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Posted: 13 years ago
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A quickie from me .. Posting mainly because everyone seems so depressed.

A miscarriage has to be the most traumatic experience any woman can go through .. Every time I hear of one, my heart breaks. Being a mother myself & going through a pretty intense 34-week pregnancy, I know the feeling of at least the fear of losing a child. My heart cried for Anjali .. But, to be honest, I loved the episode. After quite a few shaky ones, in fact today's episode seemed a balanced one with the right pace, intensifying emotions, taking the story towards a culmination. Yes, the story did take a turn none of us looked forward to .. But from drama point of view, this was a major turn.

I loved how they portrayed two parallel stories of two couples through the song sequence ..

"Mehndi Lagake Rakhna, Doli Sajake Rakhna
Lene Tujhe O Gori, Aayenge Tere Sajna"

Both the women, deeply in love, are waiting for their love.. Both dressed in their bridals, with mehendi in hand. But their love stories are not same ... While one gets the "drop of love", an embrace of love, the other gets her path throned, loses the most significant part of herself. Both are in love - unconditional, unearthly but one has got her man wrong. This one song contrasted their love stories so wonderfully ... "Ye Dil Ki Baat Apne, Dil Mein Dabake Rakhna" - Keeps us wondering on the fate of these two Goris going forward. While one has her man setting the trap for her, the other has her man stand by her. While one has her man smile to see her in pain, the other has her man to let her support him in his distress.

The moment Anjali stepped on the broken glasses, my heart went to her. Yes, she has been wrong since she ignored her brother's judgement & concern. She has been wrong for not questioning for once her husband's deception. But she is not wrong because she loves him .. She is right in her love. Delusional or not, selfish or not .. She loves her man & she has paid a heavy price today for not loving him, but for the wrongs that her blind love caused her. Love without reasons it is - in all sense.

This turn in the story opens a major question on the fate of our favourite star-crossed lovers. There are so many possibilities - their story can go wrong again but there is still hope. The one I would love most to happen is Arnav-Khushi deciding in unison to delay or back out from the marriage while Anjali makes them carry on with it. Did not Shyam say he will never let this marriage happen? He tried to kill two birds at a time - breaking off the marriage & his re-entry at RM. We are yet to see if or how he succeeds in his attaining the two objectives though in the process, he has successfully managed to kill his own blood. How ironic! He is the most selfish person in this story who is only bothered about himself & his cravings. He is so blinded in rage & vengeance that he does not even realize he, in fact, has himself lost his biggest treasure.

I am least bothered if Shyam is to enter RM or not .. He will be the bad ass wherever he is but being in RM, may actually help Anjali or at least, Daadi to have her share of doubts on him.

One last thing - the shot where Khushi holds her hand Arnav did not seem to hold her back. This shot did strike me .. It can connote different things. He might have been too numb to reciprocate which is very obvious for anyone at this stage. But as they zoomed out, the two were still together hand in hand. The way they have focused on the shot, without a doubt, it was significant. For me, it was more of to show how Khushi will always be by his side - no matter whether he seeks support or not .. Reminds me of "Peetal ka Bartan" again. Lets not worry too much .. I have faith in them if not in fate. Besides, the good will always have the last laugh.

Notes:

1) Now that Anjali has lost her baby, I wonder why there were so many twin references & what is up with the pickle jar? :)

2) The rocker was not bought for the right reason. It was to hide his mischief, his lust .. So it never reached the angel. It was tainted with his evilness .. Now that the angel is not coming, can we have the rocker show the world what it was really meant for? Just my expectation from the CVs ..

