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Aisha

@asha...

Rocker

+ 3

Posted: 13 years ago

#61

Fairy...A great post...⭐️

Kudos to you for making this post..you've said everything I wanted to say but better...👏

All the characters have flaws...and that is what is special about this serial, but continuously dissecting one characters actions...hating on them..and making the same posts about them...a big no-no!!!...there is a difference between reality and fiction!!!

Misunderstanding cliched track...Cvs plz spare us the horror

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sugar_babe

@sugar_babe

Inactive

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#62

Hey Fairy,
I really enjoyed reading your post and its good to know that there is a good share of mature opinionated people who do watch this show.
Firstly, well done on the car-manual stunt, that was impressive! Although, I don't think that those scenes were particularly foreshadowing Shyam cutting Anjali's brake wires. If you remember back in December the CV's were going for the "harassed by my wife" track for Shyam, they dipped their toes in that track and boy it was a backlash, and since they changed it to him trying to kill her.
I think it is possible the CV's brainstormed ideas and stuck with the brake fails (even though it was oh-so-cliched) so it could be traced back to those 2 incidents by Arnav now.

Moving on, if there's something the CV's have done right, its being true to ASR's character. Khushi has had her tweaks here and there, but he has remained consistent. And if anything, we know his anger is his weakness, but he does have a heart of gold. I do not, and I will repeat it, I do not see him intentionally using her sexually. His character is damaged, its not that damaged. He will, and we can expect him to insult her and at times manhandle her, but he won't bed her and call her a tramp the next morning. It takes a real heartless monster with some serious daddy issues to do that. ASR's been a mamma's and sister's boy all throughout, If the CV's want to butcher his character to minute pieces, then they should go for it.

Having said that, if they do get married in the next 2 weeks, this current M/U track is here to stay, at least for 2 months, in that there will be moment of weaknesses, more for him than her, so should there be an encounter, it'd be consensual and not forced. This is a beautiful love story and the CVs are not crazy to taint it for some sick perverted sadists who enjoy watching women being used on prime time television.
How ASR reacts the morning after is anyone's guess, it can either be used to sow a seed of purity in his head, encouraging him to trust his instincts and Khushi and working to uncover Shyam. Or he can run away (much like he did on that ill-fated Diwali night), be deeply affected with how he lost control and even more affected because he made her lose control, either way it was consensual but because it was done under such circumstances his insides will tug at him for hurting her in his opinion, pushing him even more to get to the bottom of the truth and ruin Shyam.

I'm very fond of ASR's character, because they've been lots of bad-boys per se, but they've been ruined by creatives. ASR has remained true to the T and unlike so many actors who make you want to cry and pull your hair out while watching them "act", Barun has done an exceptionally good job with ASR, so I really wish they don't butcher his character.

How he reacts now is not wrong. If I walked in and saw my brother-in-law hugging another woman in a "not-buddy like hug", I'd be furious. If he was hugging my best friend, my heart would shatter. I don't think its very difficult to put yourself in ASR's shoes and feel what he's going through. His entire existence is around his family and their well-being, his sister who tops the list. For once this guy let his guard down and felt something only for it to stab him so badly, he being angry after this is an understatement. Ofcourse, the fact that Shyam said he doesn't love Anjali should show Arnav that maybe Khushi is on higher turf, but then again, he's known Shyam for years, Khushi for a few months who he's had an emotional connection with, but then what is Khushi without the reason for his existence, his sister. If the tables are stacked against her, its because of her habit of "meddling in people's lives", I'm sorry I know I sound harsh, and I see why she did not tell Anjali that day, its her innocence and naivety that believed maybe Shyam will reform. But after he tried to manhandle her on the sangeet night and tried to get close to her during the havan, she should've re-considered. But then again, getting wooed by ASR is not for mult-taskers, so oh well! I do like her character and she'll never lose that spark, because the day she does a huge part of Arnav will die. Its her quirkiness, feisty-ness, and innocence that he fell in love with, they cannot take that away. Besides, I really don't think a sad Khushi will sit well with the viewers! They will be co-dependent with the brain and heart ideology, but somewhere he will be more dependent on her emotionally.

We've reached the point of the very heartbreaking Sophie *scratch that* "ASR's Choice"!

