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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: arsneh

loved the analysis a lot i wanted to reaf your analysis too so will u please pm their link


Hi u can read all past analysis of DC on the DC index ..

there are 2 indexes now ... one for the first telecast or the original DC .. one for the rerun .. which is DC reflections .. the index links are on Iritz's post .. will PM the same to u as well .. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Ruby,
So glad to see you back ... Have missed reading you all these days...Absolutely brilliant!!! Love very word... Will say it again... You leave me astounded with all your connects and most of them are truly so obscure that it is only the true Johwri who finds them!!! You should change your handle to Johwri...😛

You are so right...who fell??? He had already made his promise of Hamesha sambhalta rahooga... Today just ensured that he would never let her fall again... Remember .. Teej... Sprints across the temple compound...Does not let her fall... Same posture... same grasp...Same tension in arms... Same locked hands...Again all her weight in his grasp...the only difference is that their eyes are not dueling... And he is free to let his eyes feast...just like he did at the guest house... Like you said... He is there for her always ... Remember... his hand on her head ... At the hospital ... That said more than any hug could have... It is a promise of protection... I will not let any harm come to you... You are now my own...

Love what you said about Khushi that she knew his inherent fairness...that is one of his most attractive qualities... But is Khushi aware of it at this stage ???? or does she depend on her inherent worldview...I feel that Khushi is someone who is so inherently fair herself that she trust the world to be respond the same way.. Babuji had said that she thinks everyone is like her...So far...ASR has been anything but "fair" ...

I dunno if this a time or place to discuss Mamiji...but I couldn't find 14 after I first read it... Personally ...Honestly I have a lot of trouble with Mamiji... Maybe I just did not get her... I did get that she is more complex than what she portrayed most of her screen space... She does have a complex and real relationship with Nani...DIL and MIL... Sometimes at loggerheads but when push comes to shove...always there for each other and the family... She does have fierce protective love and loyalty toward Arnav and Anjali...Maybe that is why she is so antagonized by the Gupta sisters... What if the girls had come from a wealthy family... She would never have treated them the same way... Naniji let's her disdain for Mamiji surface at many times...she does remind her of her past ... But only when provoked...
I still believe ASR or anyone should have said something regarding the two derogatory insults... I mean would you stand silently if you were there...I know that I wouldn't ...and ASR was plenty in your face with both Dadi and Nani... So I am sure he would have had no qualms about just telling her off once...just dunno why it wasn't done...

Anyway ... Look forward always...
And now will post my two paise on this episode ... Sansein ruk jaaygee... What a phrase... Aaj toh smile dekh kar Meir sansein ruk Gaye...

hey Poona ..

Thank you ...

Lets just banter now ... let me try to give u guys some food for thot ...
let me try to see it Arnav's way ..

Lets look at Arnav Mallik becoming Arnav SIngh Raizada ... a young boy looses his family in a brutal way .. is thrown out of his home ... & his overdeveloped sense of responsibility makes him step up & take charge of his Adandoned & cripple sister ...

He goes to his maternal family .. Nani, Mama & Mami ... they take them in .. not only do they take them in .. they MAKE HIM THE DEFACTO HEAD OF FAMILY ... he finally gets a sense of BELONGING .. he finally gets a sense of being IN CONTROL ...

His abandoned sister .. gets MATERNAL LOVE .. from Nani & mami ... the family embraces him so much .. that he changes his name ... he calls himself Arnav Singh Raizada .. & thats cause .. he BELONGS HERE .. HE Is ACCEPTED HERE .. while the MAllik's only abandoned him ...

Now look at Mami ... mama & nani are his blood .. but mami was the outsider .. one wrong word from her ... would have ruined these abandoned kids forever .. they would be out of their new blanket of security ... HER ACCEPTANCE of ARNAV & ANJALI.. was what made them PART OF A FAMILY .. A FAMILY .. which these 2 kids wanted & craved ...

Now cut to present times ..

What did Mami do to Khushi ... beyond calling her Phatti Sari & being sarcastic .. wasnt mami sarcastic with every one .. accept AKASH ... her intro epi .. she tells SHUT UP to her own husband 2 times ...

Now ... did she mean mallice .. did she torture KHUSHI ever ... NO ... but yes she was RUDE & called her Phatti sari .. now for a moment think ..ONE WORD from Arnav reprimanding mami would break the family UP completely ..
Go to the episode of Payash marriage declaration .. couldnt Arnav just stand up & say I want Akash to marry Payal .. that would be the end of it for Mami .. but no .. he reasoned with her .. he played on her insecurities .. he made her take the decision .. basically gave her false sense of power .. thats cause this was a family .. in a family .. u have to take the bitter with the sweet to run it ..