PS: Typed from phone .. Do consider the typos.
Edited by Omoraboti - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hi priya,

so glad you started the crooner. i am a bit lost really, still trying to find my feelings. of course, i have no doubt in my mind this route was not the only one that could take us to the next stage of the story. i am also saddened terribly by it, at many levels, (a woman is a senior executive in this production house, i wonder what her thoughts are). but i don't wish to go there.

what i did feel had merit was the execution, the oft used intercutting between juxtaposed emotions and narrative was well designed and the images contrasted effectively. there was the familiar ipk richness and subtlety there.

again a reminder of what they used to say in school when we were all of 10: don't laugh too much today, tomorrow you'll have to cry.

smiles/tears. dhoop/chhaon. light/shade. love/hate.

if betrayal by those you love is one of the main themes of iss pyaar ko, i am willing to explore it as long as it feels real and honest.

i will wait for your thoughts, then update here. 😊

updating.

priya, i waited very impatiently for your analysis today. it was most thought provoking and certainly worth waiting for.

but before that, apologies, i have written a few pages down, my thoughts on shyam and anjali as friday brought on a fit of wondering and wandering through ipk and its people. hope you'll forgive my not waiting for the analysis.

episode.
you are right, this is no moral science class. it is a story and it is the story writer's prerogative to take it where he/she will. if it grabs me fine, if not, c'est la vie. the miscarriage of a conception, just days before the child is born is shocking at several levels, and for a while it blanked out all else. it felt like an assault on my senses as a woman. i was deadened, and wondered how this could be shown. yet, strangely, the fears of this becoming an ekta serial did not enter my mind. not in a convincing way.

in the tv serial world if you're a writer, and a successful one at that, it's almost guaranteed at some point or the other you have worked on a balaji product. teams of 10 or more writers work on each project, it's a fascinating business, serial writing. i have to say i was not excited by jainesh's website, while ved raj's interview felt engaging. however, despite that, as i said, i didn't get a feeling of kasauti or kahani or anything like that at the end of friday.

that got me thinking, why not? i went back and watched again. i thought i saw a story teller who not only wanted trp but also to bring the story to another, and a powerful climax. it was, as the monkey had said in lion king, time. and this was the method he chose. perhaps knowing, this would be the device that most served the purpose of his tale. what supported him was fabulous team work.

as you said, the execution was perfect. like contrapuntal music, two separate voices sang in two different rhythms and tones, but they were essentially part of the same story and they grew it to rise to a high point. and delivered a heartstopping blow your mind crescendo. you would need at least a weekend to get over it.

had they done promos, no show would have come anywhere near them in trp's.

i was so happy to see that di was not adorned in bridal finery for no good reason. both for the drama of those intercutting shots and the story this was just right.

and it was not for nothing that he finally had a drop of love on his palm, or she ran and hugged him, or he stepped forward and hugged her before all. his face relaxed, his smile innocent, his eyes softened.

main mama banne wala hoon. meri shaadi ho rahi hai.

the poor boy who at long last opened the door to his innermost self, had to be struck by tragedy again. right now. for this was the perfect moment.

you have the right to work only
but never to its fruits.
let not the fruits of action be your motive.
nor let your attachment be to inaction.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~sloka 47 part 1, the bhagvat gita

karmanye badhikaraste ma faleshu kadachana. you quoted the line after that if i am not mistaken. strangely this line came to my mind too. the entire context of duty and doing it without attaching oneself to its fruits is so much at the foundation of this tale. but there is a subtle texturing. even if you think you're doing your duty, if you do not do it the just way, your action will not bear the fruit you think it would.

much as i adore their temple wedding and consider it utterly valid, there was an injustice at its conception. an injustice done to khushi. i wonder if asr made the connect: finally all he did, could not save what he had desperately tried to, it didn't bear fruit. was he too attached to the fruit of his action? i don't know, it makes me wonder about things (one of the reasons i watch the serial, never fails to make me think). is it his fault? not in my eyes. we are humans, we try, not flawlessly always. at that point his emotions were in a mad turmoil, his judgement was impaired. his character took the decision he could take, in that there was no flaw. and since then he has realised his folly, apologised, been forgiven. yet this happened. this is life, complex, not mathematically as clean as we'd like it to be. or so it seems.

for actually somewhere in this labyrinthine multi layered tale full of signs, symbols, nuance, complex dialogues, even seemingly meaningless words, a wonderful equation is coming together which will be perfectly balanced and will leave me awe struck. that's the feeling i get.

it will be interesting to see how asr will handle this. how khushi will be there for him in this and what will be her full role in the lead back to the dense past. how anjali will deal with perhaps the bitterest truth of her life. why shyam does what he does. the reaction of each and every raizada and gupta to this crisis. and the tautening of the taar that leads us back to sheesh mahal. for that's where salvation lies.

