes back to take revenge. Salman and Isha's act had the same concept. Surely they could have chosen another story/concept, it's not like this is the only storyline/concept available to make a horror performance? Even the song is from the same film- Raundhe hai and Pyaar tune kya kiya focussing on the girl crying for her lover. The camera effects are quite similar too. Isha's step of walking on all fours like Shampa is the same too. Even if one tries it is hard to ignore the uncanny resemblences, whether intentional or not. And if one says that this is a common concept and hence is no plagiarism, then again it goes on to show the lack of novelty in the act in choosing a concept already performed on the same stage before.



When you think horror, you think ghosts. And either Salman or Isha could have taken that role. But Salman chose Isha because of her flexibility. He himself couldn't have been able to pull of what she did. So the fact that the female in both acts is playing the ghosts is copying?

The songs are quite different, actually. They might be from the same movie, but "Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya" was originally just a romantic number with Urmila Matondkar singing in a bathtub. Salman took it in a whole different direction. And as per the camera effects, then that's all up to the camera man. They might have the same guy from last season, who knows?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar




Excellent points, Nikita👏 But I can already see that attempting to logically reason anything out here is a lost cause ...So apparently a ZOMBIE act is the ONLY act that can be done on a horror theme and Pyar tune kya kiya is the ONLY movie to get songs from...Truly "creativity" at it's best👏😆



If there are logical reasons, please respond to them instead of labeling posts are fangiri.
Thank you.

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Edited by tannipartner - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Welcome to jdj forum pallo.🤗

Seems our streak of disagreement will continue from DID here.😆

So basically i disagree with you.

Why:

Dance to me is a very physical art, i am not saying do out and out stunt and pass it off as dance,but if you can express yourself through postures and stunts then why not? I think it was soumitra chatterjee, who said a dancer should be able to move every single muscle of his or her body and i am glad isha can do it and she uses her whole body to express dance. I would have died to be someone who can use her whole body to express her emotions.

Secondly, there were lots of expressions and acting, in one where she throws salman away and then sits and cries , for a couple of seconds, the expression of being betrayed/ murdered got to me totally.

Dance choreography is not just about doing dance steps, its about telling a story and costumes, makeup, lighting, props all are and can be used to tell the story effectively. I think the whole red light gave the dance a whole new level.

I thought there were enough dance, yes it was a bit stunt yoga based, but there was enough dance in it. I felt the usage of stunts and isha's flexibility to depict the unnatural ness of the ghost ie isha was quite good.


last season's sushan't act was wonderful no doubt and shampa choreographed a master piece too. But apart from the theme and the girl playing ghost i really did not think it was shamelessly copied.
the story was different, setting was different.
once the ghots comes in, whatever acting dancing sushant did was almost in equal amount to salman.
In total i think salman's act is applaudable and it may be inspired, but it is not copied from sushan't act. Both the acts were good in their own way.
I would choose sushan'ts act to see a ballad and a story, and i would chose this act to see sheer passionate hate and anger and definitely horror depicted by the ghost and the murderer.


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