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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: -Sush-


Ecri...I see the logic they are following to come up with this promo...but

Remember

SHOCKing someone with something only works one time ...not repeataatively.
The first week a lot of people came to see Sobtis comeback...
The reason they lost the viewers after that is when people saw two plot and decided they didn't like it...Note| They made up their mind after watching the first week which was full of aggression, burning and hate...

They went through so much effort to, what I thought, resurrecting the show and making the characters more relatable, less dark and more likeable...

Looks like they have given up on the change or never meant it beyond superficial changes like the set, a set of different supporting cast...

Oh well...their show ...their call...I wouldn't have made that decision...I would look a demographic split of the viewers...
THe viewers who appreciated the hate filled promo in the first place are already in...For them all that mattered was that Sobti is in the show...
The ones, who look for a more positively toned story, probably need a different promo...representing the new vision...Yes with Chandani's resolve and Advay's misgivings (minus the aggression and psychopathic behavior)


Sush

@bold totally with you on this. The reason most of the viewers have stuck around has largely been for the actor, on online mediums. On offline mediums, however, I would like to believe that the makers have tapped and catered to a section of the demographic divide and have succeeded in creating a niche for themselves and hence, the repetitive and recall value that translates into the numbers each consecutive week. And I am talking about the set of viewers who are now bound to the show, keeping in mind that they now make up for a committed set of audience.

Re-iterating what I had written a while back that if we absolutely divide the viewers in three broad categories- consistent, non-consistent, or the ones with a recall value, there would be an interesting pattern to note. The viewers from the first category would always watch a set show for their own reasons, perhaps, an actor or a brand recall or just an availability of free time at that particular times, while the viewers from the second and the third categories are mostly inconsistent and at times, difficult to sway with the changing content in the show. And mostly, the makers and the channel, the concerned parties that is, would work towards solidifying the first category of the viewers while winning over the third category, who are more likely to come back to a show as against the second category viewers, even if they get diluted with the non-watchers in the beginning or somewhere in the middle.

Sush, in your last statement, the audience looking for positivity are those who might make up for the second category of viewers, the most difficult to please and hence, they would need more sterner and firmer changes to ring in the return factor, which as you rightly say would be more than just the set or the new members and would need an overhaul of the show. Again, that might have been a tighter rope to walk from the makers perspective.

However, imo, the makers currently are looking at working on the third category of the viewers, whom they believe they had lost after the first week. Lets just say that it can be a case of desperate times calling for desperate needs or it could be a case of another hit and trial, we may never know. But yes, the fact that this promo has been released only goes onto ascertain that they are back to the original story they had in mind, albeit with new changes incorporated.

Tbh, atm, its very difficult to peg where the show and script are headed because if you see this current promo, it has not only brought back the brand recall to the initial promos, but also hinted at subtle changes in terms of the marriage of the leads and also, Chandni's stance.

So all in all, the show now looks like a mixture of ethos from the realms of the past and the present wrt the story and its mood, and also promises to tell a tale which is perhaps,more softer and condones violence that will be retaliated at each step.

Idk, how the general audience will perceive it, is yet to be seen. But one would never know if one never tried, both from the makers and the viewers perspective. And that will only be possible if the changes are palatable, over the due course of time. And while I do believe that to each their own, in terms of choices of what makes up for a watchable deal and what doesnt, solely speaking from my perspective, I would like to believe that the changes would bring in more positive strokes to the otherwise darker tale that was conceived initially, which is exactly why I am giving it a chance without expecting anything buoyant.
Edited by Ecrivain. - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Ecrivain loved your analysis
Hope it brings back the 3rd category of viewers
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Posted: 8 years ago
Advay will try to make life difficult for Chandni
But she will not take it lying down
She too will resist in her own way
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Posted: 8 years ago
Also I feel if the CVs feel this promo did not gather the expected TRP we may get a track change again
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Posted: 8 years ago
Sush,
Utah is not an easy place to cover. It's not even remotely to be considered for a detox vacation because this drains every bit of water in your body. Now I am so tired that I may want another vacation to recover from this lol. But the views are breathtaking 👍🏼

Sush/Ecri/PS
You all have such different viewpoints about one topic and they all make sense. Guess somewhere something is working right.

The first week of TRP may not even be a benchmark for makers because even people who absolutely hated Gul for creating IPK3 without happy watched it just to see what it was all about. Since week2, the exact same set of people have stick to the show and they don't seem to be much worried about the track change.

A good set of people watched last few episodes and they especially liked the Mumbai setting. Now if they see a promo looked this, if not anything else, they will be confused.

As far as the online audience are concerned, barring a few most others end up thanking Gul everyday for getting Sobti on their screen Mon-Fri so some dhak dhak, witty dialogues and decent editing is all is needed to keep them hooked to the show. I am not generalizing, but a good 60% of them are like that.