and...
the contract: i have always been intrigued by that six month contract and their two dialogues the day before she returns to rm. he: i will bring you back before the contract ends. she: nahin jaaongi, contract khatam hone se pehle main wapas nahin jaaongi (or words to that effect. and later her: i will come back but after 10 days when the contract ends... his interruption: what will happen after 10 days does not concern me. 10 days. hmmm. any significance. and was friday day 10? is the contract over? interesting bend in the love story.

gosh, suddenly so much to look forward to, not only the colour of khushi's dress.

right you are, priya, ipk is back. the funny off sense that started sometime a couple of weeks ago, just gone.

some day the smiles will return. but now, it's time for battle. because as in life, if battle has to be done, it must. without it, there is no true peace. and so a serial takes me to the heart of geeta and who knows where else. not a moral science class, priya, far far deeper than that. 😆







Edited by indi52 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Good Morning/Evening My Dear Croonies..🤗

Waiting fr ur update Priya.. Eagerly..

I have decided to be Optimistic.. Afterall... we need to smile .. How much bad it can happen (Loved it the way you said Divi...)
Im still scared fr the upcoming track.. We cant do anything.. except to pray that everything becomes alright.. So true Farha.. Yes, Anjali was in a wrong track.. She was wrong to break her chote's trust.. She did wrong not to listen..
But one fact is there.. She loves Shyam more than anything in this world. She wants to be with him.. Yday when he got hurt from the glass pieces, Anjali was bleeding still she was thinking abt his safety.. and that Shyam! he was laughing.. did even fr one sec he loved her??? As human too, He cld see her bleeding?? My heart went to her...😭😭😭 She certainly doesnt deserve this😭

@ Anjali yours too.. May be the ttrack has come so that Anjali becomes more strong.. fr Shyam's return so that everyone can have close watch on Shyam's behavior... Its needed.. Its high time.. he needs to be taken care off!!! His truth shld be in front of everyone with all proofs!! Its time that the Baby gets justice and a mother too...



Going collg nw...😃

Take Care all...


Edited by prash_t - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: GanBarunFan

Priya: your quote and pic collage and Anjali's words give me the boost of positivity I need to fare through the weekend...

~EDITED~
My therapy has been these collages..which sort of put things into perspective for me...
why are we with this serial...
Because of unique journey between two individuals,
who lived for their loved ones but were loner in their own hearts. Destiny brought them together in the worst possible way and they went through all the human emotions against each other, yet unbeknownst to themselves were falling in love with each other each conflict on the way.

Till they found themselves in each others heart.

Against all odds, against their own consciousness, they fell in love with every essence of their being.
The journey of Arnav and Khushi...which may face again some trial and tribulations but if their journey till now is any indication, they will emerge stronger on the other side of what awaits them.
So I channeled that realization into my two collages about today's episode : Love and Celebration

Here's to hope...for Arnav, for Khushi, for their love, for their journey together. Hamesha.

Love


Celebration








beautiful, gandhari. funny twinge in my heart as i looked at the individual shots of collage. how lovely that smile of his. that day also his sister was in bridal finery and he was smiling. again betrayal and darkness envelops all. if this new turn brings spirit and fire to the tale of an intense, inexplicable, yet inexorable love, and to the journey of a most unusual man, i'll watch without complaint.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi All
Thanks for the new thread priya...Missed the link...here now!!

Sorry for updating before you..but expecting Guests.!! Forgive typos ..rushing!! Don't know what i am writing..venting may be..but had to!!

Beautiful quote Priya..it will be long before he smiles again..but he will...he has his happiness tucked to his arm..who will make sure that he does..that all of them do!! this fear made me love their date..when he smiled..smiled and just smiled!!

Never in my dreams thought that I would feel this strongly for screen characters...It's a show...bloody hell!!! Trying to convince my self...talking to you all helps..

Its a story...but brings out such emotions'. My My .. how i wish Raizada women rise and kill this lunatic...irrespective of the history behind his hate...this is so not justified...it totally wasted Khushi's sacrifice, her contract marriage..Arnva's plight and pain, forced marriage, what they went through all these months..Khushi's character assassination by her love and lust..All she went through to get back her family, effort in justifying herself to Arnav and every one else... physical and mental abuse...goes on..

