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Posted: 13 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: johny05081989

well written dood loved ur analysis. ๐Ÿ˜Š


Thanks Johny. Sorry I cudn't reply to you PM... will do soon ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
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Posted: 13 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: Shwetha!

Doodz: DANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!๐Ÿ‘

Ditto on Barun. And loved how you beautifully explained what marriage means to a family.

I didn't get the khaali bartan part while watching and Hathyar, I figured Guptas meant them as a family and Khushi who would support Arnav in his war against Shyam even if R family is divided on the issue. Frankly didn't think of Babuji till you mentioned and that is an excellent point.๐Ÿ‘

Pam: Loved your take๐Ÿ‘

Anna: I lovvved how you compared ASR at RM & at GH and ofcourse the contrast between the two families taking care of him.

Sathu: Waiting for your take.


Oyeee hoyeee Bugzzz Bunny. Thanks hun and when I read your PM, I didn't even watch the epi then. But when I watched I was remembering you... seriously and cracked into laugh. ๐Ÿ˜†
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Posted: 13 years ago
#43

Loved reading everyone's analysis, great posts!! This was a really good episode, enjoyed it!

Arnav didn't let the opportunity pass him by when Bua told Khushi to feed him, immediately his reaction changed from not having to why not? Such a cute scene. Sathya interesting take on the scene, honestly couldn't read that much into it because I was just in aww over how cute Khushi and Arnav were
Arnav is really in his comfort zone at the GH, like Anna pointed out he is sitting having tea with everyone, eating, talking. Usually he keeps to himself but here he willingly likes being around everyone, he feels comfortable, he's happy. Loved seeing him water plants, joking around with Bua. Its just nice to see a more relaxed Arnav emerge thanks to Khushi and the Guptas, they've really awakened the side of Arnav that he shut down all those years ago.
Khushi wanting to get back at Arnav is understandable, she knows that he was apologizing to her but sadly his ego won't let him admit it and instead he has to upset her by telling her lies. What must have got to her more is the fact he could say sorry to Bua and Garima which once again puts the thought in her mind how he can be so loving to others but not to her.
Loved the return of the flirtatious Arnav in this episode, poor Khushi was freezing with the A/C on but Arnav thought of a quick idea to get her heated, up and moving again. Too good!!
This whole stay at the GH has been an eye opener for Arnav in more ways than one, first with the class and now with the wedding. Very well done by the CVs!!
@Doodles, I agree Barun needs rest. Hopefully he can get some soon.
Edited by .Mandy. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: Lizzy2012

Yesterday I written on how Arnav is surfacing from ASR.I used the word "love" too many times in my analysis...yes, it is love...the magic ingredient along with a dash of understanding and a dash of acceptance of the person you are ...is what it is... That's blowing life into ASR helping his transformation into Arnav which lay shriveled inside him.who is bringing th change...the GUPTA HOME(it is not the house anymore)

Let's talk about the interaction of Arnav's interaction with GH's member...Arnav 's interaction was the best with buaji...buaji's touch therapy seems to thawing ASR.he allows himself to be fed with golgappas,jokes with buaji as though she has been his mate for a long time now.He also relishes buaji's words on buaji asking Khushi to feed him.Coming to garimaji and bauji-ASR has been accepted he is largely due to garimaji...so Arnav's equation with them seems to be on a relaxed mode.they treat him like family and ASR is doing the same.
coming to Khushi and arnav's interactions... Seems like the positive energy in the GH has enveloped them too...love that is hidden inside seems to peep out... Not wholly visible by seen in flashes.Arnav wanting to be fed by Khushi...the zing that passes between them when she wipes his mouth...their awareness of buaji and garima's understanding of the moment between them was wonderful...as usual ASR denying in private that gol gappas were a peace offering was too good.I loved the kambal scene where asr was joking

with buaji and flirting with Khushi.felt the passion again between them . Loved Arnav's need to
touch
and khushi's breathless feeling.

