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WittyFlair

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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: zara1ksg
The entire vanvaas track never and still doesn't make sense to me ! Yes ppl tuned in to watch shivaay leave the house but we recently got 2 with the barielly track which had less drama and more family and couples which I believe was d better track and it shows you can bring in the TRPs with 3 equal couples who have equal ss !

For me the feeling of vanvaas ended when they showed OmRu crying in OM and shivika dancing in SM .. this is no hate to d couple but to the writers and editors... yes is still doesn't make sense y OmRu just pitched up in Goa ! Y have a vanvaas if u can just meet up ? Or talk on the phone and stuff ? Omkara's lack of reaction isn't new ! Rikara and Om fans have been complaining since swetlana arrived and he hardly gave any reaction when Gauri got locked or during Rudras bomb scare ! We have been complaining but no one listens so Ders not much we can do anymore ! Tia drama is useless ! So many fans have wanted OmRu to progress on their own but the dialogues given to them were mostly about shivaay and Anika ! The raavan track is just logicless ! Nothing makes any sense

Exactly. What's the point of this vanvaas when they're just dropping off to Goa whenever they can. It makes it seem that Shivaay got himself a new apartment for them all to chill in than actually leaving town and everything behind.

It's just really lazy writing that they didn't feel the need to keep the characters in mind and are just playing hop scotch with all the flips in the track

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WittyFlair

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Posted: 7 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: --Risha--
I think what killed it for me was the Pia track. I don't think I've felt as sick watching ANY other track in IB. What was worse is how they tried to justify it in the end. To this day, I haven't watched that episode where Annika is justifying Shivaay. Because we all know things would've been different had Annika been in Shivaay's shoes.

Bareilly track - despite the hate it gets - had one of the best and most authentic ShivIka tracks. And they had equal SS with the others too. Vanvaas beginning was awesome. Hands down the best fam drama I've seen in IB

Right now, the makers have no idea what they're doing. They seem to be desperately trying to keep the actors while trying to raise TRPs. Where they're at story-wise, it can be a bit difficult, esp with them changing tracks midway ALL the time. Veer ka overdose ho raha hai because all he does is stare at the laptop screen and talk to himself. Meh whatever. I don't even bother to watch OM scenes. Lately, I've been FFing epis and watching in 5 mins. Glad to report my addiction is up, too 😆

Absolutely. The reverse is true when it comes to the Pia track, if Anika (or any of the females for that matter) pulled a stunt like that, no way the guys would have forgiven them so quickly.

I feel the makers are just writing the show myopically. When I thought of the vanvaas tracks, there were so many what-ifs in my mind. But instead they opted for focusing on Gul's favorite staple: sheer villainy. It's like they get carried away by a small detail and then disregard the overall picture. Aka here they are super focused on the Raavan rather than focusing on the entire vanvaas track. And as a result, everything has started to flounder

Yay for the small wins. Me too, had to start a different show a couple of months ago😆 Nice seeing you again Risha :)

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WittyFlair

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: iProprioceptor
I think the main issue is that the minor characters cannot seem to function at all without Shivika.😕 So much so that they have to always be interjected into Shivika plotline to be able to function. That is why the whole vanvaas falls flat and the relationships ring hollow. Like you said, OBros are dropping into Goa every other day as if nothing ever happened! Why aren't their parents condemning them?😕
How exactly are we supposed to believe that their relationships have become strained?

And why on Earth are Ruvya getting married in Goa, when I'm assuming most of their friends and family live in Mumbai?🤔
I beg to differ on the Raavan plot, I could see it getting messy since the beginning. These bhootiya plots always end up being horrendous, especially in Gul's shows but she always insists on throwing them in.😆 But Shivaay trusting Veer blindly is no inconsistency cuz he's always been shown to trust ppl with NKK and that is a part of his character that will never change unfortunately.

W.r.t. to Anika, initially the GL trope was funny...but then it became so dragged out and redundant. It definitely does not work well as a 'comic relief' as the writers seem to project it.🥱

I'm 50/50 on the whole damsel in distress thing cuz I don't fully agree that she became weak. Yes, Anika has always fought her battles head on but she has always had a streak of vulnerability which was exposed fully first time Daksh attacked her and this time the string of attacks are similar in tone. And I think her fear of darkness has also rendered her more vulnerable at times, which I feel the writers should explore better. And just like Shivaay saved her during Daksh attacks, he is saving her again. This has always been a standard trope with Shivika.

And I think its pointless to expect OmRu to stand up to their parents or develop as characters cuz they can't even function without being interjected into Shivika plot. Which is annoying because they seem to always drag down Shivika. Shivika were doing so well initially in the vanvaas when they were on their own and we didn't have a bunch of minor characters dragging them down.🤔 Sorry if this hurts ppl and I realise it is not the politically correct thing to say, but it's how I feel.