One move by cv's and its all gone waste...scattered ..broken shattered dream of Anjali Jhaa "yeh sapna nahin hai chotey..'humara bacha"

Do such things keep happening in daily soaps..if it was a part of the story..and they had to do it..why make it look so staged..barbaric and heinous..what can make a man turn into such a Monster..CV's pls have something concrete to back up your acts..specially this one..!!

Mou we are a ruthless bunch of girls who are super emotional when it comes to IPK..beware Mr.Writer..And PH could you not prepare us for the shock..We rent again---promote...!!

JUST MY TAKE: MAY BE I AM WRONG: But in between all naach gana and festivities- why was the cast at loss of expressions...as if Raizada living room was a stage .. characters came in front of camera..said their dialogues and merged in the crowd..then again in hospital scene..thank god for the superfine cast you have..they could carry and pull it off...Don't know may be just I felt it..but yeh I did...lack of briefing!!

A nightmare i had 2 years back..still haunts me and every time it flashes back I hold my child tight...dont know how relevant but felt like sharing:

I saw - i was in a mall shopping..went in a shop ..my son who was just a year old then looked grown enough in my dream..asked him to stay out of the shop and wait for me..suddenly there was chaos all over..a crazy-mad women had a sharp blade in her hand and was wagging it furiously, inflicting wound and cuts to anyone who came in her way...I froze in fear..but when i saw her moving towards my baby..took her by her throat...nailed her down and was literary siting on her neck.. don't know how many cut she gave me..but i dint let her go..and this dream never goes away...insecurity and fear of that something which might hurt your child..oh..Every women is strong when it comes to her baby...yesterday night this kept flashing back ...Anjali dont spare him...😡

Nothing was helping last night...'so if you talk about effect'...This show has more then that.. finally slept off thinking- Its a soap..chill...but only if it was just that..seriously i would not search for a crooner every morning..God bless Priya and all of u here.

Loss of a child cannot be undone..but may be we can rely on Payaliya for another Raizada soon. 😊and get our reason to smile..Chotey Muskaryenge fir "bade Papa" banana wale hai..hopelessly optimistic.. is it!!!😊

He asked me to move
stand on the edge of the cliff
I was scared
He asked again..
.i moved ' he pushed me from the edge and i flew...

JUST MAY BE!!!

Edited by Parsha - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Priya,,,lovely collage,,,my sentiments similar to what anji is doing to shyam in the pic,,,,,still feeling a bit shaken,,,,,

the epi reminded me of feb 10th,,,another friday when the last shot froze on Arnav with a similar dazed,shocked expression on his face,,,that day his world came crashing down,,,is it going to be a repeat,,,,??Hoping all three of them bounce back from this tragedy,,,,!!

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Gandhari,,,beautiful collage of love& celebrations,,,
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Originally posted by: Omoraboti

A quickie from me .. Posting mainly because everyone seems so depressed.

A miscarriage has to be the most traumatic experience any woman can go through .. Every time I hear of one, my heart breaks. Being a mother myself & going through a pretty intense 34-week pregnancy, I know the feeling of at least the fear of losing a child. My heart cried for Anjali .. But, to be honest, I loved the episode. After quite a few shaky ones, in fact today's episode seemed a balanced one with the right pace, intensifying emotions, taking the story towards a culmination. Yes, the story did take a turn none of us looked forward to .. But from drama point of view, this was a major turn.

I loved how they portrayed two parallel stories of two couples through the song sequence ..

"Mehndi Lagake Rakhna, Doli Sajake Rakhna
Lene Tujhe O Gori, Aayenge Tere Sajna"

Both the women, deeply in love, are waiting for their love.. Both dressed in their bridals, with mehendi in hand. But their love stories are not same ... While one gets the "drop of love", an embrace of love, the other gets her path throned, loses the most significant part of herself. Both are in love - unconditional, unearthly but one has got her man wrong. This one song contrasted their love stories so wonderfully ... "Ye Dil Ki Baat Apne, Dil Mein Dabake Rakhna" - Keeps us wondering on the fate of these two Goris going forward. While one has her man setting the trap for her, the other has her man stand by her. While one has her man smile to see her in pain, the other has her man to let her support him in his distress.