Edited by sugar_babe - 13 years ago

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Divya

@mitthoo

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#63

Somy 😃😃😃

Right back at ya 😊😊...woh kehte hain na.. ek mahaan hi doosre mahaan.. ko pehchaan sakta hai ..instanat recogonition 😊

@TM

I usually read just the posts made by some folks and my friends and none of them fall into category you mentioned.. surprised that there were so many antagonistic posts about Khushi..

I find ASR quite interesting character.. the only multi-dimensional character sketch in the show.. hence his character makes me ponder more on why's and how's ...Khushi's character ..I root for..
I am all for this heroine and I want her to be an equal partner in the show.. ..

That said.. I do have several misgivings about how her character is sometimes presented ...it's not to take away from the actress at all .. SI is brilliant at her portrayal of Khushi.. but I feel there have been several times when she is restricted by the material and direction given to her... just for the sake of TRP's

All I keep asking is ..show us Khushi's feeling..inner monologues..her emotional journey...I would love to empathize with the heroine ..but.. these scenes have been so rare..that we are all left to our own interpretations...ki Khushi aisa sochti hai..waisi hai..vagairah vagairah..

To me... CVs have always paid more attention to ASR's character development...and seem to be as fascinated by him..as majority of this forum..

rambling over 😆😆

Now lets; bring back the blue shirt, give ASR a haircut... Get rid of Khushi's pom-poms.. and move on to this track...and support ASR & Khushi...😊 and start plotting on how to torture Shyam..

I say..lets start the discussion...who should throw first punch at Shyam... Khushi or ASR.. 😆😆
or maybe Baby Anjali... or maybe a leg-lick from Laxmi...

Edited by asr4ever - 13 years ago

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Incognit0

@Incognit0

Dazzler

+ 4

Posted: 13 years ago

#64

Originally posted by: asr4ever
Somy 😃😃😃

Right back at ya 😊😊...woh kehte hain na.. ek mahaan hi doosre mahaan.. ko pehchaan sakta hai ..instanat recogonition 😊

@TM

I usually read just the posts made by some folks and my friends and none of them fall into category you mentioned.. surprised that there were so many antagonistic posts about Khushi..

I find ASR quite interesting character.. the only multi-dimensional character sketch in the show.. hence his character makes me ponder more on why's and how's ...Khushi's character ..I root for..
I am all for this heroine and I want her to be an equal partner in the show.. ..

That said.. I do have several misgivings about how her character is sometimes presented ...it's not to take away from the actress at all .. SI is brilliant at her portrayal of Khushi.. but I feel there have been several times when she is restricted by the material and direction given to her... just for the sake of TRP's

All I keep asking is ..show us Khushi's feeling..inner monologues..her emotional journey...I would love to empathize with the heroine ..but.. these scenes have been so rare..that we are all left to our own interpretations...ki Khushi aisa sochti hai..waisi hai..vagairah vagairah..

To me... CVs have always paid more attention to ASR's character development...and seem to be as fascinated by him..as majority of this forum..

rambling over 😆😆

Now lets; bring back the blue shirt, give ASR a haircut... Get rid of Khushi's pom-poms.. and move on to this track...and support ASR & Khushi...😊 and start plotting on how to torture Shyam..

I say..lets start the discussion...who should throw first punch at Shyam... Khushi or ASR.. 😆😆
or maybe Baby Anjali... or maybe a leg-lick from Laxmi...

Divi Divi Divi... I should also add attire and pompoms to my post to attract u from now on!! Nanku too added to the list! 😆 😆

@Red: Totally agree. Female protagonists in Indian television come with a set of norms. It hasn't changed over time, may be slightly modified, i.e from what little I have seen.

Edited by nitz17 - 13 years ago

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Krani

@Krani

Dazzler

+ 9

Posted: 13 years ago

#65

Because i loved some of the points raised here so much, i have decided to link your thread on my blog! People should be aware that Khushi is not to blame in this at all! It's atrocious that people are even thinking that!!

I wonder what people's comments will be after tonight?