There was one instance when Mami was deliberately cruel to KHushi that was choka pujan ... Arnav wanted to lash out .. but doing that would be his failure in front of Khushi .. so he takes his frustration out on Khushi ( twisted i know) ...

If Mami like Dadi .. meant HARM to KHUSHI ... Arnav would've stepped forth & put her to right ... Arnav knew ... Mami was really all bark no bite .. hence he let her GO ... but dadi .. was not spared .. 😉
Edited by redwine1 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: redwine1


Thank you Shikha ...

Yep its Ruby ..

Well to answer ur question ... to be fair they did notice .. albeit late .. but if u see the episodes post Diwali ... u can see a slight realisation growing in Anjali ... its there when Khushi learns the truth about Shyam .. & Arnav is very worried about her .. his worry rubs off on Anjali .. she does for a moment pause ... note her dialog there to payal which she utters looking at Arnav ... it goes like .. "let us know when khushi is back .. or we will be worried ".... that realisation grows .. & finally on the kiss & A on the mehendi .. anjali's suspicions are confirmed ..

now for the family ... i remember on the episode when nani was introduced .. someone on DC wrote .. that Nani knew how to get things out of Arnav ... i dint comment then .. but here goes .. WELL Nani Knew MUCH MORE THAN THAT .. she knew ARNAV SINGH RAIZADA ... she knew .. Lavanya Kashyap was not the woman for him ... she knew .. KHUSHI or a girl like Khushi WAS THE WOMAN for him .. hence she makes Anjali bring Khushi home ... she actually manipulates Anjali into bringing Khushi to Shantivan ...

Now to M's ... i think mama & mami definitely knew ... Mami specially .. hence her adverse reaction to Khushi .. she saw the 'attraction" khushi posed to a man like Arnav .. her innocence was the draw ... hence mami's constant need to 'belittle" the Gupta Sisters ...

But having said all this ... Arnav & Khushi always FOUGHT in the presence of FAMILY ... their softer moments were always in private ( not that there were 2 many) ... but the biggest CLUE for the family was ... ARNAV REACTED TO KHUSHI .. a man not known to REACT .. was REACTING ... now when u see the episodes after Khushi comes to Shantivan to work .. keep noting Mami's reactions whenever Khushi & Arnav are at it ... Also lets NOT FORGET .. LAVANYA KASHYAP ... she was the game changer ... she was the BIGGEST REASON .. everyone around Arnav & Khushi .. could not OPENLY PUT PAID to what they felt was between these 2 ... the DOUBT in their thought was LA ...

So like Arnav & KHushi ... the family knew there was SOMETHING between the TWO ... but it was when the feelings could not be bottled anymore on TERI MERI sequence .. that the family finally puts the thot in words ...

Wow Wow Ruby !
Fantastic !
Thank you so much .
Yes you are absoultely right I did not see that way . Now I am clear
Thank you for giving your analysis /view on it. You are absoultely genius
I guess Nani always knew that Arnav will fall for Khushi in the end all she had to do was keep
Khushi around but she did not know that Arnav himself wanted Khushi around him.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Redwine, that was one brilliant analysis. Loved two things mainly 1. How you connected ASR and Khushi, both to be alpha species hence the nameless clash, if we may! It was always evident that these two are inherently similar individuals, seemingly believing/ not in opposite in things. Loved how you connected Khushi's protective nature made her hid Shyams' truth that led to be furor.
2. Anji's Saanse ruk jayengi.. not many gave the credit of this whole saanse/ emotions between Arshi to Anjali as much as you did, deservingly so. She was always an important player the way ASR thought/ did, and it was heartening to read your connection.
Enjoyed thanks.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Nice to see your thoughts ruby..
Though I feel Arnav started making amends on the trip and fall right on teej.. Over there Khushi was unconscious.. Arnav was no where near.. The same scene was done but with favour able results..

I feel Nani always knew the draw between Arnav and Khushi there is a monologue between her and laxmi... Where she says that Arnav needs to see the difference between the right girl for him and and the wrong..

Even in janmastami episodes she keeps quiet... Later on in Diwali she starts getting attached to lavanya..and let things be..

With mami it was not obvious... I really she was stumped when Khushi got married to Arnav because even after Teri meri her batti did not flicker... Because after marriage she was looking for clues why they got married.
Anjali and Nani were not because they knew these 2 had fallen for each other.. Their disappointment and anger was why elope.. When they were for the wedding.. They were hurt because they were not involved in the wedding.. They felt slighted..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: msin

Nice to see your thoughts ruby..