I was thinking about other shows that I've really liked in the past, and what I realized is that the shows that I've really liked were shows that had a really strong supporting cast. Where every character at least as a scope to do something. And then you have IB here where someone like Shakti will go for months without saying anything substantial, hence that whole "Bhaisaab please" has become such a fandom trope

OmRu are dropping into Goa and their parents aren't saying anything is just so odd. Really Tej should be giving them ultimatums to choose the Oberois vs Shivaay. It's only Gauri at home who is getting the taunts from TejVi. There's a sudden one-mistake policy in OM now where once a mistake is done, Tej will do that person's shraadh😕 But Tej himself who has been oscillating between wife and mistress since the beginning of the show expects to be forgiven for his actions. I do agree like if OmRu were allowed to be stronger characters, they would be interjected less into the Shivika plotlines.

I watched QH (unfortunately), that's why I called this track "QH-esque". I had to take the episodes on a day to day basis, because I was so hot and cold with them, but I figured hey if the trp audience likes it, then I can't really complain...well whaddya know😆

I agree that initially Anika is vulnerable in certain situations, such as her fear of the dark. But once the NDE's became repetitive, it was a bit odd that she wasn't shown brainstorming a trap with Shivaay. Especially when the bluetooth idea worked immediately.

With Shivaay, he does trust people with NKK. But even if they're strangers. I'm reminded of that line he said to Prinku's husband (forgot his name😆): that he's not so forward with people he doesn't know

Why is the wedding in Goa? Destination wedding😆...that's the only possible explanation that I can come up with lol

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shewolf.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#14

I have been wanting to discuss the vanvaas from some time now and.. here we go.

First off as you said a lot of people came back to watch IB for the track but if you look closely you'll see even the start of the vanvaas was really really weak plot wise. You never jump into the track head first. Every track is always started as a sub to the previous and then brought to the front when the other is resolved. There's always an intro - conflict - resolution.

The intro was weak, the main chunk that had to establish the track wasn't on a solid foundation, but people bought it cause no matter how weak the script was the performance were top notch by everyone. But does that save a show. no. The characters are never the king of the story it's always the script.

I am somebody who has fought with her family and lived in a hostel to study way down in Coimbatore, and I am from Mumbai. And mind you I'm one of the most detached person you'll ever meet and I remember spending months being home sick. But I do agree everyone has their own way of dealing with it. And this is just something I had a problem with. LOL ignore that.

But anyway I was really looking forward to the use of METAPHORS and FORESHADOWING. why the caps and the bold and italics? b/c these are such important terms when it comes to script and storytelling. These are such beautiful enhancements that you add the story but they should never be in your face. That spoils the beauty of things.

I mean seriously even though Ram left Ayodhya the kingdom still stood for 14 years. The fact that the entire Okhandan is dependant to such an extent on Shivaay is so laughable and so wrong character wise. All the characters in the OM are their own person before being related to each other. The fact that they cannot function is such a huge character assassination of all them just to make one look good.

And the second being Ravan, even though Ravan is portrayed as a villain he waited till the end for Sita to give up on Ram, even though he kidnapped her, he never once touched a single hair on Sita. And here we have Veer. This takes disappointment to a whole other level.

You never use metaphors that way. If I were to submit this script for my script and storyboard evaluation, I'd straight up get a course repeat or they'll send me back to foundation year.

So when I see this being written by people who have had years of experience in handling different shows do such injustice to a script it actually makes me question if they really know what they're doing.

I can go on and on about things but well this is getting too long and I have work left to do so.. I'll write more later.

Peace.

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travelholic

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Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: charismatic-gem

Absolutely. The reverse is true when it comes to the Pia track, if Anika (or any of the females for that matter) pulled a stunt like that, no way the guys would have forgiven them so quickly.

I feel the makers are just writing the show myopically. When I thought of the vanvaas tracks, there were so many what-ifs in my mind. But instead they opted for focusing on Gul's favorite staple: sheer villainy. It's like they get carried away by a small detail and then disregard the overall picture. Aka here they are super focused on the Raavan rather than focusing on the entire vanvaas track. And as a result, everything has started to flounder
Yay for the small wins. Me too, had to start a different show a couple of months ago😆Nice seeing you again Risha :)

Rish - for me this another level of creepiness by veer killed it. Like what the heck - we have daksh number 3 for Anika and again creepiness and what not from his end. Was this needed?

Wasn't ravan respectful of Sita throughout - with the creepiness they have legit killed the potential of the track.

