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Posted: 13 years ago
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Woohoo Promo 4 is back! Woohoo ASR is back! Woohoo KKG is now going to get her butt kicked! Woohoo Hope Lavanya comes back she is perfect for him! Woohoo KKG is a tramp and deserves a slap! Wow those are but just samples of some of the really lovely sentiments that are coming out this forum right now. Is that what this story is all about?

I am not a tweenie, teenie or some bimbette with stars in my eyes and unable to look beyond the looks feelings and expressions of the hero while watching this show. I started seeing IPKKND as it seemed to redefine viewing experience for an Indian soap opera, the concept seemed unique and the lead pair brought magic to the screen. They made you believe in the idea of love and you were rooting for them as they were slowly but surely plodding on to that destination. They did wonders for my romance quotient for I am by nature quite prudent and practical when it comes to the matters of the heart. I also like to think of myself as being very level headed and having the wisdom to know it is but a fictitious tale of amour but yet inexplicably find myself getting enmeshed in their love story anyways.

Guessing from all the spoilers' rumors and rejoinders that seem to be floating all over the forum this next track is going to be all about the destructive side of love, I like to call it- sex, lies and videotapes for obvious reasons. Is it going to be a mash up of Eyes Wide Shut and Othello redefined for Indian audience without the very obvious sexual connotations being shown or a Cruel Intentions sort of seduction but within the propriety of marriage? I have plenty of reservations over how the track might unfold. I am also a bit tired of having KKG/woman once again play victim with the onus of having to prove innocence on her. What is the difference between this show and the other run of the mill then?

While we felt hmm how funny and nice that they are showing Khushi as some one capable of fixing even a car tire and chuckled at her lack of imagination in her first gift to Arnav when she gave a book on car maintenance no one imagined the sinister implications of these 2 randomly generated scenes. Now it looks like they are going to be showing her, in Arnav's eyes at least, as some one capable of murder. (Some member's idea of her being taken to court may come true after allšŸ˜†)

Everything that he had slowly and surely fallen in love with her as part of her spirit and character will slowly be eroded and replaced back by hatred, cruelty and disgust. He will not only question her seemingly charming old fashioned ways and innocence and see it as a deception but also agonize over his own gullibility and judgment in falling for someone like her-probably those old jeers of gold digger and mercenary which he thought had been put to rest will come back to haunt him and her. He will hate himself for loving her wanting her and his old cynical disbeliefs will be reaffirmed. He will seek retribution and vengeance.

She will allow herself to be wooed 'loved' and seduced by him and at the end of it when the truth is out and she discovers that it was all a sham it is going to be the death of everything that is good, beautiful and childlike in her and her belief in life leaving her shell shocked, traumatized and will definitely lay the seeds of hatred and revenge in her.. This will be that one tight slap from Arnav that a member so badly wanted her to get.

What about him? When he knows the whole truth about her and his hand in it that will leave him a hollowed out devastated empty soul of a human haunted by the blood on his hands and his willful part in the destruction of his loved one. Both will end up like Hibakashu's (Japanese survivors of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki catastrophe) or the Walking Dead- a most hurtful closure to this track I think.

And after all this if they are going to switch to an inane track that all is well and they are both going to fall in love all over again with each other then I think I will have reached the end of my fascination for this serial. It would be like a slap on my sensibilities to continue watching so am hoping LM and company will navigate very carefully and not end up like the Titanic.

And speaking of slaps ' I am responding once more against my own sane judgment to not take the bait and feel very compelled to say- Cease And Desist All Personal Attacks even if it is on a fictional character.

I am really disgusted and aggrieved by some of the comments and opinions coming out from the various members in this forum. They claim to be bright elite well educated upwardly mobile working professionals some even living outside of India, but the kind of disdain and sneering mentality that they are exhibiting here with their jeering comments on the female protagonist, her attire or the lack of it especially her dupatta, her talking and smiling with men all the time (my goodness then all of us who are in social contact with men everyday are hussies by their standards) her need to be chastised with a slap and other such inglorious remarks makes me wonder if they are truly educated or just literate-barely knowing how to read and write and nothing else. Your lack of proper exposure and grounding is clearly showing.

Who are you to judge anyone's morals or lack of it? Unless you are living in Afghanistan whose Custodian of Morality in Women or Saudi Arabia where the Moral Police may have shaped your warped thinking, in which case I think it is understandable given your repression, I don't see the point of your insulting posts unless the underlining emotion is jealousy. I am a great believer in the motto of live and let live but sometimes I am forced to yell enough is enough especially when lines of decency and ethics have been crossed a bit too far.

