Historical problems with the story

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I thought some of you might find this interesting. Religion is mentioned here for historical facts regarding the story, not to start a religion debate. So if you comment, please don't argue about religion.

Arnav Singh Raizada takes his mother's last name because his nani and mami are also part of the Raizada khandan. It couldn't have been his father's last name because...

1. Their family are a kind of zamindari family from Lucknow that lived in Sheesh Mahal
2. He said to his chacha that he is only Arnav Singh Raizada now, not something else...
3. He has given up his claim to the zamindari because the chacha threw him out.

But...problem...

Lucknow has a major Muslim city during that time, so it is difficult to see how the zamindari family there was Hindu. Please don't start a religious battle, I am just pointing out historical inconsistencies, nothing else.

Lucknow being a major Persian influence, the name Raizada makes sense for the mother's side of the family. But zada comes from the name Zadeh in Iranian, which again, belonged only to Muslim zamindars who came from a Persian influence. This would be possible for a Hindu family to have maybe if they were given the honorary title. But I am sure the CVs didn't think this deep and decided on the name because it sounded all fancy.

Say the mother's side was given the honorary title, that would make the mother's side zamindars too. So, is that intentional? Were both sides of his family supposed to be zamindars or just one?

The Gupta family, if they are tied to the family history, could also have some connections to the zamindari lineage. As Gupta was a common zamindari name in the world post the Gupta Empire. But again, I don't think the CVs gave it much thought and went with royal sounding names. In any case, if they read this, I hope they fix up these loose ends.


So...what do you think of my analysis?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I am not sure of the history, you mentioned here but I could tell you that
Arnav Singh Raizada was Arnav Mallik before and Gupta is Shashi's surname not Kushi's ! Since Kushi's adoption, her surname has become Gupta, Kushi Kumari Gupta.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hmmm...Nice analysis but I don't think this serial has a Hindu Muslim angle to it...
Both families seem pretty religious but also quite open minded as they go to the temples but they were also shown to go to a Dargah (my guess...or may be another place of worship for muslims...although it did not look like a mosque).
I am not sure if Raizada is a real last name to justify a Toponymy analysis...It just sounds good and royal...and that could be the extent of it...😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Why is his middle name "Singh"?😕
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Originally posted by: -Nithi-

I am not sure of the history, you mentioned here but I could tell you that

Arnav Singh Raizada was Arnav Mallik before and Gupta is Shashi's surname not Kushi's ! Since Kushi's adoption, her surname has become Gupta, Kushi Kumari Gupta.



Really? This is very interesting, when did they mention his other last name. And you are right Khushi's real dad's name could be different.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Booteefool

Why is his middle name "Singh"?😕



Yes, that might have been his original middle name from his dad.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Marybarton



Really? This is very interesting, when did they mention his other last name. And you are right Khushi's real dad's name could be different.


It is mentioned in the very first episode ! His chacha will call him Arnav Mallik, he will say he changed his name to Arnav Singh Raizaida.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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interesting post - I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raizada

The Raijada or Raizada are the descendants of the ruler of Junagadh. A Kingdom in Shaurashtra peninsula. . Junagadh was then under the Chudaasma Rajputs a branch of the Lunar or Chandravanshi line ofRajputs, who trace their origin to Lord Krishna. The Ruler of this Kingdom was addressed as " The Rah' " ( Eg. Rah' Navghan, Rah' Khengaar, Rah' Dayaas, Rah' Maandalik) The Crown Prince to Throne of Junagadh was known as the Rah' as & when and until he occupied the Throne. Rah' was the Title adopted by the Ruler of Junagadh. As it happened in all the Monarchy, The eldest or the worthy son of the Ruler was made the King while other sons were granted Jagirs within the Kingdom. Likewise the son that came to the throne was known as The Rah' while the rest of the sons were given the jagirs and were known by there clan The Chudasama or Sarvaiya.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Well I don't know much about the history of last names but the way it has been shown in IPKKND, it seems that the both the Raizada and Mallik family were landlords.

The way nani speaks of family honour, khandan and the way mami, nani and everyone else speaks of mami being married to a wealthy family...it all gives the impression that they were landlords as well.

Nani always mentions the Raizadas are from Lucknow too.

Raizada is probably not a common last name. But yes I heard the Raizada surname in television few months back and I think it's Hindu last name. I was switching channels and there was a beauty pageant going on in some channel...one of the contestants had the name Raizada and from her first name it seemed like she could be a Hindu.

I remember it because of obvious reasons 😳

Gupta isn't Khushi's real surname since she is adopted and she took the name post adoption.

But honestly I am not sure the cv's gave much thought about the historical stuff. Or maybe they did...you never know. 😉

In one of the earlier episodes Arnav and Khushi visited a dargah but many people do visit shrines or temples of other religions.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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There must be something that have them using these names because its the writers building the character!

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