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Posted: 10 years ago
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Kids with Nachiket - Agham, Suhani and even Ranbir never got the parental love from either Nachiket - who was always this distant father, who thought responsibility of children meant providing for their financial needs only. Nor from Ragini, they were separated from childhood (god alone knows who came up with this idea of separating children 🤢). Nor from Pam, she has brought them up yes but can never be the mother Ragini is.

So these kids today have everything - money, security, comforts of life but crave for Love. Ranbir failed as a child, his insensitivity towards Shilpa would have led him to suffer eventually. Agham and Suhani if they ever fail it will be simply because they never really got the guidance from a "parent" its more like they are brought by guardians. So ultimately all these three will only give up / fail in life for they have no proper guidance, someone to teach them real life and experience it. They are so guarded that harsh reality of life would fail them to hold fort against it.

Its the opposite with Nishi and Arav. They have immense love, support, care and guidance from mother which according to them is overbearing. They are instead craving for money, security, comforts of life which I feel Ragini has tried very well to give despite her troubles. She too guarded them from the world but also brought them up in a way that they understand the practicalities of life. The ups and downs, pros and cons and truth of life. She has told them how education is important or how being independent is important.

Had the other part of family not come to India, there wouldn't have been comparisons and am sure they would have accepted Ragini's commands and lived along and not failed. Had Nishi not got her support from Nachiket, she would have never married. Arav also would not have sensed insecurity of losing Shilpa, he would have continued to study to win her properly. They failed because they compared their lives with other siblings and felt deprived. That weak moment has led to the downfall.

We are yet to see the fate of Nachiket's children but if we they face trying situations am sure they will crumble and for reasons I discussed above.

But did you see, the ratio of love, Agham, Ranbir and Suhani have two parent figures and still crave for love while Arav and Nishi have the love of both father and mother in one and still don't care. Its true, you realise the value of things when you don't have it.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: d3c3nt

I just wish we were seeing 2 balanced families. If there was a problem kid on R's side there should have been 1 on N's side as well.

Now the creatives maybe focusing on R kids now and they may show problems on N side later, but that is just stupid. Maybe 1 track could have been with Aarav the other with Ranbir.

Here we just get to see only R suffering where N and family have no problems at all.

Again the reason could be to get N in India. If N kids had problems then N would not be coming here, so maybe as many times there will be separation we will be seeing only R and her kids go thru problems.



this is how it should have been..a balanced family with a mature kid on both sides ..but it seems only ragini is wrong and has to struggle and struggle...with all come to mock her ,make fun of her...

as ragini had once mentioned earlier she had to be both the father and mother to the kid whereas pam was the mother for the kid and even if neil was not present emotionally pam filled that void completely...besides they were financially very well off...neither neil or pam or the set of kids had to struggle for anything ever...so the environment they were brought up in was positive and warm unlike nishi and aarav's home..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks guys for openign this new thread. And I will agree with al of you.
People are different, and all kids are different as well. Devoid of a parent om each side, it was probably difficult to have a balanced perspective, but on N's side, there was Pam, who held the kids together and made herself available to them. The kdis there didn't face any lack of material comfort, thoguh they missed the involvement of their Father in their lives.

On the other side, Ragini really had to struggle to keep her family afloat. Remember she was taking care of Dadaji to fund her studies. So definitely there was nothign excess there. And on top, she has her own Naani and Mom tot ake care as well. Not an easy situation to be in.
The divorce happened because there were trust issues, and not because they stopped loving each other. Bitterness did creep in. She also realised that she was playing the dual role of a Mother as well a Father in the lives of the kids, and probably that made her so strict and unyielding. At the end of the day,s he is responsible for their lives, their present and future. That's the key point why she never thought of moving on. And of course, she continued to love N through her hatred.

There was no breathing time for her. I remember her telling N that these hectic 15 years have tired her totally, and that she never found peace.

Even there are many proper families, where the Father is more or less an absent figure and not that involved.

In such cases, kids are always close to their Moms and they do udnerstand the trials and tribulations that their Mothers have to go through on a daily basis. And yes, these kids also fight with their Moms.

Hence, the portrayal of Nishi and Arav are totally pout of line. Okaym, they missed their Father, they love him./ Fine. But how could they not think once for their Mother hwho raised them single handedly, while tryignt o ensure their future?

Ragini did tell Nishi not to get married so soon and to give it some time. She didn't disapporve of Jignesh or his family.

Ragini did tell Aarav to concentrate on his studies first, complete his education and that she would herself support him in his business.

NB has portrayed the single Mother, middle class family in a very bad light. Maybe since she gets paid heavenly for c***, she realises only the value of money. And hence here the kids with money have turned out to be stabler.

Imagine Aarav in jail, Nishi tryign to take her own life - while Ranbir goes scot free for his ill doings.