One can take the person out of India but one certainly cannot take India out of the person for some of the moralistic statements seem so reminiscent of what our grandmothers might have probably said when they first encountered educated, working or western attired women back in their days. This is circa 2012 so please wake up and smell not just the coffee but the bagel and all. It is not politically correct to trash our own gender just because she is not deserving of the man you are obsessed with and even more so if he is just a mere figment of some CV's imagination!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: FairyLiquidSoap

Woohoo Promo 4 is back! Woohoo ASR is back! Woohoo KKG is now going to get her butt kicked! Woohoo Hope Lavanya comes back she is perfect for him! Woohoo KKG is a tramp and deserves a slap! Wow those are but just samples of some of the really lovely sentiments that are coming out this forum right now. Is that what this story is all about?

I am not a tweenie, teenie or some bimbette with stars in my eyes and unable to look beyond the looks feelings and expressions of the hero while watching this show. I started seeing IPKKND as it seemed to redefine viewing experience for an Indian soap opera, the concept seemed unique and the lead pair brought magic to the screen. They made you believe in the idea of love and you were rooting for them as they were slowly but surely plodding on to that destination. They did wonders for my romance quotient for I am by nature quite prudent and practical when it comes to the matters of the heart. I also like to think of myself as being very level headed and having the wisdom to know it is but a fictitious tale of amour but yet inexplicably find myself getting enmeshed in their love story anyways.

So we share a common experience. Apparently, people have drawn many parallels between IPKKND and some other show especially Geet. My response has always been that a reserved business tycoon falling for a fun-loving, middle-class is a genre, and anyone can adopt it to tell a story. For me personally, the makers of this show took that general theme to narrate a story the like of which was never seen on Indian television. Other than Arnav-Khushi, the brotherly-sisterly bond between Arnav and Anjali is my absolute favorite (the only reason that might convince me to continue watching the show in the aftermath of the highly anticipated misunderstanding).

Guessing from all the spoilers' rumors and rejoinders that seem to be floating all over the forum this next track is going to be all about the destructive side of love, I like to call it- sex, lies and videotapes for obvious reasons. Is it going to be a mash up of Eyes Wide Shut and Othello redefined for Indian audience without the very obvious sexual connotations being shown or a Cruel Intentions sort of seduction but within the propriety of marriage? I have plenty of reservations over how the track might unfold. I am also a bit tired of having KKG/woman once again play victim with the onus of having to prove innocence on her. What is the difference between this show and the other run of the mill then?

And so you state the very reason that would prohibit me from watching this show during the misunderstanding track.

While we felt hmm how funny and nice that they are showing Khushi as some one capable of fixing even a car tire and chuckled at her lack of imagination in her first gift to Arnav when she gave a book on car maintenance no one imagined the sinister implications of these 2 randomly generated scenes. Now it looks like they are going to be showing her, in Arnav's eyes at least, as some one capable of murder. (Some member's idea of her being taken to court may come true after allšŸ˜†)

Isn't it? Funny but sad.

Everything that he had slowly and surely fallen in love with her as part of her spirit and character will slowly be eroded and replaced back by hatred, cruelty and disgust. He will not only question her seemingly charming old fashioned ways and innocence and see it as a deception but also agonize over his own gullibility and judgment in falling for someone like her-probably those old jeers of gold digger and mercenary which he thought had been put to rest will come back to haunt him and her. He will hate himself for loving her wanting her and his old cynical disbeliefs will be reaffirmed. He will seek retribution and vengeance.

I seriously fail to understand the logic behind regressing Arnav's character to a frightful snob. I thought he had developed and past that stage.

She will allow herself to be wooed 'loved' and seduced by him and at the end of it when the truth is out and she discovers that it was all a sham it is going to be the death of everything that is good, beautiful and childlike in her and her belief in life leaving her shell shocked, traumatized and will definitely lay the seeds of hatred and revenge in her.. This will be that one tight slap from Arnav that a member so badly wanted her to get.

If the CVs are so hell-bent on introducing this misunderstanding track, the least they could do is listen to a humble suggestion: Don't let Khushi become Paro if Arnav fails to meet the standard of Devdas.

What about him? When he knows the whole truth about her and his hand in it that will leave him a hollowed out devastated empty soul of a human haunted by the blood on his hands and his willful part in the destruction of his loved one. Both will end up like Hibakashu's (Japanese survivors of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki catastrophe) or the Walking Dead- a most hurtful closure to this track I think.

And most likely, they'll end the show with a conventional happy ending, which would be such a mismatch! When you decide to introduce such tracks, at least have the guts to be consistent and end it on a tragic note. Perhaps they are willing to introduce an entirely new genre: Tragedy with Happy Ending.

And after all this if they are going to switch to an inane track that all is well and they are both going to fall in love all over again with each other then I think I will have reached the end of my fascination for this serial. It would be like a slap on my sensibilities to continue watching so am hoping LM and company will navigate very carefully and not end up like the Titanic.

