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Posted: 7 years ago
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Nice thread.
Not to start a war but I am amazed at few people that they only remember what all shivaay has done for annika & its like ahe has done nothing. Like she didn't take bullet for him, she didn't risk her life again & again to fight with villains.

She is totally wrong in walking away without confronting him or even informing in any way that she is leaving or angry. But not wrong in MU bcoz of what all happened with her in that day starting from veer almost killing to getting know her father actually did suicide & shivaay lied then seeing everything live but she should have still confronted and I really hope CVs do give some thought on her character here and show some progress rather using her as scapegoat for trp.
Shivaay is equally wrong too from hiding stuff to telling things in jalebi form & then really using word hate. But still he is at least trying to look for her be it for revenge or confront but
In no way i am going to hate annika or as few people conveniently forgot that she alao has done so much for him & not only he has done everything
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Posted: 7 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: AreYaar


I don't think this is really about Shivaay believing she gave the proofs in the police station...it's more about him feeling let down that she didn't trust him...that's what's fueling his heartbreak...her trust broke before his...and he wants answers for why that happened...no matter who told her what...he seemed to expect implicit faith from her because she assured him that he had her implicit faith...so I can't blame him that much for taking her for her word😆


Shivaay's entire personality is based on "Main sab theek kar dunga"...for him, there is no greater proof of love than someone showing faith in him...and that is what Anika gave him since ages...to shake that very bedrock was bound to shake Shivaay up too...that his Anika actually thought he could betray her.


Everything else is just adding to the hurt...his mother's state is a living symbol of the cycle of events that unfolded once Anika walked out without giving him a chance to explain.


Sorry for the reaally late reply. AY, with all the butchering done, both are equally to blame.

Coz even though I sympathise with Shivaay, the truth is that Shivaay has placed Ani on a pedestal always and the last time she walked out and he found the reason she stayed , he was just overwhelmed by her I dunno, greatness? Goodness ? Love trust, whatever...Hence this amount of resentment, I get that...But In a way , its a bit unfair to Ani too because when she has shown her loyalty to him at every step, it is fair that he believed that she gave the evidence to the police? He should have belived that she could have never done it as well... How can he blame Ani for not having trust in him when he is acting exactly like her? Thats why I said in that aspect, both are equally to blame...

What annoyed me about Ani was the fact that while he is hell bent to find her for answers, she has conveniently managed to turn her back on him and not look back...maybe its because she is too hurt or maybe life has made her that way but shutting out a person completely like that seems kind of too much , thats all...
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Posted: 7 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: angel_nonu

Nice thread.

Not to start a war but I am amazed at few people that they only remember what all shivaay has done for annika & its like ahe has done nothing. Like she didn't take bullet for him, she didn't risk her life again & again to fight with villains.

She is totally wrong in walking away without confronting him or even informing in any way that she is leaving or angry. But not wrong in MU bcoz of what all happened with her in that day starting from veer almost killing to getting know her father actually did suicide & shivaay lied then seeing everything live but she should have still confronted and I really hope CVs do give some thought on her character here and show some progress rather using her as scapegoat for trp.
Shivaay is equally wrong too from hiding stuff to telling things in jalebi form & then really using word hate. But still he is at least trying to look for her be it for revenge or confront but
In no way i am going to hate annika or as few people conveniently forgot that she alao has done so much for him & not only he has done everything



Thank you :)


Re: ppl raising what Shivaay has done for Anika...I suppose that is happening because Anika is the one claiming that she IMAGINED that he ever cared for her, that their whole relationship was an illusion and that he only cares for his family and not her...so in response, ppl are recounting the many times he took a stand for her.


There is obviously no denying that Anika has done a lot for Shivaay...but Shivaay isn't the one saying she never cared for him...he's saying she didn't show faith in him...so that is why those incidents aren't being pointed out so much.


The writers as usual have butchered Anika more in this track...and once again showed her being the one walking away from their relationship without a word...while Shivaay, for all his flaws, all his mistakes is still atleast not declaring their relationship over...still trying to find her, talk to her.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: chottekikhushi


Sorry for the reaally late reply. AY, with all the butchering done, both are equally to blame.

Coz even though I sympathise with Shivaay, the truth is that Shivaay has placed Ani on a pedestal always and the last time she walked out and he found the reason she stayed , he was just overwhelmed by her I dunno, greatness? Goodness ? Love trust, whatever...Hence this amount of resentment, I get that...But In a way , its a bit unfair to Ani too because when she has shown her loyalty to him at every step, it is fair that he believed that she gave the evidence to the police? He should have belived that she could have never done it as well... How can he blame Ani for not having trust in him when he is acting exactly like her? Thats why I said in that aspect, both are equally to blame...

