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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ufff, I loathe and detest the mental illness track SO MUCH.
Anyway, just to set the record straight, everything recently depicted in the show regarding this topic is all WRONG.
No. Baby A cannot be packed off to a mental institution just like that. Legally, there is an entire chain of command and paperwork to be followed.
No. That is not how the support staff at these places behave. They are specially trained and do not lose their cool, even with the most difficult patients.
No ECT (electric shocks) cannot be given to a conscious patient with a trauma injury.
There is a protocol for ECT application and baby A is deffo not a candidate.
No. Orderlies/wardens do not have the authority to make medical/treatment-related decisions for patients.

Stupid, stupid, unresearched, senseless track. Have I mentioned stupid?
Urghhh.. The stuff they get away with in the name of creative license. 😡😡😡

Why is this such a big deal even though this is just a show?
Answer: Because mental illness is already stigmatized. People with no education or proper sources of information will believe all this and will avoid seeking treatment, even for genuine cases who desperately need medical attention to get better.

Anyway...


An alternate meaning of asylum is 'shelter' or 'protection from danger.' Just like Vivi is doing for baby A.
To me, Vivi's gesture of wanting to withdraw the case was not romantic at all. It was just practical and the need of the hour. Both Guddi and baby A are her responsibilies. She had already lost one, and she wasn't about to lose another.
Second, withdrawing the case doesn't mean that she would stop investigating. It just meant she wouldn't let Atharv be harmed on the basis of circumstantial evidence.
Third, she was just prioritizing. It's human nature and does not indicate preference at all. Take ViTharv fans for instance. Their biggest issue is Vivi's forced marriage, haina? But this week, the only worry they had was for baby A's safety. Does that mean the forced marriage is no longer a concern? Of course not. Just means that baby's A suffering is the subject that requires immediate resolution. Therefore, it was their first priority. Simple as that. 😛
Similarly, for Vivi, getting justice for Guddi remains important. However, because of the current circumstances, baby A's safety would logically and naturally come first. Guddi's loss cannot be restored. But if she lost Atharv too and simply watched it happen without doing anything about it, how is she to live with herself??!
In my opinion, this was the only humane and sensible decision that could have been taken at the time.

As for the decision seeming selfish and biased.. Of course it is! But why shouldn't it be? Everyone is selfish about their loved ones. Unless, they're the Buddha. I really don't think Vivi is. Maybe desi TV bahus are expected to be. Unfortunate. :/
Also, there is no comparison with the Aditi and Bhoomi instances.
They maybe extended family but she has no emotional connect with them. And they are not her responsibility, whereas baby A is.
But most importantly, they are adults who can defend themselves (which they did and hence they were never convicted despite there being the same amount of circumstantial evidence against them). On the other hand, baby A has no defense and absolutely needs and deserves someone who has blind faith in him.
Obviously that person is going to be Vivi not only because she knows him best and loves him unconditionally but also because he would have/has done/will do the same for her. Such is the nature of their equation. It has a sanctity of its own and I refuse to label it.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Brilliantly written !!!
It conveys what needs to be clarified 👍🏼


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Posted: 9 years ago
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I really like your topic and your explanation about Assylum and care for the patient. Till you praised Vividha's decision to withdraw the case.
You lost me at that point. Yes, i understand her care for Atharva, But then what about Aditi and Bhoomi. Had her reaction to them, had been calm and normal, I would've accepted her behavior towards ATharva's implication too. But that time, she was so so rude, without any evidence, just on the basis of one phone conversation and one sketch, she went on to insult them, calling them murderer and what not.

Atharva is dear to her, but even Aditi and Bhoomi is someone's relatives, dear to someone. Aditi is a young girl, one wrong implication would've ruined her whole life. Bhoomi also wouldve had to go through so much trauma. So no, her behavior was wrong for ATharva, cause of the way she behaved with Aditi and Bhoomi.

She was hell-bend on punishing Aditi and Bhoomi cause they supposedly murdered her sister. So her dialogue of saying that, 'it is her sister that died naa, so its ok, and she will take back the case' is the biggest black mark on Vividha. Even bigger then marrying Ravish and ruining his life.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Brilliant Post Wish👍🏼

You have pointed out & clarified all the things very well. Mental illness itself is a very sensitive issue & it should be deal very properly. Makers have not done enough research on this topic & the way Atharav treated in the Asylum is totally wrong & illegal. 😡

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjs

I really like your topic and your explanation about Assylum and care for the patient. Till you praised Vividha's decision to withdraw the case.

You lost me at that point. Yes, i understand her care for Atharva, But then what about Aditi and Bhoomi. Had her reaction to them, had been calm and normal, I would've accepted her behavior towards ATharva's implication too. But that time, she was so so rude, without any evidence, just on the basis of one phone conversation and one sketch, she went on to insult them, calling them murderer and what not.