WEDDING-the ritual that started it all.for ASR it all
but a ritual
but for Khushi a dream ...dream for a happy life shared with a mate who would stand
by her for life.ASR is given a chance to change his views on this...So the wedding is what is going to be
the break point...it is what is
going to show change ASR's views on what a wedding means to people in the lower middle
class set up...it is what is going
make ASR repent on breaking payal's marriage ? So this is what is going to make ASR realise he has
trampled khushi's dreams when truth is revealed and when the curtains open on shyam's duplicity ..so
this is what is going make ASR travel through the path Of realistion of what is invested in a wedding ...
The two E's ( be it economic or be iit emotional )...so bring it on ...I am all for this realization


POINTERS-
The Kaali baratan dialogue really was too good...indicative of ASR's big talk without
taking in the truth involved
Children with pillow banging on ASR was indicative of truth hitting Arnav
as children are one of the most honest among the people who walked the earth...
The kambal Walla joke told me that both the Gupta and raizadas would have suffer the ripples created by this shameful contract because Khushi represents both the families.

Doods-very nice representation of the micro and Marco picture...well done and keep going
Anna-good job
Shreya-good poetry
Vasi-nice portrayal of the big picture
Nia and satya- waiting eagerly



Lizzy, loved your viewpoint. ๐Ÿ‘

Yeah this track is indeed about his realization and many things. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
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Posted: 13 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: pamk06

Updated


Tanthya,

Arnav has again started flirting, the last time he did that his world came crashing around his ears. Looks like history is soon going to repeat itself. Just hope its sooner than sooner.

**Will wait for your update**

Below is my analysis:

In India from the day a girl is born, parents start dreaming about her marriage. For them, her marriage is one of their last responsibility and their whole life is catered towards it, their dreams revolve around it. They start sacrificing their small small happiness so that they can give their daughter, the lavish wedding she so deserves. They start cutting into their daily expenses, start saving, so that they can buy an extra piece of jewelry for their princess. Their whole life starts revolving around her marriage and like Doods said the other day and which is a very true statement, their only dream, their only wish is that their daughter should have a very happy and a very secured life. Marriages in India are mostly done for "Samaj" but for parents, Samaj represents blessings and parents are ready to sell themselves for all the blessings that their daughter can receive. In this quest of theirs, they also start training their young daughters towards this goal. The girl is told about fairy tales, about the prince who will come and carry her away on the white horse and the girl, in her innocence, starts weaving her dreams around her prince. As she grows older, she realizes that reality is much different from those fairy tales and those dreams take a back seat. She might change them to career goals but somewhere those childish dreams remain alive, they never disappear and in spite of herself, she keeps waiting for her prince,she keeps looking for him. She might find him,she might not but she will always keep hoping.


The Guptas were no different. Their dreams were to get both of their daughters married and to ensure that their married life is happy and secured. Their life's goal was this and their daughters were aware of it. The girls never thought of any other career because for them marriage was their only career. For them, making a successful marriage was more rewarding than any high-paying job. Thus, they dreamed of their Rajkumar, they dreamed about becoming the ideal wife, they dreamed of marriage and all the things it entailed. Payal was the more practical one but Khushi, in spite of growing up, kept dreaming of the person who will come in her life, who will shower her with stars, who will light up her life, who will be everything that she wished for. She dreamed about her marriage and wished it to be out of this world, she dreamed about the clothes that she will receive, she dreamed about the jewelry she will get and she dreamed about her prince. But alas, she was one of the unfortunate ones, she got her prince but he destroyed her dreams, she married him but not before he insulted all the things that marriage represented to her.


That prince was Arnav Singh Raizada, the man who only believed in money and power, whose views about marriage were as different from Khushi as chalk is from cheese. He believed in the institution of marriage but did not understand the importance of it in the life of some people. For him, marriage was another business deal done with some Pooja's put together instead of pen and paper. He did not understand the dreams, the thoughts, the wishes, the hopes that those few Pooja's have in the lives of the people who are directly involved in the marriage, how those few pooja's define the lives of those people and how for those few pooja's people have spend years worrying. He did not know about the importance of a "Mangalsutra" and "Sindoor" in the girl's life, how significant they are and how binding they are for a girl whose whole life revolves around this two small things. He had never witnessed and hence could not fathom the problems a Middle class family can go through while planning for a marriage and how even a small thing can result in the destruction of the "Izzat" that people spend whole life collecting.


