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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Hiphop_R

Yes Annujam...as u rightly said..another spur of the moment decision of getting engaged to Dr aman..so now who is responsible for dat?? whatever said and done..although we dont want aman in the picture...but ragini has been unfair to him also..you use him when u want and throw him when u want..and when u know dat besides neil dere can be no one in ur life??? she has lost out on a gud friend also...So now be ready for the consequences also


Okay Ragini is at fault ... what more do we need to say?


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Posted: 10 years ago
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I just want 2 say dat all dese so called stupid decisions dey make at d spur of d moment should b stopped dat only ruins people's lives..yes but one decision dat dey should take at d spur of d moment will take dem ages ie their unison...both need 2 let go off their ego's..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Hiphop_R

JB...agreed to sum of your points...but if you tell me dat ragini does not take decisions at the spur of the moment...i totally disagree...and it needs to be changed big tyme...60%- Ragini and 40% -Neil...and dere are examples dat u mentioned.Firstly talking abt the most renounced apology where ragini admits her mistake about doubting Neil's loyalty...Yes she did admit...but conveniently forgets to trust neil when ronnie throws an accusation...she immediately tells neil "I dont trust you" and walks out like we dont meet again... is dat not a decision at the spur of the moment..ok not at dat moment..but later should you not give neil a chance to defend himself...if he had not bothered to clear it out...dey were on the verge of committing another mistake..again a separation..is dat so easy.. just to walk out of each other's lives without thinking about the kids..so wat happens to the renounced apology...so its so easy for another person to ruin ur married life??? Secondly talking abt the aarav issue...how can it not be another at the spur of the moment decision..r u serious??? My son has gone to jail..and wat do i do for him..tell my ex husband to go back..fine but wat abt ur other kids..no consideration whatsoever...and i get engaged and try to move on in life...all dat im sayin is a decision sumwhere made so hastily...will make matters only worse..neil made a mistake and ragini screwd it up royally...aarav's life could have been saved from being ruined..so if a person has committed a mistake..wat will you do??? keep on taunting him till the end instead of finding a solution.

Next cumin to ragin's self respect...yes here i would blame Neil-70% and Ragini-30%...neil has to stop blaming ragini for evrythng and acknowledge his mistakes as well..and he got it right yesterday.. ragini has totally ruined neil and her relationship status in front of aman...evrytime only letting him down and neil on the other hand does d same...so dey both need to respect each other big tyme

I'm merely saying that most of her spur do the decisions have valid reasons as pointed out yet this audience seems to forget that all of her spur moments are reactions to bold events. As for her engagement to Aman, it is not clear whether it was a one moment aspect or divided over days hence I will not speak on that. Apart from that, other events that you pointed out have solid reasons as I've stated, misunderstandings could be cleared yet she is given reasons to react the way she does.
Yet you missed my point regardless, this is not the major problem. Try to see WHY Ragini took those hasty decisions instead of analyzing their time span solely. That is the major problem.

Since you understand the sum of my points, I do not wish to repeat them. However you do not understand my main ideas, I am not arguing that Ragini does not make hasty decisions in the spur of the moment, rather I am arguing why she makes them and that too with concrete reasons.

-as for the renounced apology, you do realize that Neil yet again hid the fact from Ragini about his incident with roopali. Therefore that page of information enforced her first decision and even then Ragini eventually agreed and reasonably only asked for his honesty in return.
-again the court decision had good reasons behind it which I already stated.
Why she told Neil to leave is also explained and they were not married, be it lovers she realized their parental methods were far from compromising and made a decision which was reasonable. Thinking along her lines, why should she marry someone again to only have another divorce again later. That is rather pitiful and cause their children to suffer even more so.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: poetic


Okay Ragini is at fault ... what more do we need to say?


Originally posted by: poetic

Okay Ragini is at fault ... what more do we need to say?


really? Someone confirm if this is sarcasm or serious? Or meant in percentages?
as for the other post by Hiphop, Ragini was despite using him trying to pay off her debts to this man. In a recent episode aagham even says that ehsaan chakaane ke liye rishta jorliya. Ragini was trying her best to return dr. Aman's favors and hence even agreed to marriage.

Ragini does not use and throw individuals out of her life. If you are referring to Neil, do remember that she had bloody concrete reasons which are already stated. As for Aman, her recent incident with Aman shows that there was little for them regardless and her favors and priorities contradicted each other.