To continue, Devdas was denied redemption (even though he was much less at fault compared to Arnav's anticipated sin). But apparently Arnav surpasses him in an unimaginable level and so he will finally retrieve Khushi's love and respect. My friend Ishu rightly suggested that Khushi will outperform Sitaji in self-sacrifice. Likewise, her love will transcend that of Paro, who refused to forgive Devdas. Now seriously, what exactly these CVs are trying to prove here??!

And speaking of slaps ' I am responding once more against my own sane judgment to not take the bait and feel very compelled to say- Cease And Desist All Personal Attacks even if it is on a fictional character.

I am really disgusted and aggrieved by some of the comments and opinions coming out from the various members in this forum. They claim to be bright elite well educated upwardly mobile working professionals some even living outside of India, but the kind of disdain and sneering mentality that they are exhibiting here with their jeering comments on the female protagonist, her attire or the lack of it especially her dupatta, her talking and smiling with men all the time (my goodness then all of us who are in social contact with men everyday are hussies by their standards) her need to be chastised with a slap and other such inglorious remarks makes me wonder if they are truly educated or just literate-barely knowing how to read and write and nothing else. Your lack of proper exposure and grounding is clearly showing.

Even though your response may seem a bit too harsh, but it is true nevertheless. And I'm personally more interested in the evaluation of fictional characters because unlike real people, you tend to know them inside out.

Who are you to judge anyone's morals or lack of it? Unless you are living in Afghanistan whose Custodian of Morality in Women or Saudi Arabia where the Moral Police may have shaped your warped thinking, in which case I think it is understandable given your repression, I don't see the point of your insulting posts unless the underlining emotion is jealousy. I am a great believer in the motto of live and let live but sometimes I am forced to yell enough is enough especially when lines of decency and ethics have been crossed a bit too far.

This is where a bit of my disagreement kicks in. I'd highly suggest that you refrain from building on stereotypes. Have you lived in either of the two countries? If not, then your perspective is colored by the TV channel you watch or the newspaper you read. I have grown up watching Indian movies/shows and studied parts of Indian history in school/university. Yet, if I'm asked to state anything about India, I would not speak because I believe that I still know nothing about the country or its people.

Surprisingly once again, I also thought that the primary motive could be jealousy behind such demeaning posts (though I have not had the chance to read many).

One can take the person out of India but one certainly cannot take India out of the person for some of the moralistic statements seem so reminiscent of what our grandmothers might have probably said when they first encountered educated, working or western attired women back in their days. This is circa 2012 so please wake up and smell not just the coffee but the bagel and all. It is not politically correct to trash our own gender just because she is not deserving of the man you are obsessed with and even more so if he is just a mere figment of some CV's imagination!

Would it be correct to say that you are implying that the previous generation was engulfed by a backward and uneducated perspective on life? If so, then I'd disagree again. I believe in celebrating our differences, not weighing them against each other. And if something is not working for me specifically, I would not say that it ought to be seen in a dimmer light. Hence, I'm not very fond of the popular statement, "We live in the 21st century, so we ought to be the enlightened ones!".

And who says Khushi is not deserving of Arnav? There were times when I wondered whether Arnav deserves Khushi or vice versa. And if the rumors about the misunderstanding track are turned true, you know my opinion right?

Finally, I must admit that it was a pleasure reading your post.

Edited by Oyster - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ fairy ..i completly agree with you on the 2 becoming the walking dead ..what i dread the most is Khushi loosing her "khushiness " under the ASR vindictive onslaught ...
I think the most blessed gift one can have is the child like zest towards life ...and since so few of us have it ..most of the others in their jealousy term it as immaturity and what have you ...
i really hope that this track does not go too far ...I am ok with seperation for love ..that was some thing I could have lived with ...but this track you know it somehow goes back to ramayan asking Sita to prove her innocence and yet Ram is worshipped...
and one little teeny weeny thing ..I live in India (still!) and I believe the mentality one carries has got nothing to do with the country you live ...it has got more to do with your outlook on life ...I believe in India of today how women are looked is changing ...some how SP's rishta wahi soch nayi has not touched this show...or I am hoping it has ...and we will really see something much more acceptable in the coming week ...that is the timeline I am giving to myself and the show,...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: FairyLiquidSoap

I am really disgusted and aggrieved by some of the comments and opinions coming out from the various members in this forum. They claim to be bright elite well educated upwardly mobile working professionals some even living outside of India, but the kind of disdain and sneering mentality that they are exhibiting here with their jeering comments on the female protagonist, her attire or the lack of it especially her dupatta, her talking and smiling with men all the time (my goodness then all of us who are in social contact with men everyday are hussies by their standards) her need to be chastised with a slap and other such inglorious remarks makes me wonder if they are truly educated or just literate-barely knowing how to read and write and nothing else. Your lack of proper exposure and grounding is clearly showing.


Who said that? 😲

I can't believe people are actually blaming Khushi? She is not flirting with Shyam and NK! And she is most certainly not a woman with lose morals or character!


