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Posted: 7 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: PSharada

Also I wanted to say this - SP starts out good concepts but somewhere it is not understanding how to stick by the concepts and do justice to them. Aarambh was a mega budgeted show conceptualized on lines of Bahubali but the moment the trps didn't come the show was closed off. Sony is now launching Porus and Prithvi Vallabh on the same lines. I am damn sure Sony is going to give time to the shows to connect to the audience and they might be a trp getter for the channel.


Similarly they launched IPK3 with hate angle but didn't have guts to go on the full way. Now &TV is doing the exact same concept for Siddhi Vinayak. They not only did the same kind of promos they even cast the same child actor for the childhood part of the leads. SP really needs to understand why and where they are not working and try to rectify it rather than sacrificing shows because other channels are doing the same concepts and are showing much more faith in the product.


@Bold Arambh also had a budget of 80 lakhs per episode and the writer was the Bahubali writer himself. With huge budgets and the original writer come huge expectations to produce results faster.

The original US show Lip Sync Battle had Channing Tatum in drag lip synching a Beyonce song and Beyonce herself made an appearance in the end. His wife danced and lip synced to a sexually suggestive song and gave Tatum a lap dance. That was the USP of the show, the outrageous acts. Don't know how anyone thought that would translate to an Indian audience and Farah Khan would be the one to do it. Budget for this show might have been high too as it had rights of a US show and BW celebs.

Someone must control the budget in Starplus. With higher budgets the shows get less time to prove themselves as it should be.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Star plus shows are getting leaked before telecast in India. Sitting at USA far away from India I understood that but such a so called big channel could not understand that. LOL. Some employee inside screwing them. Something just not right. Find out idiots rather random shutting down shows. Also another thing surprised me to core that Zee tv KKB and kunduli bhagya with garbage always top. So corrupted India is still corrupted. This TRP system is utter wrong. Good going India.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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yes I think they need to stop uploading episodes on hot star at 6 pm before the show telecast
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Posted: 7 years ago
#44
they need to understand the audience pulse
and what will make them tune in to the channel
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Posted: 7 years ago
#45
Fantastic post Sharada ... The thread that was closed with DT supporting RKC was so odd that I started laughing ...she sounded like a fangirl rather than a neutral ombudsman.
Ever since IPK1 there has been many fractions amonsgt Barun's fans and it seems like the IF DTs have become tainted with partisan favoritism.

To be quite honest IF partisanship is counter productive for them ... The highest viewership in IF comes from Barun Sobti ( as well as IPK related topics ) , so it's not very intelligent of them to shut off Barun fans' discussion threads ... With twitters, FB , IG who visits forums any more ? Forums are quite archaic .. I hope they will keep that in mind before shutting off posts bcos they favor a show like RKC which wasn't even being bashed.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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right Sabi Di
we can discuss freely and openly in FB
soon I will also shift there permanently
when I joined the forum I didn't know of these
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mangothyme


@Bold Arambh also had a budget of 80 lakhs per episode and the writer was the Bahubali writer himself. With huge budgets and the original writer come huge expectations to produce results faster.

The original US show Lip Sync Battle had Channing Tatum in drag lip synching a Beyonce song and Beyonce herself made an appearance in the end. His wife danced and lip synced to a sexually suggestive song and gave Tatum a lap dance. That was the USP of the show, the outrageous acts. Don't know how anyone thought that would translate to an Indian audience and Farah Khan would be the one to do it. Budget for this show might have been high too as it had rights of a US show and BW celebs.

Someone must control the budget in Starplus. With higher budgets the shows get less time to prove themselves as it should be.


Aarmabh was in pre production for more than 8 months - They spent huge on the show and the actors dedicated lot of time to learn horse riding and other stuff. They got in the writer from Bahubali itself to create the show for TV. Agreed the budget is huge but why do they pressure the PHs so much so soon. Give it some time to reel the audience in. Porus is also a huge budget show now but when you are trying to do a game changer you need to invest time and effort to nurture it. The moment the TRPs don't come you cut short the shooting and close it off and launch a crap show with no head or tail - How will the audience even feel connected to the channel ? TRPs come out of loyalty and most audience don't tune in because they sample all the shows across every channel and then stick to one. Usually audience is used to tuning in to a particular channel and they kind of keep doing it every day unless something extraordinary is coming on different channel. But these kind of early demise of shows makes audience frustrated and they stop tuning in. After Aarambh, IPK3 - I really feel SP has lost its core audience somewhere. They are not tuning in to the channel no matter what and the channel heads have only themselves to blame. The actors too feel cheated after being promised something and they end up doing something else for TRPs, The PHs whose afternoon shows were cancelled in 2 weeks notice even when they had lot of stuff to show would be feeling the same.


