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Hmmm, I disagree with you. I think that this is the right development of Arnavs character. This is the process of love. After the kidnapping track he was still ASR, did you not see how he mismanaged the whole situation? Even after professing his love for her he was so crass in showing it. If you guys think that's how it should be, then I don't agree with you. Love is not meant to be crass, Love is meant to be respect, comfort, and understanding.

I agree. They are completely butchering his character and turning him into khushi's puppet! Now, Khushi has turned into a brat and ASR joru ka gulam who has to apologize for everything he does.

Greatt post... Really want that ASR back seriouly...i have never thought dat our show will become like this:((((( isse accha toh those previous track where asr loved kushi with passion and full of intensity in it...

ASR is there but will no longer be the dominant personality. He will only come out to deal with any hurt or pain. I think we have to accept that.

I miss Angry ASR.....if this is love track then I will prefer the hatred track...at least, I can see angry ASR, Khushi...& ASR's unique style of manofying Khushi...

Originally posted by: mayad

Hi Rashmi, as mentioned before I got hooked on this show because of ASR. I stayed with the show because of a spunky girl, Khushi,, who had the ability to bring out Arnav from the dark and arrogrant ASR. I guess for me, ASR, was the typical bad boy women love in spite of knowing they will be hurt. As women we are often attracted to these "bad boys" because we believe we can change them. In Western terms ASR is the James Dean equivalent and there was always a woman out there who believed that she was the one who could tame that rebel! That just does not work because fundamentally people do not change. The good has to be there to be able to come out! Or that person has to want to change for the better.

In the case of Arnav, you have captured all that was already in ASR but it took his relationship with Khushi plus all the other ups and downs in his life to bring out Arnav! I think the one single thing that truly "changed" ASR was the kidnapping! He felt the isolation, pain, betrayal and then he felt the reason to live! That reason was Khushi! He did not know if the issues with Shyam were true of not, he did not know if she truly loved him. All he knew was that she meant the world to him and he would give his life to ensure that she was safe! He wanted her to know that despite everything he loved her!

No one suffers that type of trauma and comes back to to life as status quo. So we have ASR being put aside and Arnav emerging for him to deal with all this trauma and emotions. Before he could adapt to all these new emotions there was the drama of marriage/no marriage followed by Dadi, followed by Anjalie nd Shyam. His insecurities kept surfacing until he knew that Khushi loved him (dammit!) and thereafter we saw less of ASR and more of Arnav!

If ASR surfaced during those times I am pretty sure he would have just taken Khushi out of that house and given her the ultimatum to live as his wife, accept that they loved each other and to hell with rituals and everyone else. Reel life would not allow that to happen on Indian television because the soap has to have "drama" that will not offend the audience and Star Plus. Pity really because that would have really taken this show into the "different" category!

In my opinion, ASR is the alter ego and Arnav is the true identity! I say that because of his upbringing. He had a happy childhood until his mother died. He was taught values and love until his world collapsed and he was left parent less and home less! More than one thing happened during that visit to the secret garden that day of the wedding. One, you have ASR surfacing because that is the person who surfaces to deal with betrayal and pain. Two, you have ASR being pushed back and Arnav being the dominant persona after making peace within himself and accepting that he must put the past behind or let it destroy any chance of happiness for Khushi and ultimately himself! So ASR was gone from that point and we have Arnav! And, that Arnav has a lot of guilt because time and again the show continued to focus on how Khushi was the victim of misunderstanding from everyone .. The Guptas, the Raizadas, more specifically Angalie and most importantly himself! That guilt is still there because no matter what, like he said today, Khushi does what she does with the best of interest. She is a "pagal" but good person! And, he loves her flaws and all so he has to bow his head to her!

This is called redemption and after the redemption usually comes peace with oneself. Once that peace and self realization is achieved then comes integration of the different personalities. In real life our loved ones are part of this integration and one would often hear things like .. "you are beginning to act like ..." and the response may be .."you are right, I am just hurt right now do I guess that side of my personality came out". ... I do have first hand knowledge of this because of having been thru years of theraphy!

Rashmi, ASR is there. We saw ASR at the office scenes recently. We saw ASR in the way he got angry upon seeing her after the car incident. We saw ASR in that SUV when he was following Khushi ! Arnav woud have asked if she was okay first then get upset with her for acting rashly. But he cannot ever get rid of that side if him who comes out when he is afraid or in pain.

ASR is there but will no longer be the dominant personality. He will only come out to deal with any hurt or pain. I think we have to accept that.