What annoyed me about Ani was the fact that while he is hell bent to find her for answers, she has conveniently managed to turn her back on him and not look back...maybe its because she is too hurt or maybe life has made her that way but shutting out a person completely like that seems kind of too much , thats all...



Actually, ironically, I feel this track is about ANIKA placing Shivaay on a pedestal😆...that he places her on a pedestal was long since established, worked through in the previous seperation...but this time Anika has the bigger grudge...she put him on a pedestal as the one who can do no wrong, who will ultimately always come through for her, would never let her down...and she feels badly let down by this fake marriage mess, which she has now twisted into the ultimate evidence of his abandonment.


Perhaps Anika is the one who has to realize that for all his big talk of fixing everything, Shivaay too can fail...perhaps it's unfair of her to idolize him as her savior and then vilify him if he fails. Maybe she needs to accept his and her own human failings better and rediscover her faith in their relationship.


Walking away is never the solution...he's explained this to her before also but clearly it doesn't get through to Anika😆


Frankly the question of how can Shivaay blame Anika became moot for me the moment Anika walked away without a word...after that anyone can think anything as far as this story goes😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: naadanmasakalli

i ended up gifing the fav moments




I really loved this scene...thanks for gif-ing it, Fary :) Shivaay looks so haggard here...you can see the toll everything has taken on him...him pleading with Pinky to come back was really heartbreaking...despite having his family around him, he seems utterly alone...abandoned.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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You made a thread AY? Missed it completely. Let me go read before I fall asleep

Edited: almost dozing off but wanted to say I love this post.
Both are being childish but somehow I am able to understand Shivaay more than Anika this time. And I am not at all surprised at the way he is reacting. Shivaay's hurt and anger is obvious. He is heartbroken and that hurt and anger will take some unpleasant forms especially in the absence of Anika to temper him. Anika's " narazgi is less easy to understand for me. Shivaay can handle almost anything that life or Anika can throw at him except Anika disappearing from his life. That is the one thing he cannot handle at all. Like he told her once "gussa ghar par bhi kiya is sakta hai'
Anika is confusing me. Obviously she has deep rooted insecurities and abandonment issues arising from her traumatic childhood for her to believe that shivaay can abandon her so easily and so casually. She has blocked out all the times he has put her first. He took a bullet for. He even stopped talking to his own mother. And yes the lack of "our with regards to the family was conspicuous by its absence but I (and shivaay too) had never realised this was festering within Anika. I am willing to look past all the contrivedness (it's a done deed anyway) if they now address all of Annika's Issues in this track. Let's see how the handle it. But they are mostly likely to take the route of some 3rd and 4th angle instead. Their track record is not very good on this.
Edited by soapsuds - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapsuds

You made a thread AY? Missed it completely. Let me go read before I fall asleep

Edited: almost dozing off but wanted to say I love this post.
Both are being childish but somehow I am able to understand Shivaay more than Anika this time. And I am not at all surprised at the way he is reacting. Shivaay's hurt and anger is obvious. He is heartbroken and that hurt and anger will take some unpleasant forms especially in the absence of Anika to temper him. Anika's " narazgi is less easy to understand for me. Shivaay can handle almost anything that life or Anika can throw at him except Anika disappearing from his life. That is the one thing he cannot handle at all. Like he told her once "gussa ghar par bhi kiya is sakta hai'
Anika is confusing me. Obviously she has deep rooted insecurities and abandonment issues arising from her traumatic childhood for her to believe that shivaay can abandon her so easily and so casually. She has blocked out all the times he has put her first. He took a bullet for. He even stopped talking to his own mother. And yes the lack of "our with regards to the family was conspicuous by its absence but I (and shivaay too) had never realised this was festering within Anika. I am willing to look past all the contrivedness (it's a done deed anyway) if they now address all of Annika's Issues in this track. Let's see how the handle it. But they are mostly likely to take the route of some 3rd and 4th angle instead. Their track record is not very good on this.



Exactly.


You know, there's some ppl who thrive on conflict...who can deal with any kind of conflict even if it is with a loved one...cuz even conflict is a kind of ENGAGEMENT, a CONNECTION...Shivaay's mind works like that I think...he can take all the anger in the world that she throws at him...justified or unjustified...but he cannot deal with her just disappearing on him.