I wouldn't be surprised if PHs and actors start to be wary of doing a show for SP. Barun must have been disappointed to end up doing a rehash version of ASR for IPK3. He must have been pumped up to do a anti hero role but then SP diluted it to make it a poor version of ASR 1.0. SP should learn that just by getting few BW celebrities or getting in new shows is not going to get it TRPs. Unless they start giving content and stand by their new shows and allow it to grow pretty much SP would be losing audience only. I feel it will take a very long time for SP to get to number 1 position.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: shesherkobita

Fantastic post Sharada ... The thread that was closed with DT supporting RKC was so odd that I started laughing ...she sounded like a fangirl rather than a neutral ombudsman.

Ever since IPK1 there has been many fractions amonsgt Barun's fans and it seems like the IF DTs have become tainted with partisan favoritism.

To be quite honest IF partisanship is counter productive for them ... The highest viewership in IF comes from Barun Sobti ( as well as IPK related topics ) , so it's not very intelligent of them to shut off Barun fans' discussion threads ... With twitters, FB , IG who visits forums any more ? Forums are quite archaic .. I hope they will keep that in mind before shutting off posts bcos they favor a show like RKC which wasn't even being bashed.


IF ke baatein IF hi jaane. Many of us have moved out and I myself don't forsee coming here for long. You can pick up any IF article - the comments hardly go for more than 50 most of the time. Once upon a time the comments used to run into 300+ but now who even bothers to comment on articles which are cut paste most of the time and have nothing new in them. Barun fans toh I don't think have even commented on his birthday article after seeing the absurd way his bday article was written. Let them give justification for anything and everything. Doesn't mean people are going to not understand what is happening. 😛😛😛
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: PSharada


Aarmabh was in pre production for more than 8 months - They spent huge on the show and the actors dedicated lot of time to learn horse riding and other stuff. They got in the writer from Bahubali itself to create the show for TV. Agreed the budget is huge but why do they pressure the PHs so much so soon. Give it some time to reel the audience in. Porus is also a huge budget show now but when you are trying to do a game changer you need to invest time and effort to nurture it. The moment the TRPs don't come you cut short the shooting and close it off and launch a crap show with no head or tail - How will the audience even feel connected to the channel ? TRPs come out of loyalty and most audience don't tune in because they sample all the shows across every channel and then stick to one. Usually audience is used to tuning in to a particular channel and they kind of keep doing it every day unless something extraordinary is coming on different channel. But these kind of early demise of shows makes audience frustrated and they stop tuning in. After Aarambh, IPK3 - I really feel SP has lost its core audience somewhere. They are not tuning in to the channel no matter what and the channel heads have only themselves to blame. The actors too feel cheated after being promised something and they end up doing something else for TRPs, The PHs whose afternoon shows were cancelled in 2 weeks notice even when they had lot of stuff to show would be feeling the same.


I wouldn't be surprised if PHs and actors start to be wary of doing a show for SP. Barun must have been disappointed to end up doing a rehash version of ASR for IPK3. He must have been pumped up to do a anti hero role but then SP diluted it to make it a poor version of ASR 1.0. SP should learn that just by getting few BW celebrities or getting in new shows is not going to get it TRPs. Unless they start giving content and stand by their new shows and allow it to grow pretty much SP would be losing audience only. I feel it will take a very long time for SP to get to number 1 position.


I think in the case of Arambh they were counting on the Bahubali audience which made it a huge hit to view it. I've watched the Bahubali movie many times, but I just could not connect with the story they were showing on TV. The writer was the movie writer and he also wrote Bajrang Baijan, so he is a good writer. But writing for TV and movies are different and they focused on so many things they left the story for last.