Though I feel Arnav started making amends on the trip and fall right on teej.. Over there Khushi was unconscious.. Arnav was no where near.. The same scene was done but with favour able results..

I feel Nani always knew the draw between Arnav and Khushi there is a monologue between her and laxmi... Where she says that Arnav needs to see the difference between the right girl for him and and the wrong..

Even in janmastami episodes she keeps quiet... Later on in Diwali she starts getting attached to lavanya..and let things be..

With mami it was not obvious... I really she was stumped when Khushi got married to Arnav because even after Teri meri her batti did not flicker... Because after marriage she was looking for clues why they got married.
Anjali and Nani were not because they knew these 2 had fallen for each other.. Their disappointment and anger was why elope.. When they were for the wedding.. They were hurt because they were not involved in the wedding.. They felt slighted..


hey Msin ...

Just some observations ... thats how i read the track ...

Do u remember after TERI MERI the dialog of Mami's ... Yeh GUPTa sisters free scheme nikale hai kya ... EK pe EK free ...???
& mama's response ... " tumhari toh Bye Bye" ...

Post wedded Sleuthing : NO she is not looking for CLUES why they married ... but she was looking for clues .. ON WHY AFTER A LOVE Marriage R THEY SLEEPING SEPARATELY ... she is the only one who is constantly referring Arnav & Khushi as the "love birds"

On the revelation of marriage ... if u see the scene once again .. mami is the one who jumps in .. TRAP TRAP TRAP ... the others are the ones asking for reasons .. she is the SOLE person in the group ( also Shyam) .. who is NOT ASKING FOR REASONS to the marriage ..

Shyam coz he knew the game Arnav was playing .. & mami coz she knew where this whole clash of titans was headed ...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi Ruby... I am going to start my post with a smiley face coz I want you to know that this is all in fun...😊... The sad part is that I do get Mamiji but I don't ...I agree with you on all your points other than the name calling...

I get that Mamiji is loud... I know she is not evil... nor are her intentions ... she is obsessed with her social standing and status and wants nothing less for her kids...Most of the times her remarks are humorous and toothless and her scoffs are sarcastic and harmless ... And I also agree for the most part her bark is worse than her bite..I do get that she is a who she is coz of her own baggage and history...and is merely doing what she knows is best for her family...

But there are numerous times when her bite does leave marks... We did see a Mami who tears the Sari and then christens Khushi "Phatti sari" ... We did see the Khatti Methai" incident...where she personally spoils the methai and then goes on to fabricate an elaborate lie...accuses them...convinces the manager not pay the girls...We did see her accuse Khushi of stealing the necklace... and then not apologize...We did see her literally hound a hopping Payal out of their house ... Accusing her of being a gold digger...( I know .. ASR had done that and worse...but let's leave that for another time...) it is her son who is pursuing Payal ...We did see her trying to break up the wedding at the last minute and accuse the Gupta women of subterfuge...Calling Payal second hand or something to that effect...She repeatedly makes derisive comments about their home... their gifts... We did see her treat the girls shabbily after the wedding... We did we her rejoice at any hit of trouble between her son and Payal ... We did see her silently cheer Khushi being thrown out of the house and being accused of being a Rakhael...

All this because she wants to be rid of these two girls who are posing such a threat to her.. her position...her status... her looks...All because she does not want her boys associating with girls from poor families... Someone so like her own self... She knows how she wrangled her way into this household... Damn if she will let some upstarts come and dethrone her... and some upstart from her side of the tracks ... Never !!! She never felt threatened by La... coz La would be another notch in her social climbing post...

If Mamiji is insecure, mean, petty, self possessed, loud, melodramatic, she is at the same time a fiercely protective surrogate mother... a unfailingly loyal daughter in law and Khushi's valued partner in crime...

It is not that I don't understand the reasoning and context behind the two terms..."Phati Sari" and "Khoon bhari tang"...Or her attitude towards the girls... it s just that I had so so much trouble with it...

Should we say we agree to disagree??? 😛
No offense meant...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ipoona

Hi Ruby... I am going to start my post with a smiley face coz I want you to know that this is all in fun...😊... The sad part is that I do get Mamiji but I don't ...I agree with you on all your points other than the name calling...

I get that Mamiji is loud... I know she is not evil... nor are her intentions ... she is obsessed with her social standing and status and wants nothing less for her kids...Most of the times her remarks are humorous and toothless and her scoffs are sarcastic and harmless ... And I also agree for the most part her bark is worse than her bite..I do get that she is a who she is coz of her own baggage and history...and is merely doing what she knows is best for her family...

