So now..its all fair..I guess so

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ok..last nite's episode was d final showdown between neira and now I guess d tit for tat game is over..both r at fault..need 2 keep ego's aside and stay united for ur kids..now whether anyone agrees or not..whatever maybe d situation dis tyme if ragini tells neil 2 get out of her life without thinkin...seriously man..dat will b d end..cos d frustration and pam & neil constantly blamin ragini is not for d actual problem but for ragini takin decisions at d spur of the moment..just tellin dem to cum when she wants and tellin dem 2 leave when she wants...it has spoilt all their lives..and for those sayin dat neil does not respect ragini..bullshit..he does..but yes he has 2 apologise for certain things which he will do and so will she..I want ragini 2 express her luv for neil like she expresses her anger and as for neil he expresses both d things at d same level..lol

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Starting from the title:
-Everything is not fair. Ragini is still in the spotlight and while her verbal lashing did to an extent express Neil's fault, the fact whether Neil understood them or not still remains in question. So far Neil has shifted the entire heap of blame solely on Ragini and did little to understand his own faults while Ragini at numerous times admitted them and openly conversed and understood them (making several attempts to fix them as well). The most renounced apology being where she acknowledges her mistake with doubting Neil's loyalty and the second time considering the situation with Ronnie decides to trust Neil and asks only for his honesty in return (which she is denied). However with Neil only a measly one line apology is delivered and that too insincerely as evident in recent episodes where he once again shifts the entire blame of their divorce to Ragini. Neil is a man living in denial who still does not acknowledge or does little to admit his own mistakes. Just because Ragini stood up once today as oppose to the number of accusations Neil has delivered to her does little. Neil in response says to her, "tum samjhoge nahi!". Ragini defended herself and this verbal lashing was once again in response to Neil's accusations. As well, Ragini delivered actual TRUTHS regarding him instead of blind accusations and hence this does not balance out the exchange of insults. One understands and one doesn't, one is extremely pushed to the edge while one has just received the taste of the bitter side. Neil has to understand the insults, not merely feel they are empty less. We can't have one person crying and admitting faults while the other one walks like a saint.
I'm not saying there should be continuous insults but so far to retain balance in this system, these things have to be cleared:
-Ragini's innocence in the whole Pam-RK-Devika scenario. (For the love of god someone ask RK)
-Ragini's innocence in the police statements which were altered by both nivedita and the policeman.
-Ragini's innocence in butchering Neil's reputation through social media, (press, interviews, etc)
-Ragini's innocence in persuading aagham to stay with her (before anyone comments that Ragini blamed Neil for persuading Aarav, that is to an extent true because Neil said to Aarav it's all your mothers fault that you were in jail for so long.)

These main topics which caused this hostile behavior towards Ragini has to be cleared first and all accusations and blames have to make sense. One can't speak truth and the other meaningless accusations.

Now moving to the post in itself:
You sated that Neil and Pam blaming Ragini for everything is not the problem. Are you serious? That is the major problem! Ragini makes decisions in the spur of the moment, you find that to be the huge problem?! In all of Ragini's major decisions as including separations, she had VALID and STRONG reasons.

-divorce-the belief that her husband had an extramarital affair and due to the lack of a proper response agreed to divorce. Disloyalty is very reasonable to file for divorce and it wasn't in the spur of the moment, rather over days where Neil had yet not cleared the misunderstanding but delivered his own accusations about her being the cause for roopali's death (which we still don't have an apology for)
-second separation when she tells Neil to return to the u.s, Neil was literally responsible for putting Aarav behind bars. Aarav's entire life was ruined and before you say Ragini could've asked for help from him, remember that no dignified woman would ask help from the same man who is responsible for her child's horrible condition. As for appealing in the Supreme Court or other options, keep in mind Aarav threatened to kill someone and that too in a public place with a gun (thought it may not be his) in the moment had committed a grave act and some sort of punishment was inevitable. Neil was responsible for this carelessness on his part not to mention the consistent dishonest portrayed as a lover. As evident, Ragini made a decision that had concrete reasons.