Now, he is going to get a first hand experience of it. Today, he heard about the problems the girl's parents face, he heard about their worries and their hopes. Slowly, he is going to realize and witness the dreams parents build over this small ceremonies. He is going to witness the importance of marriage in the life of a middle class family and how, for these people, marriage of a girl in the most respectable way is more essential that breath itself. He is going to understand that for these people, its not money and power that define life but respect, Izzat, which for them is more important than life.

This marriage will be a mirror for him because this will help him realize the biggest sin he has committed against the Guptas, not once but twice. First time with Payal and then with the Khushi. He will understand how in his ignorance, in his quest for his sister happiness, he destroyed their happiness, how he crushed their "Izzat" and how he made it impossible for them to fulfill this one wish of their lives. He will know how he was responsible for taking away the chance and opportunity from them about fulfilling their one dream which was and is a very big and important part of their life. He will realize that in his quest to protect his sister, he has ended up hurting these innocent people and has committed a huge crime against the Guptas.


Finally, in due course, he will understand the importance of ""Mangalsutra" and "Sindoor" in a girl's life. He will understand that they are not ornaments but have a deeper meaning, they are symbols that bind you for life and they are not something that can be used lightly. He will understand, how he degraded these two very significant things in the House of God with words and actions and how in turn he insulted the girl who lived by them and who grew up believing in them. He will understand the importance, the purity and the significance of these things and he will repent, he has to but first he has to understand the implication and the consequences of his actions ,his crimes and his sins because how can one remorse, how can one repent if one has no understanding, no knowledge of the gravity of their mistakes. This marriage might just be one of the things that will pave the way towards his understanding of the the huge crime,sins and mistakes he has committed against Khushi and her family.



PS:


  • CV's, Barun needs a haircut, shave and sleep. He has started looking haggard, shaggard, untidy and unhygenic. In Tanthya's words, he is your golden goose, take care of him.
  • Can we have new dance moves for Khushi?
  • Barun, please speak loudly and clearly, its so difficult to understand you sometimes.






Pam, Hugzz hun ๐Ÿค—


Meri baat mani ki nehin, wait I think yeah. Loved the part of how dreams of a girl is all about and how Arnav will eat his words when he said - Tum inn cheezo ko bahut maanti ho naa???
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Posted: 13 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: .Mandy.

Loved reading everyone's analysis, great posts!! This was a really good episode, enjoyed it!

Arnav didn't let the opportunity pass him by when Bua told Khushi to feed him, immediately his reaction changed from not having to why not? Such a cute scene. Sathya interesting take on the scene, honestly couldn't read that much into it because I was just in aww over how cute Khushi and Arnav were
Arnav is really in his comfort zone at the GH, like Anna pointed out he is sitting having tea with everyone, eating, talking. Usually he keeps to himself but here he willingly likes being around everyone, he feels comfortable, he's happy. Loved seeing him water plants, joking around with Bua. Its just nice to see a more relaxed Arnav emerge thanks to Khushi and the Guptas, they've really awakened the side of Arnav that he shut down all those years ago.
Khushi wanting to get back at Arnav is understandable, she knows that he was apologizing to her but sadly his ego won't let him admit it and instead he has to upset her by telling her lies. What must have got to her more is the fact he could say sorry to Bua and Garima which once again puts the thought in her mind how he can be so loving to others but not to her.
Loved the return of the flirtatious Arnav in this episode, poor Khushi was freezing with the A/C on but Arnav thought of a quick idea to get her heated, up and moving again. Too good!!
This whole stay at the GH has been an eye opener for Arnav in more ways than one, first with the class and now with the wedding. Very well done by the CVs!!
@Doodles, I agree Barun needs rest. Hopefully he can get some soon.