PS: I am just leaving it up to the creatives to reveal to me how this new twist plays out. They have surprised me in the past, and I am hoping they will do so again, in a more positive way.

Edited by Krani - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Very well said! :D great post and especially the last sentence!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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OH MY DEARIE ME...U r on fire today. but i loved your post. Kudos to you. šŸ‘ šŸ‘
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Very Well said FairyLiquidSoap...even I am scared that jilted again in Love by the same person, will break Khushi's heart so badly...she will refuse to trust him again...she might also loose hope in love, and vow never to fall in love...

If this really happens then how to get her back to life will be Arnav's test...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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So you're a bit annoyed then?! šŸ˜‰ Bravo! šŸ‘

So glad I haven't come across the posts you refer to...it would just be too depressing that such unappreciative people are watching this show. 😭 Just hope they're not spoiling your mood too much.

Just a thought...I wonder whether this part of your post relates to Arnav's past and Nani's previous reference to his father's anger, which he has..

"What about him? When he knows the whole truth about her and his hand in it that will leave him a hollowed out devastated empty soul of a human haunted by the blood on his hands and his willful part in the destruction of his loved one. Both will end up like Hibakashu's (Japanese survivors of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki catastrophe) or the Walking Dead- a most hurtful closure to this track I think."


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šŸ‘šŸ‘Yes ..atlast..iam able to breathe..I was so angry and was seething from inside when i read all those posts...But i cannot word it out like the way u didšŸ‘I was disgusted with how the choice of words can make such adifference...wht if it is not a fictional character like Khushi...Its so terrible..
After all she has been thru...after all the traumatic experiences..and then still mending her heart...and making it capable of falling in love...WOW!!
This is atricky situation where her honour and Dignity is goig to be at stake...Being women why cant we just empathise with her Situtaion..that doesnt mean Blast ASR...No...These two are very Human with all the flaws any human can have...they are not supernatural...thats what makes it what it is!!
There was absloutely no reason to penalise Khushi Here...Nor Penalise ASR...But Yes When U love...Just Dont believe what U see...See what U believe in...KKG has never shown distrust towards ASR..He had arelationship with La...Hugged her Innumerable times right in front of her.,,claimed he loved her...But now all that is past...and he was about to propose to Khushi becoz he has finally realised his love...But what about Her...She has always been in love with him...she never showed any happiness about her Engagement...She looked so forlorn and lost most of that time During that Farak padtha hai track...But now becoz of Just one horrible incident...which he happens to witness...If he starts doubting her chastity..then we should be shamed that we were not on her side...I am not saying ASR is wrong...maybe many men and even women think that way...But not who have really understood what KKG is all about...I am always for her..i am not a feminist..I love ASR too...But I cannot take it when she is spoken about that way..Becoz it is not True nor is it Right!!
Now tomorrow if they happen to marry...and she has not still accepted his love ...We should stand by her Becoz Till arnav gives the backbone to his love...that is trust...I do not think she should give in...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ASRsweetKKG

Thank you😊

@Krani

Oh that post is very much there and at first I wanted to ignore it but I just could not get some of the more insulting remarks out of my head and just wanted to vent.😊 On reasons of anonymity I don't want to reveal the name I hope you understand but keep looking and you will find it, I will also say in all fairness that a lot of members reacted in a very positive manner in answer to that post stating their own views. So Yay!

@tibs09

Being in touch with our inner child is something all of us have a disconnect as we get caught up with the issues of growing up and behaving like an adult and I so agree with you completely that the very few who can are blessed to still be able to do so. So yes Khushi is lucky to not lose that as yet! I just don't want this track to get out of hand that we have some really malicious moments that leaves a bad taste. I don't want to end up being put off completely. The burden of proof should not lie on her alone and at the end of it all when she proves herself innocent I really don't think I could watch her getting all lovey dovey with Arnav again without just cause. Of course I also have to remember this is a ad driven soap so won't be surprised if there is all kinds of idiosyncrasies thrown in.

Tibs after having lived a good part of my life (right from birth) abroad crisscrossing countries and continents I moved back to India and am very happy to live here now. I have nothing but admiration for so many of the women that I have come across who don't live up to the stereotypical image that is often held up as an example to be followed by those living abroad (Mostly 1st generation) and salute their spirit thinking and outlook. There are folks overseas I know including my own relatives who live in this time warp of another India and force their children to live breathe and be Indian whilst enjoying all the trappings of a western lifestyle. Again to be fair not every one is like that and my comment was directed only at those that seemed to be caught in that kind of regressive thinking.

@Seh07

Thank you😊 and I had promised myself after my last post that I would not be provoked but sometimes my sense of injustice done and need for fairness gets the better of me

@nikkiapril

Thank you šŸ˜†and just a Sunday venting

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