Anyway, I hope you don't mind! :)

Just comment on my blog if you want it removed :)

http://kgwritingparadise.blogspot.com.au/

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Angels11

@Angels11

Rocker

+ 5

Posted: 13 years ago

#66

ok lemme try & reply 2 u in a reasonable manner. i hope u ll b patient enuf 2 listen. frankly i am 1 of those that u r alluding 2 sarcastically in ur post. the so-called kushi basher. yes i am not happy with her characterization. i dont hate her. i am not bashing her. all the while i ve been trying 2 just point out the inconsistencies in her portrayal.

reg that dupatta GATE v dont care if she doesnt wear a dupatta or comes with a deep v neck which shows cleavage. i just dont care. aft all LA also sported skimpy dresses. wat v were making fun was her habit of wearing that string around her neck & then the moment that string slips & falls give OTT reactions as if she has been stripped. WE DONT CARE. v just laugh at her contradictory reactions. hope u get it.

i dont mind her harmless flirting. wat the hell every1 in college or office does that. i ve only told her not 2 get emotionally close 2 strangers frm day 1. remember there was a time wen she used 2 confide everything 2 shyam. b it a girl or a guy its not safe 2 trust a person immediately. but then ok i get that she is a little naive. fair enuf. v r not taking her 2 task. v r just saying that this blind TRUST ll always lead a young naive girl 2 trouble & that is wat has happened 2 her. ^ yeah as rightly pointed out by u & others every1 makes wrong judgments & learn 2 live with the consequence.

and who is having regressive thinking. WE or YOU. many ppl in this forum like kkg coz she is supposedly innocent, wears only indian dresses, is not v educated, doesnt know english, knows all reeti riwaz etc etc etc. many ppl in this forum dint like LA who wears skimpy dresses, is educated, was a professional, knows english, doesnt know reeti riwaz etc etc. so who is being regressive in preferring the former over the latter. saying kkg's innocence has bowled over the snooty asr. y cant the asr ever fall in love with a so-called modern, non-sanskari, educated, english spouting girl. so its ppl like u & STAR who propagate such regressive thinking dear not us. i 4 one w'd love 2 c kushi walk out of asr's life, get educated, wear fashionable dresses, speak english & kick him in the butt. but sadly this ll never happen in indian soaps.

i dont understand all this ABALA NAARI crap. y s'd every1including KKG weep & moan. i hate women who mop around always crying. yes she made a mistake by hiding the truth frm the raizadas. asr is quite justified in being angry with her. this is wat i want KKG 2 do. tie & gag asr if required since this guy w'd otherwise not listen 2 her. explain all that happened frm day 1. tell him the reasons y she dint tell the truth. apologize sincerely. tell him he can choose 2 either trust her or not. she s'd walk out with her head held high. allow the guy 2 brood over stuff. then let him go back 2 her apologize 4 being angry with her. whether she forgives him & loves him back is upto her. who r v 2 decide. let the 2 lovers decide whether they want a happy ending or a sad ending.

btw i did read those post bt trying her in court & also slapping her & i totally agree with u. i dont support those posts at all. u r totally right in objecting to those views & i am with on this!

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laddoo598

@laddoo598

Sparkler

+ 5

Posted: 13 years ago

#67

FLS brilliant post!

I doubt the CVs have thought about the whole issue with as much precision as you have..I for once think that this PH is not of the kind dig sadistic tracks..Yes, they will show ASR misunderstanding Khushi, and a forced marriage even, but I hope it will never get too dark or gloomy, so much so that the ruthless part of ASR actually destroys Khushi's essence- her childlike innocence, her ability to see good in everything, 'cause then, not only a part of Khushi, but a very substantial part of Arnav will die too since those are the very qualities of Khushi he fell in love with..

As far as the regressive posts regarding Khushi's character, purity, etc are concerned, I believe there is a very fine line between Arnav fanatics and Khushi fanatics on the forum, and there are a bunch of us who are dwellers of that very same line..😆

I for once think neither Khushi, nor Arnav are to be blamed for this mess..Its all Shyam's fault..Yes, I will admit that Khushi's lack of defensive actions when Shyam practically smothered her did not go down well with me..But I see absolutely no reason whatsoever in the moral policing that I saw in the forum regarding that one hug..Why are we even delving so much into the scene? The CVs wanted an MU track and IMO they made Khushi behave out of character very conveniently for the same..Why can't we just leave it at that? Questioning her character and integrity just because of one poorly executed scene is ridiculous!

I am not going to question Arnav's love for her either should he get the wrong idea about her and Shyam..The creep is probably going to tell him that him and Khushi are madly in love with each other..Arnav has seen the wrong thing, heard the wrong thing, and I will not be the least bit surprised if he doubts Khushi's intentions..He has always been fiercely protective of his family, especially Anjali, circumstances have made him so..And when he sees someone in the path of his sister's happiness, he will do anything and everything to rectify the situation..Yes, logically, he should act like the business tycoon he is and have the whole issue investigated..But this is a hindi show, logic is something we should not expect!