Atharva is dear to her, but even Aditi and Bhoomi is someone's relatives, dear to someone. Aditi is a young girl, one wrong implication would've ruined her whole life. Bhoomi also wouldve had to go through so much trauma. So no, her behavior was wrong for ATharva, cause of the way she behaved with Aditi and Bhoomi.

She was hell-bend on punishing Aditi and Bhoomi cause they supposedly murdered her sister. So her dialogue of saying that, 'it is her sister that died naa, so its ok, and she will take back the case' is the biggest black mark on Vividha. Even bigger then marrying Ravish and ruining his life.


@Bold: I agree! Because it was her sister who died, she wanted to get Ravish's sister convicted! But because it was her sister who died she wants to withdraw the case because Atharva is getting implicated?! What justice will that serve to her dead sister! As her sister rightly told her, V is extremely selfish here... Forget selfishness! I accept all people are selfish! Here what she said is a very big blot on her character! So much for being the FL!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Wish🤗
I'm so happy to see your post!

I know how you feel about the mental illness track, and that it's not easy for you to watch. As for the way a mental asylum is depicted, I pretty much predicted that that is exactly how it will go down in the show with Atharv being given shock treatment by an evil warden. It's the textbook Indian soap scenario.

But I loved what you said about Vividha(our favourite), and why she withdrew the case, and agree with everything you said. Atharv is not only her priority, he is her life, she knows him better then anyone else does. She knows that he can never kill her sister so to her he is innocent. And so if it's a choice of keeping an innocent out of jail or pursuing justice for her sister, she will choose the former, especially as it concerns Atharv. Like you said, once Atharv is safe, she can continue investigating her sister's death.

And baby Atharv is exactly that. A baby. He will believe anything you tell him as he did when he was told he is going on a picnic. Bhoomi and Additi are adults who can explain away their situations, can give themselves alibis and defend themselves. Baby Atharv can't and that's why Vividha is defending him and willing to do anything, even if it means postponing justice for Guddi. When it comes to Atharv, Vividha is selfish in his love and that makes their relationship even more intense.

And I love your last line! So often I find myself struggling to define ViTharv's relationship. Do we call them soulmates, eternal lovers, kindred spirits. But we can't define their relationship because they are all of that and so much more. They cannot be labelled.



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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjs

I really like your topic and your explanation about Assylum and care for the patient. Till you praised Vividha's decision to withdraw the case.

You lost me at that point. Yes, i understand her care for Atharva, But then what about Aditi and Bhoomi. Had her reaction to them, had been calm and normal, I would've accepted her behavior towards ATharva's implication too. But that time, she was so so rude, without any evidence, just on the basis of one phone conversation and one sketch, she went on to insult them, calling them murderer and what not.

Atharva is dear to her, but even Aditi and Bhoomi is someone's relatives, dear to someone. Aditi is a young girl, one wrong implication would've ruined her whole life. Bhoomi also wouldve had to go through so much trauma. So no, her behavior was wrong for ATharva, cause of the way she behaved with Aditi and Bhoomi.

She was hell-bend on punishing Aditi and Bhoomi cause they supposedly murdered her sister. So her dialogue of saying that, 'it is her sister that died naa, so its ok, and she will take back the case' is the biggest black mark on Vividha. Even bigger then marrying Ravish and ruining his life.


Just a few things..

1) I did not praise her. I empathized with her. HUGE difference.

2) What you said about Aditi/Bloomi pretty much proves my point. Despite them getting accused, they were immediately acquitted. Why? Because they got to explain their side of the story and the matter was dropped.
But baby A does not have that luxury. He cannot explain his side of things. Which is why he got dragged off to the asylum because no one (including Vivi who was not allowed to) stood for him.
And if we're talking fairness, then why did Ravish not defend his "brother," the way he did his sister and sis-in-law? Why this sautela behavior? Isn't he the one who keeps saying that baby A is his responsibility? As an army man, does he truly believe that those fingerprints are evidence enough or does he simply not care enough?

3) Her 'it's okay' dialogue doesn't mean she's saying it's okay her sister died or that it's okay for her to not get justice. It just means that Vivi is saying this gives her the authority to make such a decision. And allows her to handle the situation in her own way. Rest, the thought process behind the decision etc., I have already explained in my post, but you are allowed to perceive/interpret her words however you like. 😆

3)Most importantly, you are totally free to disagree with me or to dislike Vividha. I absolutely did NOT make this post to defend her actions, including the forced marriage decision. I do not think they need defending. I am merely presenting an alternate view because these truths needed to be stated too.
However, I strongly oppose labeling Vivi's (or for that matter any character's) behavior as right/wrong or black/white. Arre, who gets to decide that? Your opinion is just as valid as mine, so the only thing we can do is agree to disagree. Human behavior is subjective, so why not try to avoid being judgemental if we can. 😛
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Nice post! The CVs are too lazy and it is clearly seen in almost everything about Phase 2. The way they have so carelessly depicted such a serious issue and today's episode was just absurd! It's like they wanted to portray everyone in the Asylum as evil!

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