What she decides and does are explained. Who and why she wants a person in her life or doesn't is also explained with good reasons.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Hiphop_R

JB...agreed to sum of your points...but if you tell me dat ragini does not take decisions at the spur of the moment...i totally disagree...and it needs to be changed big tyme...60%- Ragini and 40% -Neil...and dere are examples dat u mentioned.Firstly talking abt the most renounced apology where ragini admits her mistake about doubting Neil's loyalty...Yes she did admit...but conveniently forgets to trust neil when ronnie throws an accusation...she immediately tells neil "I dont trust you" and walks out like we dont meet again... is dat not a decision at the spur of the moment..ok not at dat moment..but later should you not give neil a chance to defend himself...if he had not bothered to clear it out...dey were on the verge of committing another mistake..again a separation..is dat so easy.. just to walk out of each other's lives without thinking about the kids..so wat happens to the renounced apology...so its so easy for another person to ruin ur married life??? Secondly talking abt the aarav issue...how can it not be another at the spur of the moment decision..r u serious??? My son has gone to jail..and wat do i do for him..tell my ex husband to go back..fine but wat abt ur other kids..no consideration whatsoever...and i get engaged and try to move on in life...all dat im sayin is a decision sumwhere made so hastily...will make matters only worse..neil made a mistake and ragini screwd it up royally...aarav's life could have been saved from being ruined..so if a person has committed a mistake..wat will you do??? keep on taunting him till the end instead of finding a solution.

Next cumin to ragin's self respect...yes here i would blame Neil-70% and Ragini-30%...neil has to stop blaming ragini for evrythng and acknowledge his mistakes as well..and he got it right yesterday.. ragini has totally ruined neil and her relationship status in front of aman...evrytime only letting him down and neil on the other hand does d same...so dey both need to respect each other big tyme

One more thing Hiphop, go to the first post and you will see that I never argued that Ragini does not take decisions in the spur of the moment but why she does and I give evidence for each.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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What I cannot understand is why are some of us viewers bent upon saying how difficult it was for Ragini to bring up her children alone???
In this day and age??

I am in my late 50s and have been a single mother for years. I am a professional and have had my in-laws with me just as Ragini has always had her mother and nani and sunny with her.

Ragini was a medical student and then completed nursing as per the story, and now is in hospital administration!!

Ladies are strong and have the ability to stand their own and face the world!!

Why talk about how difficult life is??

I lived the major part of my life in India and after making a life for myself there moved to the west a decade ago and can proudly say I have done well here too.

And, I proudly say, I am a single mother!!

Do not belittle the strength and ability of single mothers by constantly harping upon how difficult it was for Ragini as a single mother!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Rishab...I absolutely salute you and hats off 2 u..
I had actaully decided that i wont argue on this topic anymore but JB and poetic have brought up sum points which i really fail 2 understand...wat a way of defending a person...amazing...Firstly i know wat the topic is all about and the reason dat i stated "decisions taken at the spur of the Moment" although not related to the topic is of very big importance cos dis has been the evil cause of all problems..d situations...mess and blunders dat the two along with their kids are into is becos of those so called stupid..hyper and egoistic decisions and they will realize it very soon. If the decisions would have been different.. dont u think things would have been different for all of them..dey have to understand its not abt the two anymore..dey have kids involved...and yes if they had genuinely found new partners..its a different story altogether..so how can you ignore such an important point...just becos it is ragini whose has been making these decisions more than neil???..im absolutely confident dat if neil had to make these decisions he would have been slammed left..right and centre...why dese kind of double standards??? Secondly cumin to Aman and her relation ..wanting to move on is not a mistake...its a good thing in itself..but why are you doing it??dat will hurt the person even more..he was ready to continue as a friend and above all wat a timing to do all of dis..and den u expect ur son to cum and hug you..imagine when aarav does not realize all d gud dat ragini has done for him all these years...so wat can u expect from him after the jail fiasco??? Again if Neil would have done the same...solid bashing again...so why are two individuals mistakes looked upon differently..just becos one is a male and the other a female..if a female cries does not mean that she is always right..and similarly if a male keeps yellin and screaming or blaming and accusing...it does not mean he is right and dis is clearly for neil and yes he will also realize it soon...Now cumin 2 a very interesting matter becos of which i was actually forced to write this post "Renounced apology" The argument is dat neil yet again hid the fact from ragini...fine agreed...now answer me if any of us would have been in ragini's place..what should have been your first move as a matured individual i suppose after 15 yrs..yes u would get angry..but den wont u give ur fiancee atleast one chance to explain when he is trying to tell u sumthng..or u just tell him to go away...now in dis case neil and roopali were in the same room..but tell me sumthing if ronnie was just lying and dere was really nothing to the matter..den wat?? so ragini has already taken her decision irrespective of wat neil says or does and den yet again u guys defend dis kind of actions??So wat is the point of dis renounced apology when u dont mean it.Ok u can say dat the creatives have butchered it... but defending dis kind of action is really not done. Now if the same thing had to happen to ragini and neil would have believed him..wat we would say..dat a husband should trust his wife???den why can a wife not trust her husband?? So somewhere dere are individuals male/female who are really insecure and dont trust their partners at all and this has been ragini's biggest flaw and weakness right from the tyme she got married becos she had dis cassonava image about neil..d insecurity and mistrust which she has to work on big tyme.This character weakness only brings to light that whether a male or female...trust is a very important part of evryone's lives and we cant ruin relations just like dat. Neil and ragini both have flaws but jb and poetic...u just keep defending her actions...if u say dat ronit as an actor makes us ignore his mistakes..den ur doin the same with pallavi as ragini...
Edited by Hiphop_R - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@ Hiphop_R