With that said and done, ASR wooing Khushi, lying to her, and tricking her into this marriage and then dropping her like a hot potato is a big no no..Emotional manipulation like that is disgusting! Should there be a hate marriage, Khushi should be well aware about his intentions behind the marriage..

Once again, awesome post! Always a pleasure reading well thought out and well worded threads :)

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solembaum

@solembaum

Voyager

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#68

Originally posted by: Angels11
ok lemme try & reply 2 u in a reasonable manner. i hope u ll b patient enuf 2 listen. frankly i am 1 of those that u r alluding 2 sarcastically in ur post. the so-called kushi basher. yes i am not happy with her characterization. i dont hate her. i am not bashing her. all the while i ve been trying 2 just point out the inconsistencies in her portrayal.

reg that dupatta GATE v dont care if she doesnt wear a dupatta or comes with a deep v neck which shows cleavage. i just dont care. aft all LA also sported skimpy dresses. wat v were making fun was her habit of wearing that string around her neck & then the moment that string slips & falls give OTT reactions as if she has been stripped. WE DONT CARE. v just laugh at her contradictory reactions. hope u get it.

i dont mind her harmless flirting. wat the hell every1 in college or office does that. i ve only told her not 2 get emotionally close 2 strangers frm day 1. remember there was a time wen she used 2 confide everything 2 shyam. b it a girl or a guy its not safe 2 trust a person immediately. but then ok i get that she is a little naive. fair enuf. v r not taking her 2 task. v r just saying that this blind TRUST ll always lead a young naive girl 2 trouble & that is wat has happened 2 her. ^ yeah as rightly pointed out by u & others every1 makes wrong judgments & learn 2 live with the consequence.

and who is having regressive thinking. WE or YOU. many ppl in this forum like kkg coz she is supposedly innocent, wears only indian dresses, is not v educated, doesnt know english, knows all reeti riwaz etc etc etc. many ppl in this forum dint like LA who wears skimpy dresses, is educated, was a professional, knows english, doesnt know reeti riwaz etc etc. so who is being regressive in preferring the former over the latter. saying kkg's innocence has bowled over the snooty asr. y cant the asr ever fall in love with a so-called modern, non-sanskari, educated, english spouting girl. so its ppl like u & STAR who propagate such regressive thinking dear not us. i 4 one w'd love 2 c kushi walk out of asr's life, get educated, wear fashionable dresses, speak english & kick him in the butt. but sadly this ll never happen in indian soaps.

i dont understand all this ABALA NAARI crap. y s'd every1including KKG weep & moan. i hate women who mop around always crying. yes she made a mistake by hiding the truth frm the raizadas. asr is quite justified in being angry with her. this is wat i want KKG 2 do. tie & gag asr if required since this guy w'd otherwise not listen 2 her. explain all that happened frm day 1. tell him the reasons y she dint tell the truth. apologize sincerely. tell him he can choose 2 either trust her or not. she s'd walk out with her head held high. allow the guy 2 brood over stuff. then let him go back 2 her apologize 4 being angry with her. whether she forgives him & loves him back is upto her. who r v 2 decide. let the 2 lovers decide whether they want a happy ending or a sad ending.

btw i did read those post bt trying her in court & also slapping her & i totally agree with u. i dont support those posts at all. u r totally right in objecting to those views & i am with on this!

I don't think the person who made the post or the people who are supporting the post are liking her for not knowing english and not wearing skimpy clthes or knowing reeti riwaz... that is the reason why probablyanjali and nani likes her... But I don't it is correct to say that everyone who likes her do so bcause she is uneducated or does not know english, wears indian clothes etc... Most people who like her, including me... like her for her never dying spirit, her ability to face a new day as a new day and her ability to look for the positives in any situation... and just because la was supposedly educated , spke good english and wore skimpy clothes does not make her a lovable character either... she was a snooty, snobbish, fairly nasty bimbo character who became a nicer person towards the end of her tenure in the serial... so the same way as u wouldn't want to be clubbed with the real bashers on the forum , you should also think before you are painting other people enmasse with one brush... are u implying that only ppl who are regressive in thinking can like KKG?