Anika on the other hand is a champion escapist when things get too hurtful...otherwise she's pretty good at handling conflict too...both her and Shivaay live to lock horns with each other...it was once the very basis of their relationship and interaction with each other...facing off as worthy adversaries. But when she gets hurt beyond a point, which is what seems to have happened this time, she simply switches off and walks out...perhaps this is all coming from a lifetime of facing pain and abandonment...and while I'm still not convinced by her sweeping judgements on Shivaay, if I was to play devil's advocate...this is what I can make of her reasoning.


So it's a bit of a stalemate until they come face to face again...simply cuz they have different ways of dealing with pain and conflict...it is only when they are forced to be in each other's presence again that they can start banging their heads together and eventually wear each other down😆...they both need to get a lot of stuff out of their systems.


Oh forgot to say, thanks for liking the post :)
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Anika blocked all her childhood except the flashes in her nightmares until 2 days before D-day. She never talked about her life growing up in the orphanage except fleetingly hear and there. Obviously she has deep abandonment issues after all the trauma. Deeper than anyone has realised. She has brazened it out by thumbing her nose at the stuff life has thrown at her as a way to cope. But those issues have never really been addressed. Shivaay has tried to make up for her bad childhood by heaping enormous love upon her as a salve but even he doesn't realise that her issues are only buried not resolved and they resurface when the hurt and fear gets too much. Then she runs away before she can be abandoned. Maybe that gives her a feeling of control over fate. I don't know. But now having phailoed so much raita this is their opportunity to address this. That would still salvage things rather than further childish things like third parties. Shivika are beyond third parties. Underneath all their issues there is a solid bedrock of deep love that will last and overcome. They just need to find their way.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapsuds

Shivaay has tried to make up for her bad childhood by heaping enormous love upon her as a salve but even he doesn't realise that her issues are only buried not resolved and they resurface when the hurt and fear gets too much. Then she runs away before she can be abandoned. Maybe that gives her a feeling of control over fate. I don't know. But now having phailoed so much raita this is their opportunity to address this. That would still salvage things rather than further childish things like third parties. Shivika are beyond third parties. Underneath all their issues there is a solid bedrock of deep love that will last and overcome. They just need to find their way.



Exactly...even though Shivaay has showered her with love, I guess the wounds are not fully healed and still need to be addressed directly to be resolved.


Third parties are sadly the TRP tadka that Gulneet always add by default to muddle up the main issues...so I guess we have to jhelo again and hope Shivika address some issues by the end of this mess...lol like they did manage to by the end of seperation 1😆


The bedrock of their love is deffo solid, deep...but they are lost right now and need to find their way back to each other...it's now a test of how strong that love is for it to manage to withstand such deep rifts also.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapsuds

Anika blocked all her childhood except the flashes in her nightmares until 2 days before D-day. She never talked about her life growing up in the orphanage except fleetingly hear and there. Obviously she has deep abandonment issues after all the trauma. Deeper than anyone has realised. She has brazened it out by thumbing her nose at the stuff life has thrown at her as a way to cope. But those issues have never really been addressed. Shivaay has tried to make up for her bad childhood by heaping enormous love upon her as a salve but even he doesn't realise that her issues are only buried not resolved and they resurface when the hurt and fear gets too much. Then she runs away before she can be abandoned. Maybe that gives her a feeling of control over fate. I don't know. But now having phailoed so much raita this is their opportunity to address this. That would still salvage things rather than further childish things like third parties. Shivika are beyond third parties. Underneath all their issues there is a solid bedrock of deep love that will last and overcome. They just need to find their way.



I too feel this. And especially when it comes to shivaay it comes out more strongly. She always runs away from any sort of direct confrontation with him which would result in any sort of finality about their relationship. At times i get the feeling before he could say anything or even if she fears that he might say something as an official confirmation she herself slams the door shut and runs away. More like u said her control over fate also in a twisted way saving herself from more hurt of having to hear him actually say it. I could be wrong about the last part too. But overall her issues run too deep about abandonment and insecurity of never being worth the fight. Now its shown in a contrived manner to say the least but i guess it does come down to listen him say see for herself ekdum clearly ki yes ur my no.1

Now for shivaay he is just stuck at the point she left. He would have handled her anger hurt even accusations i guess but her leaving him simply like that hit him hard. So all those big words of hate hisab barabar karna. He blames her for police complaint again a contrived MU but even that goes back to not having enough faith in hin&walking away. He is lost&the only person who could manage him during these times is the one that left so yeah its a mess.




Lol this is all my interpretation after finally moving past contrived ness. Now third angles hoga hi kuch nai kar sakte uska😆 Tadi tashan farak is their defense mechanism and gulneet ka trp mechanism😆

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