I would not have a problem with the show if the writers had the vision or experience to show this change in the characters in a logical way. They never explain emotional changes. They never give us, the audience, the credit that we are intelligent enough to want more real life experiences in the shows. Rather they type cast the audience as being stay at home housewives who has to accept whatever they give us. We are not silly women. We know what we like and will demand it but we have to be united in our demands. Thus far we cannot even express our opinions without fear of being bashed or treated as idiots by our own members.

What I am missing in the show is a good storyline and the romance that comes naturally during what is the typical honeymoon stage of a relationship. The creatives are treating Arhi as a long time married couple and this brings to mind what most Western men joke about when it comes to maintaining a good relationship; that joke is men should always say "yes dear, I am sorry dear" to their wives no matter who is rightor wrong! So we went from the courting days to major drama and misunderstanding, to more family drama, to 5 minutes of the the love confession, to more family drama, to 5 minutes of the wedding and then boom we have no more nights at RM! What the... I do not mind not seeing really intimate scences, the Indian audience is just not ready for that, but like the farm house they could show Arhi having those moments of intimacy of a newly wed couple!

I am sure that if this occurred we would accept the current show and the characters because the passion in Arhi is what drew us in. That passion still exists in us and we miss it. We want it but instead we now have what looks like marriage comedy with a man and his child bride! So wifey acts like a mad hatter with good intentions and hubby gets frustrated with her and vents then had to apologize. So to keep peace and get a "piece" he has to become "yes dear, sorry dear, I love you dear!"

So for me, it is not ASR who I miss, it is the passion of the courtship. The way a man treats his mother is a good reflection how he will treat his wife. Arnav is a sensitive, romantic man who can romance a woman in style. He has class and money to do the things for his wife that many men cannot afford. Khushi on the other hand is now portrayed as a girl whose idea of romance is watch Salman Khan with a crowd! Go figure!

This is again a long post but to illustrate my opinion instead of verbalizing it takes time. I do not disagree with you I just wanted what to elaborate on why ASR or Arnav can give us the passion we are missing because they will alway be one person with different personalities on either side on the same coin!

The show airs at 10 pm in the night here and I wanted to watch it before I responded.

Take care

Maya Di

Hello maya di,

How are you???

I agree with every word you have described here. My problem is not that he is loving her and mellowed down for her or bow to her or making jalebis for her. What I am searching is the way he used to act and react. Yeah!!! CV's are trying hard to maintain an equal balance between ASR and Arnav but somewhere we are missing that persona of ASR. I am not having problem for saying sorry but the way he said was totally anti- ASR-ish. 😆. In real life basic way of reacting never changes but the views and opinions keeps on shifting with more growth and experience in life. I remember I used to be a chirpy but aggressive teenager but now I am 35, more subtle, matured and quite. It's not that I don't feel it inside but now I fetch for the reasons and then react. Sometimes when the time strikes my same aggressiveness comes out instantly, because its in my nature. Same thing I want to see in ASR too. His gestures are cute but missing his essence which was original and equally pure as Khushi.

This is an Indian version of M&B story and since I am hard core reader of M&B, I stick to this show. But I used to think like in M&B leads changes their views but their rawness never changes, I wanted to see the same here too. *Sigh* I think I should accept the Indian conversion now. 😉

@ Blue is what I am craving for right now. 😳

love
Rashmi

@mayad


I agree and appreciate your mature in depth dissection of the character. Since the quality of story telling and character portrayal has declined, It's hard to enjoy the show. They do inconsistently try to convey meaningful message, but it's not worthy of interpretation and appreciation.
Everybody was mad at ASR when he did not defend K's honor when Shyam maligned her character twice right after A's return from kidnap and Shyam's revealation last week, I think the reason was his own guilt coming in the way. The guilt of misunderstanding K and horrifying memory of contract marriage had numbed him, though CVs neglected to show that part. He knew the reason was he himself more than Shyam. He is slowly finding his ways to get out of it.

Rashmi...How did I miss this post?

Originally posted by: viv04

@mayad.
I agree and appreciate your mature in depth dissection of the character. Since the quality of story telling and character portrayal has declined, It's hard to enjoy the show. They do inconsistently try to convey meaningful message, but it's not worthy of interpretation and appreciation.
Everybody was mad at ASR when he did not defend K's honor when Shyam maligned her character twice right after A's return from kidnap and Shyam's revealation last week, I think the reason was his own guilt coming in the way. The guilt of misunderstanding K and horrifying memory of contract marriage had numbed him, though CVs neglected to show that part. He knew the reason was he himself more than Shyam. He is slowly finding his ways to get out of it.

agree to you, he is finding ways to get out of it and I am eually happy as you are but the way he is reacting in the scenes, passion is missing...that's what I wish to see.

That the mainthing missing now !!😕