And KKG has not been shown as person who keeps weeping and moaning... she is a doer... while evrything she does might not have the desired effect... I have never thought she is weeping willow...she is in most cases a feisty character... she hs made mistakes like any other human being, but I don't think thosemistakes includemisleading behavior with other guys... if Shyam is a Psycho that is not her issue... If you call her a dumbo for not understanding shyam's true nature... then what does that make ASR? He is the most wordly wise, totally ynical person around.. who loves his Di to death and still couldn't figure out what kind of person he was getting his Di married to? forget figuring out at that point... even after 3 years he still hadn't figured out...

I don't think anyone has described KKG as an abla nari... in physical strength true.. there ae times u get overpowered... but I dont think she has ever been portrayed as the abla nari... and because I wrote this you needn't assume that I think she is perfect... she is not... but the same way as I like ASR with his imperfections , I like Khushi too with all her imperfections...

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FairyLiquidSoap

@FairyLiquidSoap

Sparkler

+ 5

Posted: 13 years ago

#69

@Oyster

And most likely, they'll end the show with a conventional happy ending, which would be such a mismatch! When you decide to introduce such tracks, at least have the guts to be consistent and end it on a tragic note. Perhaps they are willing to introduce an entirely new genre: Tragedy with Happy Ending

I second you on this and like this genre you have written Tragedy with a Happy Ending

Oyster contrary to opinion I really like the character Barun Sobti essays as well as the actor himself and watch the show for him as well. He is definitely like a breath of fresh air in comparison to all the other small screen male leads we see. And when you pair him up with Khushi/Sanaya the magic is very obvious. I really doubt this story would have caught my eye but for these 2. That is why I am also a bit irritated that they are going to make him feel like a total heel when the track is through. LadyLaLa had a brilliant idea of a Ram who will fight for Sita's dignity and I hope the CV's are listening because they always have taken the road less travelled.

Without going into too much detail I will say that I have been blessed to have multicultural exposure and upbringing and have stayed in 1 of the places I mentioned for a while and have had numerous interactions with the people of the other. Having experienced the pain of stereotype prejudice/bias in certain countries I do know what it is to have judgment passed without knowing anything and based purely on hearsay. Also one of the reasons why I strongly react even when it is directed at a fictitious character

Each of us have different experiences growing up and depending upon the orthodoxy and tradition of the system the expectations will vary from community to community, I really respect your view and obviously you have your own experiences to back you up just like I have mine however end of the day I think I want to celebrate unity despite differences and may I say I really found it a pleasure also to read your post. Hope to have more interactions in the future,

@sbk2

Wow and thanks and I do feel honored.😊 Everyone has a right to their opinion and while there is nothing with criticism but when it turns into a vicious attack on the mere fact that she may be breathing it can really start to take a toll. They are 2 fictitious characters and treat them as such.

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FairyLiquidSoap

@FairyLiquidSoap

Sparkler

+ 5

Posted: 13 years ago

#70

@Eveline

Thank you and May I also return the compliment and say I just loved that post you wrote about Khushi right after Friday's episode. I was surprised that in spite of that fabulous analysis of yours that people were responding with ridiculous comments and posts against her. I was steaming mad till I saw what you wrote and I immediately thought yep she has explained and written it so well that may be people will keep quite but alas it just seemed to get worse. One day we shall overcome!

Needless to say...although about a fictional drama...lately we have been shown the mirror...and what it reflects is ugliness...pure hypocrisy...and forget the drama..the reactions of this forum has shook me to the core...are we women...are we watching the same show..if so...what are they seeing...that we just cannot fathom...and understand...why this hatred...this malevolence...bitterness and jealousy...??

I just loved this paragraph and you have summarized in a few concise sentences what exactly is going in and wrong in the forum and let me add one more why- why this Kolaveri di?😊

@Anjudreamz

Thank you so much for those nice words and no you're not ranting I can understand all of us are frustrated and it does not help when more oil is poured into a raging inferno like all those absurd posts. The one good thing that came out of all this is a very sensible and enlightening post by Anne/Head over Heels about Khushis reaction and the message there was very powerful. I am sure you must have read it, if not I urge you as the information contained there can be life saving,

@Vistaa

Thank you for your words and hug. I assumed when all this car brake bit started that it may showcase her mechanical abilities but after Friday's episode I thought this is going to be a real problem for her and show her in a bad light. Again not too happy with the burden of proof lying on a woman again but still have hope CV's may show something different

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