But there are numerous times when her bite does leave marks... We did see a Mami who tears the Sari and then christens Khushi "Phatti sari" ... We did see the Khatti Methai" incident...where she personally spoils the methai and then goes on to fabricate an elaborate lie...accuses them...convinces the manager not pay the girls...We did see her accuse Khushi of stealing the necklace... and then not apologize...We did see her literally hound a hopping Payal out of their house ... Accusing her of being a gold digger...( I know .. ASR had done that and worse...but let's leave that for another time...) it is her son who is pursuing Payal ...We did see her trying to break up the wedding at the last minute and accuse the Gupta women of subterfuge...Calling Payal second hand or something to that effect...She repeatedly makes derisive comments about their home... their gifts... We did see her treat the girls shabbily after the wedding... We did we her rejoice at any hit of trouble between her son and Payal ... We did see her silently cheer Khushi being thrown out of the house and being accused of being a Rakhael...

All this because she wants to be rid of these two girls who are posing such a threat to her.. her position...her status... her looks...All because she does not want her boys associating with girls from poor families... Someone so like her own self... She knows how she wrangled her way into this household... Damn if she will let some upstarts come and dethrone her... and some upstart from her side of the tracks ... Never !!! She never felt threatened by La... coz La would be another notch in her social climbing post...

If Mamiji is insecure, mean, petty, self possessed, loud, melodramatic, she is at the same time a fiercely protective surrogate mother... a unfailingly loyal daughter in law and Khushi's valued partner in crime...

It is not that I don't understand the reasoning and context behind the two terms..."Phati Sari" and "Khoon bhari tang"...Or her attitude towards the girls... it s just that I had so so much trouble with it...

Should we say we agree to disagree??? 😛
No offense meant...


Hey now u guys are making me sound "narcissistic" ... No offense taken Poona 😉

I agree to Disagree ... 😆😆

This is a serial yaar ... see majority people in this forum & crazy followers of the show ... found Khushi to be the VICTIM of the piece .. to ME SHE WAS FAR from a VICTIM .. she was the CRUSADER ... in my alma mater here on the forum ... REdux .. i had likened khushi to a roop of Devi Maiya ... to me Khushi was always the fighter .. Personally i never felt the need for a redemption track ... & thankfully the makers obliged ... coz Khushi gave as good as she got ...

So these are impressions ... to me thats how the character appeared .. to someone else thats how the character appeared .. thats the beauty of discussion .. so many view points come out ..

let me once again reiterate ... GUYS pls share a contrarion POV ... without fear of ur 'behind'

My reply to ur post was based on the fact that u pointed out Arnav never stood up to mami ...i have explained that ... mami in her first appearance .. was more scared & worried about Nani .. than anything else ... yea she was insecure .. she was a woman coming from a poor background .. hence the preoccupation on worldly goods .. but narcissistic in first appearance .. yeh mujhe samjha nahi ... 😕😉



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Originally posted by: redwine1


Hey now u guys are making me sound "narcissistic" ... No offense taken Poona 😉

I agree to Disagree ... 😆😆

This is a serial yaar ... see majority people in this forum & crazy followers of the show ... found Khushi to be the VICTIM of the piece .. to ME SHE WAS FAR from a VICTIM .. she was the CRUSADER ... in my alma mater here on the forum ... REdux .. i had likened khushi to a roop of Devi Maiya ... to me Khushi was always the fighter .. Personally i never felt the need for a redemption track ... & thankfully the makers obliged ... coz Khushi gave as good as she got ...

So these are impressions ... to me thats how the character appeared .. to someone else thats how the character appeared .. thats the beauty of discussion .. so many view points come out ..

let me once again reiterate ... GUYS pls share a contrarion POV ... without fear of ur 'behind'

My reply to ur post was based on the fact that u pointed out Arnav never stood up to mami ...i have explained that ... mami in her first appearance .. was more scared & worried about Nani .. than anything else ... yea she was insecure .. she was a woman coming from a poor background .. hence the preoccupation on worldly goods .. but narcissistic in first appearance .. yeh mujhe samjha nahi ... 😕😉




There you go!!! First person to ever say what I have said to one of my friends.. Me too .. I too thought that Khushi was a roop of Devi Maiya .. And I went as far as saying that the little murti looked exactly like Khushi... Large round eyes and gora face...

I agree... How can all of us see one show be not experience it differently... More fun in different points of views ... Now that we've put Mamiji to bed ... Can we please get back to discussing my
smiling Raizada... Is sab mien unsay toh bhool he gayeh!!!
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Nice analysis by everyone!!!!👏
@redwine1-great write up!!!I feel lyk u were a creative of the ipk team..u hav put ur thoughts so well..hats off⭐️

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