In the case of IPK3, I think the focus was similar. The costumes for instance. I read a Shirali interview which said something about an IPKKND line, I assume accessories. Now why would they think of something like that even before the story aired. Gul Khan called Barun James Bond. We hardly heard about the rest of the cast before air. They should have given more focus to the rest of the cast, Shivani during that Star show where Barun wore a mask. They should have introduced them as a pair I think or brought her out in the end.

I don't know the cost per episode of IPK3, but Arambh was costly and if TRPs are paying for them then I think the channel will treat it different than a less costly one. Ultimately it comes down to economics. Star Plus has spent a lot of money on IPL so the management will try to keep their jobs and shows that cost a lot would be expected to produce results faster I think. I am just speculating of course, don't know what actually happens. But I think huge budgets are generally bad for anything. Look at Padmavathi, it will be a huge climb just to break even because of the budget. Budgets are not just numbers or suggestions, people in showbiz need to treat them more seriously. Having a vision is nice as an artist, but it takes money and ultimately that is what matters. It is show business after all.
Edited by Mangothyme - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mangothyme



I think in the case of Arambh they were counting on the Bahubali audience which made it a huge hit to view it. I've watched the Bahubali movie many times, but I just could not connect with the story they were showing on TV. The writer was the movie writer and he also wrote Bajrang Baijan, so he is a good writer. But writing for TV and movies are different and they focused on so many things they left the story for last.

In the case of IPK3, I think the focus was similar. The costumes for instance. I read a Shirali interview which said something about an IPKKND line, I assume accessories. Now why would they think of something like that even before the story aired. Gul Khan called Barun James Bond. We hardly heard about the rest of the cast before air. They should have given more focus to the rest of the cast, Shivani during that Star show where Barun wore a mask. They should have introduced them as a pair I think or brought her out in the end.

I don't know the cost per episode of IPK3, but Arambh was costly and if TRPs are paying for them then I think the channel will treat it different than a less costly one. Ultimately it comes down to economics. Star Plus has spent a lot of money on IPL so the management will try to keep their jobs and shows that cost a lot would be expected to produce results faster I think. I am just speculating of course, don't know what actually happens. But I think huge budgets are generally bad for anything. Look at Padmavathi, it will be a huge climb just to break even because of the budget. Budgets are not just numbers or suggestions, people in showbiz need to treat them more seriously. Having a vision is nice as an artist, but it takes money and ultimately that is what matters. It is show business after all.


The problem with SP is it is jumping in for instant results. Bahubali is hit so come on get the writer on board and make a show out of it. The lead was named Devasena similar to the movie. They are just looking for instant results but they are not willing to show something new. You can't jump around so much and still expect audience to faithfully stick by you through your experiments. They are coming across as small kids who don't know how to do something different and just ends up copying others.

Yes Aarambh's per episode cost was huge - Porus might also be huge but the only difference I see is one channel not having sufficient confidence in their product whereas Sony is going all in for Porus. If Porus hits the chord with audience then they would have a game changer on their hands something which SP could have had but they squandered.

IPK3 never was a big budgeted show - If you are going to go franchise way then think about how you want to position your new product ? Do you want to rehash the old one ? Do you want to do something entirely different ? Or do you want to do something similar. Without having a solid idea of what you are planning to do it is idiotic to force an entirely new show to be named IPK because they wanted to grab eyeballs. IPK3 is entirely different than IPK1 so why the need to name it that ? Okay they went with the name then they should have bucked up and gotten a good technical team in to do the show.

SP was the one which went with spin off show in the history of Indian TV but Zee TV took the idea and make it successful with Kundali Bhagya. The fact that they took the most repetitive show on their channel but yet created a top trp getter solely by using a good technical team shows that you need to have a strong team to deliver the results.

The way I see it SP creates concepts but like small kids loses interest in them when things don't go according to their expectations and leave it midway. Other channels like Zee TV, Sony TV are taking those same ideas and making it successful. That shows SP needs to fire their management heads and get their act together and if budgets are causing the shows to be under pressure then they need to control their budgets. Otherwise they will keep on losing their audience for a long time to come.
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