I have nil experience in television medium but as a TV recollection, I think, what this promo primarily lacks is continuity. A promo of Advay's positive avtaar with some FBs of his marriage and him moving on and then entry of Chandini with 'apne takdeer mein' dialogue in the background would be apt for me
Edited by ranjitha - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Mangothyme

Hi Sush,

Newbie here. I liked the temple promo a lot because it promised a classic anti hero. What can I say, Wuthering Heights and Heathcliff have made me like anti heroes.

The actual execution left much to be desired for me. I lost interest especially after the pigeon fiasco, but I continued to read on the forum, the writers of various shades, both positive and negative have kept the intrigue going more than the show. That and the basic plot. The promise of an anti hero and a revenge story.

When the story moved to Mumbai I had thought Pratham season 2 reboot. Then came the revenge again like a carrot drawing me in. This time the characters, costumes, sets all seem so much better and not distracting. I am not a fan of Mr.Sobti, more of the basic premise of the show. But then the new promo threw me off.

I get the symbolism but I do not like the repeated use of fire. The burning of the dupatta, PP, Kangan. In a country with a history of sati and dowry death this will not go well. An audience who watches will not think deep about symbolism, they do not sit on message boards to analyze and burning a girl repeatedly even for symbolism is repulsive. There are ways to simplify it for a simple promo. I will watch if episodes hold my interest else I will go back to reading. I find this forum writers more interesting than the show. You are one of the best and I enjoy reading your Sushpectives.


HI Newbie...I,LOVE when newbies respond! 😃
Ok...I get it...revenge is an exciting angle for some...could work as a hook...
However...the use of kangan burning has an eerie resemblance to burning women ...I agree this is a very bad symbol and quite repulsive...I wasn't repulsed when he put fire to the dupatta in the first promo but moved immediately to extinguish the fire...that l looked like a clever trick ...This one...looks like he wants to burn her skin...😕


Edited by -Sush- - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: PSharada


Yes I agree with you Sush - I too am surprised with the new promo. I thought they would show Chandni fighting back. They did keep that dialogue of - Ek Lamha mera bhi aayega but no idea why they had to show the GIF of bangles burning unless they want to show the hate is still there.


The channels do get raw TRPs the next day itself and that is why the usually on the weekend they release the promo targeted at their audience. Maybe this is their way of saying the intensity is still there. I don't expect Chandni fighting Advay promo for another 2 wks at least.


I would have loved a new promo of Advay - Adi and Chandni but looks like we are still there in the hate phase for some more time.

PS:- It is only us who dissect everything so much Sush. I do clearly remember DABH sequel Tu Suraj had a promo where in the ML was shown to decorate the nupital bed and it was symbolically shown as a pyre and he says - I will forcefully make you mine and I will get this relationship of husband - wife or something like that. The FL is shown to walk towards the decorated bed thinking about the first night when the whole bed is shown on fire. The promo was gross at every level you can think off and yet that week DABH 2 had a TRP of 1.9. Now that totally stumped me. Are people in India so sadist that they would want to see FL being forced for her first night and husband equating first night to a agni pareeksha ?


I don't know but I really hope this new promo of IPK3 is not to get those kind of audience. I am okay for hate story but no physical torture please and tone down the emotional torture to a few jibes and taunts nothing more.


Didn't see that DABH promo PS...don't know if someone was actually shown in that pyre ...or was it pure symbolism...Kangan Burning reeks horror and torture ...not revenge.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Ecrivain.


Sush

@bold totally with you on this. The reason most of the viewers have stuck around has largely been for the actor, on online mediums. On offline mediums, however, I would like to believe that the makers have tapped and catered to a section of the demographic divide and have succeeded in creating a niche for themselves and hence, the repetitive and recall value that translates into the numbers each consecutive week. And I am talking about the set of viewers who are now bound to the show, keeping in mind that they now make up for a committed set of audience.

Re-iterating what I had written a while back that if we absolutely divide the viewers in three broad categories- consistent, non-consistent, or the ones with a recall value, there would be an interesting pattern to note. The viewers from the first category would always watch a set show for their own reasons, perhaps, an actor or a brand recall or just an availability of free time at that particular times, while the viewers from the second and the third categories are mostly inconsistent and at times, difficult to sway with the changing content in the show. And mostly, the makers and the channel, the concerned parties that is, would work towards solidifying the first category of the viewers while winning over the third category, who are more likely to come back to a show as against the second category viewers, even if they get diluted with the non-watchers in the beginning or somewhere in the middle.

Sush, in your last statement, the audience looking for positivity are those who might make up for the second category of viewers, the most difficult to please and hence, they would need more sterner and firmer changes to ring in the return factor, which as you rightly say would be more than just the set or the new members and would need an overhaul of the show. Again, that might have been a tighter rope to walk from the makers perspective.