Edited by poetic - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Umm the grass is always greener on the other side. Ranbir and Nishi are both the same, the only difference is that Ranbir grew to dislike his mother coz she abandoned him. Nishi continues to love her dad coz of her happy memories of him. You always take stuff u have for granted.

The over protectiveness that Ragini showered them w led to their downfall. They never saw the real world. They were always sheltered, perhaps that's the reason. I don't know, or it is all to show us that broken homes affect the kids the most.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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A very good and much needed topic for a discussion. Great Decent!

First things first: the creative head is giving us a very wrong portrayal of a single parent with kids.

As some have already said, it is almost impossible that both kids turn out to be weak, confused, insecure and rather rude and ungrateful.

Aarav as a confused and insecure boy I can understand but Nishi's behavior and character is so not done. As the eldest daughter you expect her to have some manners, an understanding for whatever her mom had done for them and above all a support system. Nothing of that at all! The only thing she wanted was to marry Jignesh and only then she became emotional for her mother, but other than that she was just a brat. Again, Ragini as a mom does not deserve to have these kind of kids because this woman has fought against all odds to be able to make sure to give her kids everything they want and need. I totally agree that education plays an integral part in someone's life and she was absolutely not wrong about it, be it to Nishi or Aarav.
Absolutely none of them sees and understands the pain and struggle their mom had made for them. The kids are only after their own dreams which makes them selfish as hell. Ragini as a mother is much more in need of a support from her kids than Nachiket is as a father. Her journey was and still is a tougher one than his. Not saying that the divorce hasn't affected him but we all can see the outcome and results...

Even the portrayal of Agham and Suhaani is very unrealistic. Because they are also the outcome of a failed marriage hence damaged. A father who had chosen his professional career over his personal life (family) can never have such jolly kids. Nothing wrong in having a positive view on life but these two are a bit too good to be true. Do not get me started on Ranbir...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ragini:
Her kids have been brought up in a strict environment, maybe that was needed when they were kids, as she had limited resources and needed control over things. But as kids grew older she "maybe" did not realize that you cannot always control your kids and make them do as you want.

Instead of a controlling mother, she should have changed to an understanding friendly mother.

In earlier episodes we see kids cant even play music at home, she check their phone etc.

Maybe that is what made Nishi choose to marry and leave home to be independent. She is in trouble and worse off, but the controls maybe were too much on her that she just wanted to get away without thinking.

Ragini being strict, instead of discussing was making decisions for her kids, telling them or ordering them what they should be doing, instead of asking what they would like to do.

Aarav wanted a bike and she got him a laptop as that was good for him.

Maybe the way Ragini dealt with her kids restricted their ability to make decisions in time of crisis.

These are some of my thoughts on Ragini. Have to step out will come back and discuss Nachiket.

One other point which can be added for discussion:
Why could Ragini not forsee or stop he children from taking the last step.

I would think maybe she thought they would do as she has decided and she never decided they would try and kill themselves.



Edited by d3c3nt - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Truly speaking they have just not understood what single parents actually are. Instead of showing a wrong message that such parents are failure both - in sustaining a relationship and bringing up children well they should have conveyed a message that they are equally capable and much stronger to live alone and that they don't really need a partner to live life or parent their children.

Today we see so many single parents around us. In fact women who aren't married for the longest time are opting to not just adopt children but are willing to go in for an IVF procedure to experience motherhood first hand.

Does showing all this encourage them? Forget encouragement, does all this even reflect the current "REAL" society we live in? 😆

I have seen other BT shows where they dealt with single parent issues so well and that is because it did not have expert inputs from lady in question. 😆



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Decent,
Ragini had already bought that laptop as that would aid Aarav in his studies. She did tell him that he could get the bike later. Aarav did not need the bike out of necessity, he just needed to flaunt it to Shilpa.

R checked Nishi's phone because it went on ringing.

And even if she was being over bearing, the kids could always have a tete-a-tete with her. After all, R was strict no doubt, but not unreasonable.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: iamcurious

Truly speaking they have just not understood what single parents actually are. Instead of showing a wrong message that such parents are failure both - in sustaining a relationship and bringing up children well they should have conveyed a message that they are equally capable and much stronger to live alone and that they don't really need a partner to live life or parent their children.

Today we see so many single parents around us. In fact women who aren't married for the longest time are opting to not just adopt children but are willing to go in for an IVF procedure to experience motherhood first hand.

Does showing all this encourage them? Forget encouragement, does all this even reflect the current "REAL" society we live in? 😆

I have seen other BT shows where they dealt with single parent issues so well and that is because it did not have expert inputs from lady in question. 😆




The Show got screwed once NB took this up.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: poetic


The Show got screwed once NB took this up.



Thats from Day 1 😆

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