As to now, while it may sound bitter and contradictory to the overall picture but why would Ragini say yes to Neil. This man has not as so much as apologized or see his own wrong doings but continues to blame and mock her. If she easily agrees to marriage, she would lack in self respect and dignity and would just be a disgrace to her strong independent character. While you may say he does love her, love is not enough for a relationship where both trust and respect is missing.

Yes I'm aware that you have called the overall statement that Neil not respecting Ragini is "bullshit" however actions speak louder than words.
Neil

-does not respect ragini's sacrifices of her own dreams as a doctor for his future success
-blames her solely for their divorce
-blames her solely for Aarav's condition
-blames her solely for Nishi's condition
-tells her she is a bad mother on repeat and her children's lives are ruined because of it without any mention of his own faults.
-who can forget the public humiliation at the twin's birthday party where he not only insulted her as a mother but as a woman. (Before anyone says that ragini too has insulted him in front of Aman, please remember that it is dominantly Neil who has taunted Aman first for his own pleasure as he admitted in a recent episode and Ragini being Aman's fianc found it obligatory for her to defend him)
-the recent taunts
And the list just goes on and on and I'm sure other members and avid watchers will find even more in the recent episodes.

I will not say that Neil has never respected Ragini but I will say is that Neil's respect for Ragini has dramatically declined. He has truly in the sense disrespected her on numerous occasions without any apology while Ragini has apologized to him for her rude behavior several times, (where they go to retrieve Nishi's medicine away from the farmhouse and they take a lift on the way home where Ragini apologizes to him) and ( when he is suppose to be leaving for the u.s. but Ragini comes to him at night and expresses her discontent) or when they make up and Ragini expresses her behavior towards her children and him. There are several other small moments where Ragini openly admits and apologizes yet again the audience barely has anything from Neil.

While you are upset that Ragini does not express her love for Neil, Ragini understands, apologizes, admits her mistakes and faults far more times than Neil has done
and I rather have a character who is accepting and fixing themselves as oppose to a character simply living in denial and claiming to love.

When all these mistakes and misunderstanding are recognized, redempted, cleared and apologies are delivered from both sides, truly in the sense it would all be fair then.


Edited by JB-US - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Agree with you JB..
All is not fair indeed.. Nachiket is still very much the pigheaded man that we all feared he had become. The sensitivity and respect for Ragini is lost somewhere.. I am sure he has not lost it forever but it hardly comes to the fore nowadays. How I wish Nachiket would once acknowledge the struggles Ragini went through as a single mother in an unforgiving society like India..

But alas..

I think we'll get to see all this only in the coming episodes when them being forced to live together will make sure Nachiket gets his much needed dose of empathy!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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And this is what troubles me.
For someone so worldly like Nachiket, not realising Ragini's struggle and pain is a big step backwards to their relation.

People fall out of love, they fight their way back sometimes. But to stop respecting is a big gap in their relationship, Until and unless they do it, they can never start loving each other. It will be a half-hearted effort then.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: poetic

And this is what troubles me.

For someone so worldly like Nachiket, not realising Ragini's struggle and pain is a big step backwards to their relation.

People fall out of love, they fight their way back sometimes. But to stop respecting is a big gap in their relationship, Until and unless they do it, they can never start loving each other. It will be a half-hearted effort then.


Yes..

and her strong front (she wiped her tears away even yesterday) just reaffirms the cold-detached image of Ragini that he seems to have created in his mind.. they need the vulnerability back..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Right or Wrong ...everyone was justified and had a point ..be it Pam, Neil , Ragini and Aman ...at their own level they were right but what is wrong is especially with Neil and Ragini and their timing to do "Blame Game " which despite everything, they fail to learn from it ..!!!😕
The story n screenplay has not till now shown them to come out of the rut and learn and move on ...!!!
Hopefully , with this turn of events they realize their mistakes which has affected their own n their kids too ..!!!
Although the statement of Ragini " that Neil has destroyed her life and he is a curse on her " was way overboard😲😲 but I guess everyone's taunts and being blamed for it got the worse of her and she also as usual blamed Neil for her misery ...!!!
Neil n Ragini ki Misery ka musical chairs ...!!! To CONTINUE..!!!😆😆

Although loved the convo between Ragini n her mom regarding her decision to break the engagement ...!!!
It was touching to hear her admit that she destroyed his life like her own ...!!! Always wanted this aspect of Ragini , ethical, reasonable , wise , grounded human being to be on the forefront ...!!!