However, imo, the makers currently are looking at working on the third category of the viewers, whom they believe they had lost after the first week. Lets just say that it can be a case of desperate times calling for desperate needs or it could be a case of another hit and trial, we may never know. But yes, the fact that this promo has been released only goes onto ascertain that they are back to the original story they had in mind, albeit with new changes incorporated.

Tbh, atm, its very difficult to peg where the show and script are headed because if you see this current promo, it has not only brought back the brand recall to the initial promos, but also hinted at subtle changes in terms of the marriage of the leads and also, Chandni's stance.

So all in all, the show now looks like a mixture of ethos from the realms of the past and the present wrt the story and its mood, and also promises to tell a tale which is perhaps,more softer and condones violence that will be retaliated at each step.

Idk, how the general audience will perceive it, is yet to be seen. But one would never know if one never tried, both from the makers and the viewers perspective. And that will only be possible if the changes are palatable, over the due course of time. And while I do believe that to each their own, in terms of choices of what makes up for a watchable deal and what doesnt, solely speaking from my perspective, I would like to believe that the changes would bring in more positive strokes to the otherwise darker tale that was conceived initially, which is exactly why I am giving it a chance without expecting anything buoyant.


Ok ...I see your point Ecri...it makes sense to attract viewers with a recall value...I would think that people with recall value want to see changes highlighted to show what didn't work for them in the first place is now different...I can't hear the dialogues very well but if Chandani's challenge back is highlighted there would be an interesting difference...Cleraly I am an non-consistent viewer (even though I don't contribute to TRP) looking for positivity and more decency...and time weill tell how long can I stick to a story if it remains dark and the hero acts like as some people on tweeter cheerfully said a "Kameena"... I am not sure when and how this word or traits associated with it have became attractive for some people...beats me...😕

To share an anecdote with you...when the show started I was visiting India and saw the reaction of a 16 year old who watched and was excited to talk about the promo ( my moms household help). What made the most impression on her was that Advay saved Chandani after causing the fire...it was the irony that was the most intriguing to her...and that part is missing from the currentt pormo...

But ...it is their business not mine...if it works it benefits them if it doesn't they lose...Not my problem...

Edited by -Sush- - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: ranjitha

Sush,

Utah is not an easy place to cover. It's not even remotely to be considered for a detox vacation because this drains every bit of water in your body. Now I am so tired that I may want another vacation to recover from this lol. But the views are breathtaking 👍🏼

Sush/Ecri/PS
You all have such different viewpoints about one topic and they all make sense. Guess somewhere something is working right.

The first week of TRP may not even be a benchmark for makers because even people who absolutely hated Gul for creating IPK3 without happy watched it just to see what it was all about. Since week2, the exact same set of people have stick to the show and they don't seem to be much worried about the track change.

A good set of people watched last few episodes and they especially liked the Mumbai setting. Now if they see a promo looked this, if not anything else, they will be confused.

As far as the online audience are concerned, barring a few most others end up thanking Gul everyday for getting Sobti on their screen Mon-Fri so some dhak dhak, witty dialogues and decent editing is all is needed to keep them hooked to the show. I am not generalizing, but a good 60% of them are like that.

I have nil experience in television medium but as a TV recollection, I think, what this promo primarily lacks is continuity. A promo of Advay's positive avtaar with some FBs of his marriage and him moving on and then entry of Chandini with 'apne takdeer mein' dialogue in the background would be apt for me


Ha ha...North Dakota is as far as I have been ...and that was an experience for me...Utah...may be some day...😊

You and I are on the same page on the promo ...Ranjitha...the promo lacks a clear hook for people who have drifted away after watching the first week's episodes...Some more context...like Takdeer and wedding ...instead of Kangan burning could work well IMO...Here is one place where a marriage backdrop, a solid dialogue from Advay about revenge and Chandani's about Takdeer and her moment could bring the message home...fire is a nice symbol for destruction or anger...burning a symbol of marriage is also a good way to give a visual...but fire next to skin makes it too much like wife burning...makes it disgusting...not intriguing...
Edited by -Sush- - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: -Sush-


HI Newbie...I,LOVE when newbies respond! 😃
Ok...I get it...revenge is an exciting angle for some...could work as a hook...
However...the use of kangan burning has an eerie resemblance to burning women ...I agree this is a very bad symbol and quite repulsive...I wasn't repulsed when he put fire to the dupatta in the first promo but moved immediately to extinguish the fire...that l looked like a clever trick ...This one...looks like he wants to burn her skin...😕



The first promo was someone who hurt her and then rescued her. That was what I got from it. Somewhere there was a heart and he would save her. Could have gone either way, played mind games with her pretending to be savior or a revenge story with redemption. That was what hooked me, this promo looks like abuse. The dupatta burning was horrifying to me, I had to take a break. That was a threat because he isolated her deliberately.

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