The moment Anjali stepped on the broken glasses, my heart went to her. Yes, she has been wrong since she ignored her brother's judgement & concern. She has been wrong for not questioning for once her husband's deception. But she is not wrong because she loves him .. She is right in her love. Delusional or not, selfish or not .. She loves her man & she has paid a heavy price today for not loving him, but for the wrongs that her blind love caused her. Love without reasons it is - in all sense.

This turn in the story opens a major question on the fate of our favourite star-crossed lovers. There are so many possibilities - their story can go wrong again but there is still hope. The one I would love most to happen is Arnav-Khushi deciding in unison to delay or back out from the marriage while Anjali makes them carry on with it. Did not Shyam say he will never let this marriage happen? He tried to kill two birds at a time - breaking off the marriage & her re-entry at RM. We are yet to see if or how he succeeds in his attaining the two objectives though in the process, he has successfully managed to kill his own blood. How ironic! He is the most selfish person in this story who is only bothered about himself & his cravings. He is so blinded in rage & vengeance that he does not even realize he, in fact, has himself lost his biggest treasure.

I am least bothered if Shyam is to enter RM or not .. He will be the bad ass wherever he is but being in RM, may actually help Anjali or at least, Daadi to have her share of doubts on him.

One last thing - the shot where Khushi holds her hand Arnav did not seem to hold her back. This shot did strike me .. It can connote different things. He might have been too numb to reciprocate which is very obvious for anyone at this stage. But as they zoomed out, the two were still together hand in hand. The way they have focused on the shot, without a doubt, it was significant. For me, it was more of to show how Khushi will always be by his side - no matter whether he seeks support or not .. Reminds me of "Peetal ka Bartan" again. Lets not worry too much .. I have faith in them if not in fate. Besides, the good will always have the last laugh.

Notes:

1) Now that Anjali has lost her baby, I wonder why there were so many twin references & what is up with the pickle jar? :)

2) The rocker was not bought for the right reason. It was to hide his mischief, his lust .. So it never reached the angel. It was tainted with his evilness .. Now that the angel is not coming, can we have the rocker show the world what it was really meant for? Just my expectation from the CVs ..

PS: Typed from phone .. Do consider the typos.


OMG so beautifully written!!👏
I loved how you understand Anjali's character...even i understand her character but I'm a bad writer and for me it's really difficult to put down what I really think...you said it with simplest words possible...Anjali is a woman in love...and IPKKND has already show us thru Khushi what a woman in love can do...nobody complained when a Khushi searched her husband up side down during the kidnapping track, even her husband treated her badly, called her characterless, hurt her so many times but the girl was so much in love that she forgot everything, lied to everyone and tried to bring him back...
Anjali is doing the same...unlike Arnav, Shyaam has always treated her as his true "Rani Saheba"..If a simple "I love u, Khushi" can make forget a woman what she suffered for almost 6 months...a 3 year long "Hum aap se hi pyaar karte hain, rani saheba" cannot compete with a one day's "..I trust Khushi".
But today I so wished that even Anjali could trust Khushi...I think I grow up watching too much Rajshri movies so I always try see the good side of everyone...that's y I have impressed in my mind that Anjali and Shyam love scene on the poolside (without a rabba ve in the background) when he had the soap in the hand and Anjali wet him...that little walk of Shyam made me think that deep in his heart he has a soft corner for Anjali...and one day her love and devotion will change him truly...
But today I understood that Shyaam is truly the Eden's snake, he is the devil...we enjoyed too much making fun of his funny "plans" and as always we expected that smt will go wrong even this time...but today i felt like the shepherd who used to scream "sher aya, sher aya..." and when finally the lion came it ate everything like the shyaam's plan...when it finally worked it destroyed everything, even his own child...actually no its not his child..it was just Anjali's child...now I can just imagine how she will behave when she will get the news and whatever she will do can be justified...her isolation, her silence, her tears...whatever she does cannot be discussed in my opinions, none of her reaction will be exaggerated...
What for me made this baby's death so impressing, so disturbing was not the evil's smile but the mother's pain...usually we are used to see that the mother fallS and boom. the baby is no more...but watching the mother walking on the broken glass, her bloody feet, her pain...god it killed me...I'm the first person to say to people the it's a fiction, but today I just couldn't stop myself from holding my heart while watching the scene, and screaming in my mind "PLEASE SOMEONE SAVE HER, SOMEONE HELP HER!!!"
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Priya... Great Crooner as usual... And one that's left me without much to say properly to be honest because I am still blanked out... Yes, it was a wow for sure, like IPK has maybe never delivered before - the last one might have been the terrace scene with Shyam and Khushi... but this one - it was a wow that was unexpected in some ways, but expected in some...