Edited by Annujam23 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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JB...agreed to sum of your points...but if you tell me dat ragini does not take decisions at the spur of the moment...i totally disagree...and it needs to be changed big tyme...60%- Ragini and 40% -Neil...and dere are examples dat u mentioned.Firstly talking abt the most renounced apology where ragini admits her mistake about doubting Neil's loyalty...Yes she did admit...but conveniently forgets to trust neil when ronnie throws an accusation...she immediately tells neil "I dont trust you" and walks out like we dont meet again... is dat not a decision at the spur of the moment..ok not at dat moment..but later should you not give neil a chance to defend himself...if he had not bothered to clear it out...dey were on the verge of committing another mistake..again a separation..is dat so easy.. just to walk out of each other's lives without thinking about the kids..so wat happens to the renounced apology...so its so easy for another person to ruin ur married life??? Secondly talking abt the aarav issue...how can it not be another at the spur of the moment decision..r u serious??? My son has gone to jail..and wat do i do for him..tell my ex husband to go back..fine but wat abt ur other kids..no consideration whatsoever...and i get engaged and try to move on in life...all dat im sayin is a decision sumwhere made so hastily...will make matters only worse..neil made a mistake and ragini screwd it up royally...aarav's life could have been saved from being ruined..so if a person has committed a mistake..wat will you do??? keep on taunting him till the end instead of finding a solution.
Next cumin to ragin's self respect...yes here i would blame Neil-70% and Ragini-30%...neil has to stop blaming ragini for evrythng and acknowledge his mistakes as well..and he got it right yesterday.. ragini has totally ruined neil and her relationship status in front of aman...evrytime only letting him down and neil on the other hand does d same...so dey both need to respect each other big tyme
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Yeah !!! Ragini s spur of the moment decisions which have messed up things more have been shown too often...
Be it her decision to divorce, mistrusting again after 15 years when Ronnie says few things, ending with Neil after Aarav s arrest , getting engaged with Aman and recent one of fixing the marriage date in reaction to Neil s taunts...and Neil too in reaction to hurt given by Ragini walks off as if he has no responsibilities or liabilities..!!! Top of it taunting Ragini and Aman time and again when it was not required and non of his business ..!!!
Hope this TIT FOR TAT and " EVERY ACTION HAS EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION " WITH Neil And Ragin n their immature ways ends and we have agreements and arguements in more matured and discreet fashion ...!!!

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Annujam23

Right or Wrong ...everyone was justified and had a point ..be it Pam, Neil , Ragini and Aman ...at their own level they were right but what is wrong is especially with Neil and Ragini and their timing to do "Blame Game " which despite everything, they fail to learn from it ..!!!😕

The story n screenplay has not till now shown them to come out of the rut and learn and move on ...!!!
Hopefully , with this turn of events they realize their mistakes which has affected their own n their kids too ..!!!
Although the statement of Ragini " that Neil has destroyed her life and he is a curse on her " was way overboard😲😲 but I guess everyone's taunts and being blamed for it got the worse of her and she also as usual blamed Neil for her misery ...!!!
Neil n Ragini ki Misery ka musical chairs ...!!! To CONTINUE..!!!😆😆

Although loved the convo between Ragini n her mom regarding her decision to break the engagement ...!!!
It was touching to hear her admit that she destroyed his life like her own ...!!! Always wanted this aspect of Ragini , ethical, reasonable , wise , grounded human being to be on the forefront ...!!!


@ Bold 👏

This is what I wanted to see as well. She did well. She thought maybe that she could move on, but it was good to know that she realised that she is in a much deeper mess.

But one more thing, she did not ask him to wait for 15 years
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Yes Annujam...as u rightly said..another spur of the moment decision of getting engaged to Dr aman..so now who is responsible for dat?? whatever said and done..although we dont want aman in the picture...but ragini has been unfair to him also..you use him when u want and throw him when u want..and when u know dat besides neil dere can be no one in ur life??? she has lost out on a gud friend also...So now be ready for the consequences also
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