Mod, aap ko sirf Barun dikha mere post mein and seriously you didn't see anything??? ๐Ÿ˜†

Chalo, aaj itne appreciation se kaam chala lungi. Par aage se lamba sa.. yeh dil maange more ๐Ÿ˜†

Btw, I loved your views. Yup, he is getting comfortable in his sasuraal.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi Doods...once again you have a done a marvellous job.๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘,
You are 100% right Barun did look very tired and he does need some rest. Maybe few days off to recoup his energy both physical as well as mental.
Coming to today's episode, totally enjoyed it. The difference between Arnav in RM and GH is totally visible. He seems to be more relaxed and enjoying than they have shown him at RM. Loved how comfortable he is now when he is conversing with Buaji and Garimaji. Last time when he came to GH was when he brought the bridal wear for Payal, he could barely converse with them. He did not know what to talk about and same was the situation with the Gupta Ladies. Arnav is seeing as well understanding the way of life of middle class people. I am sure like you mentioned in your Redux that this upcoming marriage will be an eye opener to him what is marriage all about? I am eagerly waitiing for the truth to be revealed. Arnav will be devastated when he finds out the real truth about Shyam. His reaction will be stronger than that he had when he saw the terrace scene. Now we all know that truth is around the corner, but will it be just ARnav to know the truth right now or will everyone at RM come to know about it. It probably has to because if Khushi leave Arnav without others knowing, will they not question as to why Khushi left? Or will it happen after his repentence and confession?
Other thing that has been bothering me is about Bubbly. She was making the family tree and in her album three people were missing Payal, Arnav and Khushi. So does that mean that somewhere in future these three people will not be in RM. Will the other members of the family side with Anjali and Shyam and Arnav will be the one to fight for the Guptas. He will be living with them...like he said "Kya Ghar basana hai yaha" when they came to the Guptas. I still do not understand her role in the serial. Where does she fit in the story?
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Posted: 13 years ago
#48
Great analysis as usual. I have recently started reading this and enjoy it as much as the serial itself.

I just had a couple of questions which might have been touched upon before. Many of you have pointed out that ASR needs to repent/ apologize for the role he had in weddings of both Payal and Khushi. I thought he had done the Guptas great service in this regard. Both their daughters are married to "good" jeevansathis as Garima said to Khushi in one of the earlier episodes is the only thing that matters. Left to Guptas, they had chosen a guy whose family wanted dowry for one daughter and for the other daughter even worse.

Also, once the truth comes out, wont the Guptas also need to apologize to ASR for the truth they hid, specially Garimaji who just wanted to do so to protect Payal?


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Posted: 13 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: shreya_l

Thanks! to all who liked and replied (Tanthya & Jria) what I wrote yesterday ๐Ÿ˜Š


Timir ko bhedne ki jisme hai shakti,
'Khushi' banegi tumhari jyoti...
Ab andhkaar ka na ho koi bhay,
Tum yudhh karna hokar nirbhay...

Kheer khane ka racha tha swang...
Aaj par kuch alag hi tha unmaad.
Naye swaad se hoga parichay,
Tuj do sankoch, ban jao abhay.
Roothi patni ko manane ka tha yatna...
Ya kshama maangne ka tha prayatna...
Ya sach mein reh jayega ek swapna?

Sanyam par jab ho prabal prahaar,
Samapth ho jayega niyantran.
Ghrina ki hogi vijaya...ya ab,
Satya ka hoga manthan...
Ya hoga poorna samarpan...
Samay hi lega yeh nirnay

Nice points Anna on Arnav's transformed behavior.

Doodle, the news is always full with grim reality. It is not just India...according to Hindu (today's edition) 24 Million Chinese men will not be able to find a bride for themselves all becoz parents have no dowry to pay for their daughters...and many are opting for
selective gender selection... btw nice analysis!

Vasiraju nice recap of the entire epi...

IPKfan29 Lovely thought about being on Pinnacle and being lonely...

Arhimaniac the story of the woman with stone is like a wise lesson and lovely quotes...loved the Chinese one.
...waiting for rest to update ๐Ÿ˜Š


Shreya, loved the poem. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

abt the girl child abortion, yeah it's basically in the underdeveloped and developing countries. There lies the biggest issues as not only raising them but payin dowry is definitely the biggest driver. Kya karein. I just said about the Hindu because it's about India and as my habit, I try to substantiate my view points... nehin toh it will look like I am talking in air, which I hate. What ever I write and where I write, even in presentations, I always depend on datas. Kya karein hum aise hi hain. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
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Posted: 13 years ago
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tanthya : ur analysis ๐Ÿ‘...

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