As a serial storyline, I guess yes, I have been expecting the miscarriage for however long Anjali had been pregnant. It was hard to watch, and it was made harder by the fact that Shyam caused it. I personally thought her walking on the glass and still searching for Shyam indicated how blinded she had become to reality, to everything other than Shyam, and it does not bode well for the future to my way of thinking. Somehow even more than the miscarriage, this disturbed me a lot.

Also I really really don't want this to be the cause of a separation between Arnav and Khushi in such a way. For three reasons primarily - one, that I love them together and want them together as a person who loves the romantic story and there seems to be more scope for a way forward in terms of story and drama if they are married; two, because Arnav and Khushi together are the soul of the show, and I feel like something like this would undermine their love which the CVs have been at a pain to develop so beautifully; and three, because then that drama will become a little more cliched than I want it to be and that is not IPK.

A soch nayi would be carrying out the wedding in a simple way, getting it over with, and then bringing about the drama, whatever it is to cause some separation or to cause a so-called hatred track. As I've said before, since they are already married, I don't want any ambiguity there. I want the world to know for sure that this girl is Khushi Kumari Gupta Singh Raizada. I know it's not meant to be "happily ever after" and yes, I don't want the show to sit in the comfort zone, like you said, but there should be something that still props up our spirits when we watch - to me that's really been THE hatke factor of this show - I just feel happy when I watch it - and I want some modicum of that to continue.

There are also three things which I want very desperately - first, that no one blames Khushi for this miscarriage, because I wouldn't be able to bear that; second, that this wedding takes place regardless of everything like I said before; and third simply that the CVs, PH and channel continue to believe in their product, and put their all into bringing us good promotion, different storylines and a continued sense of wow in everything. I loved the comparison with BV that you did in that way. I don't watch BV at all, so it was very interesting to read.

The episode did shock us all in a lot of ways - and all the actors mostly brought their A games to the table - I hope we get to see more with all of them now, especially Akash and Payal who you said so rightly have been excellent. I loved Nani especially, she's been marvellous this whole week in my opinion. Loved your take on Khushi especially, Priya - it was so spot on that I just have nothing more to say! There is a lot to her character, and so much more to see ahead, hopefully. Barun and Sanaya, and I think especially Sanaya have been just fantastic. Of course, like you said, it's back to Barun now... Looking to see what lies ahead - with a lot of apprehension, but still with quite a bit of trust and hope.

I know this post reads a bit like a rant, and quite a lot like a demand, and I am sorry - I know that IPK is still the most different show on Indian television, but never before has it made me so blank and numb that I couldn't even cry... And I cry at the drop of a hat! Also, I hope I have never let you down with respect to your notes - my posts are mostly replies to yours, never independent, and I think you know that... I know I've been off a lot lately, and have been updating late as well, and I would like to apologise to you and to the others for that as well. I will try to improve - it's been a tough few weeks but things should start settling down now... hopefully...

A song that just came to mind - it's different from the kind of things I usually post, but it's one of my favourites. Here's to hope in the face of darkness, to belief and faith, and hopefully to romance and love.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOykCYDMKBs[/YOUTUBE]
Edited by arch_nat1112 - 13 years ago
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Am totally puzzled by Shyam's motives ,,,,why is he so desperate for entry into RM,,?The absolutely callous way in which he had no qualms abt killing his own flesh& blood makes me think he has a big motive behind this,,,,guess we have another big dhamaka coming our way,,,!!!

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