Thank you for your reply to my post and for appreciating!

More than these apologies to each other, it is the introspection into themselves that we need to see, and the conscious decisions made by both Neil and Ragini to change their love for making these rash, illogical, spur of the moment announcements to each other and any and everyone around them.

Love is there between them, but it so quickly takes backseat to this insecurity and lack of trust between them.

Ragini needs to step down from her 'holier than thou' attitude that she carries like a chip on her shoulder and stop throwing this sentence at Neil of how difficult it was bringing up children on her own and how he was not there for them...

Really??? Look in the mirror Ragini... You were not there for the children with Neil either!!!!

Theplaben (I love the name) was so right to finally point out to Ragini as to how bitter she had become over the years and how her life was a direct result of that bitterness.
Edited by rishab - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Rightly said rishab...and really hats off 2 single parents who bring up their children. But sum of the viewers are using it as an excuse by defending sum of the wrong actions...by bringing up a child single handedly does not mean dat individual is flawless...in dis case both neil and ragini are at fault...u cannot clap with one hand..so sumwhere its a lesson for us viewers also...dat sum wrong decisions can ruin so many lives together and we should avoid doing it
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I don't think anyone who is defending ragini is making any excuse for her wrong decisions... the problem that most of us have is with the show trying to make everything as only her mistakes... Nachiket gets away scot free or is considered as being not to blame in most cases... Hiphop .. it was not shown that she always had a problem ... in fact ragini even tells dimpy /karan that she was not the kind of wife who looked at everythign doubtfully... this is a dialogue in the flashback that I remember... however Neil just left the kid he was feeding, did not tell anything to anyone and went off with his ex girlfriend who was the one long term girlfriend he had... and then he considered his word to that friend to be more important than his wife and family... he also did not trust his wife and she did not take any decisions... she asked for explanations which he was unwilling to give... but even now he never acknowledges anywehre that it was his mistake... he, his sister and half of the children keep dhindora peetofying that it was ragini's fault even now! that is where most of us have a problem... accept that it was both their mistake and not ragini's alone... and when other people or he himself talks about it talk about it with that humility that it was both people's mistake and not one person's... similarly... when Ronnie came and said all that also she asks Neil... but Neil just keeps quiet when Ronnie says the two had met... and if I remember that part correctly, ragini's problem was that even then Neil did not tell about this meeting even after all that... that was her problem.. not that she believed he did something... once trust on a person is lost ( thanks to Neil lying while being in a hotel room with Roopali that he is in a conference)... it is difficult to rebuild that trust... and if you have ever been on either end of such an issue you will understand... it takes a long time and a lot of effort from the person who was lying to rebuild the trust... which is why trust is something that should not be abused... and then he did the same thing again when Arav's issue came...
Things would have been simpler for Ragini if she had not made aman anything more than a friend... but the way things are being said now about making aman wait... it sounds like 15 years he has been waiting... but it is only the last 8 months or less than that where she told him that she will marry him but she cannot love him... here also she was quite clear about that... I am not saying it was a right decision... but she probably felt indebted to him... and that is an issue... Mind you I am still not saying it was right...
But the show and half the people on the show never say anything about Nachiket... Nachiket himself never accepts that he has any short fall... it is like if ragini goes away from everyone's life they will all be happy... she is the one panauti in everybody's life... that is the problem... the same way as Ragini's mistakes are highlighted and drilled into her by everyone and their dog, why not do the same thing with the same harshness to Neil? Just because he is a people pleaser except with Ragini, he gets away with everything that he does? He always believes the worst about Ragini... how come no one has problems with that! Along with the fact that it is a butchered story now... this is something that me and may be a few others who try to see things from her POV has a problem with... while every problem of ragini's has been brought forth and she has been bashed and beaten to death by everyone around her... it seems like Neil is the great husband who did no wrong and just for loving ragini is getting punished!

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