Anyways, Cg it's a hot mess as you said ;) - for now only getting updates from you would suffice. Watching ke liye no time or patience or ability to laugh at it anymore ;)

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WittyFlair

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Posted: 7 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: LordLuminous
Totally!

The Vanvaas feels watered down and the Ruvya Shaadi just ended it for me.

To be honest, the villain overdose and win doesn't seem to work anymore. It wasn't even interesting. Tia won and it just pushed Rikara to Shivika, when literally everyone asked for them to be separated. It's counter productive. I think they should have stopped showing Tia and started focusing on drama between the family, which seemed way more interesting then forcing Tia into a forced bond with TejVi and those two having absolute faith in someone that tried to ruin their lives.

It's just a mess now. No way to fix it. Now, like the separation track, the scenes will now work against the villains and show them losing instead of the heroes. Like how Annika suddenly started talking back to Pinky, OmRu will magically start talking back to TejVi

I think I agree with some fans who think Shivaay's greatness is overdone. Much to my distaste, it's as though he's being overglorified. This track will end with Shivaay setting everything straight and that he ultimately protected everyone and set the house together again. Maybe I'm wrong on that. You can debate me on this.

I think OmRu and Gauri should have fought against TejVi a lot more instead of trying to expose Tia. The internal conflict within the family seemed more interesting to me, I can't understand why they ignored the oppourtunity to explore so much. Especially Om and Jhanvi's twisted relationship.

Awesome post, Ruby!

Hey hey...I think this is the first time I'm actually interacting with you on IF😆

There's no connection as to why Tia even wants to break up Rikara. It's all come out of the blue. Clearly they're aiming Svet for Shivika, and (likely) Sumo for Ruvya. So Tia is for Rikara. But there hasn't been a good enough explanation as to why Tia wants to wreck their marriage and why Gauri will have to fight to

He's definitely overglorified. There's no need to debate you on it, because that's exactly what will happen. Shivaay will come to rescue the day, while whipping his hair in the process. The writer only writes for him😆

The writers write so shabbily because for some reason they get so focused on a small idea that they lose the emphasis on the overall picture. The picture are the divides that were created amongst the family during the vanvaas. But the focus right now is currently on Tia pulling these random stunts.

I would have loved to see more anger from Rudy towards Tej. It's about time he didn't kowtow to his father. And i would have loved to see the rift form between Om and Jhanvi as she was the instigator of the vanvaas, another point that everyone has forgotten in the show. The possibility of maybe Rudy and Pinky bonding over the loss of Shivaay also sounds nice. I mean I'm no writer and this took me not even a minute to think up. I would think for more seasoned writers, formulating a well written track shouldn't be that difficult or that time-consuming. Instead of injecting substances that can temporarily paralyze people and cause memory loss😕😆

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WittyFlair

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Posted: 7 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: kala16
Agree 100% with each and everybody comment.1/2 hr show started off with Bareilly track and Rikara reunion.Next they brought Pia track which was a bad move by the CVs. Suhaag Raat track was overdone. It was cringe worthy.
Vanvaas track was ok with shivaay leaving the house.Abhay disappeared after a single episode.

After this veer track was introduced they totally forgot to show OM scenes. Even this track.is taking the show to a downhill.

Bringing a popular actor alone will not help. A show needs a proper story.

Rival show has got average looking actors but still maintaining slot leader position
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IB has such talented bunch of actors but they are not able to do justice to their talents.

A compelling story helps to bring an audience in, I agree :)

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Kirthi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: charismatic-gem
*Shivaay is shown to have blind trust in Veer - what on earth has Veer done at this point to have earned such blind trust?
Veer saved Annika from dying...Remember That blue injection that Veer gave Annika when she was poisoned...😆that's the thing that made Shivaay blindly trust Veer...And as far as Shivaay is concerned...Veer doesn't have any objective to be behind this plans...He is happily married to Monali and has a kid...And also with the umpteen no.of NDE's happening back to back...they Shivaay didn't get time to concentrate on the issues too...Hopefully something happens that would trigger Shivaay's suspicion...
*The next door neighbor has planted cameras in the house to spy on his neighbor's wife. And plants NDE attacks on her over and over again with his fake wife and real wife in order to try to make her look insane. Yeah, I'm not really sure that's something a happy family wants to see at night...
Roger that...😆

*Tia breaking up Rikara - this makes no sense at all
Well nothing Tia does is making sense now...After all those positive Tia scenes we had...this 180 shift is totally confusing.....Svetlana ke ek sentence sunke he itna hatred refill karke vapas aa gaya...

*Tej and the whole batwaara issue. They really didn't do anything except for the whole flour on the ground sequence 😆
and how can we forget how the party was held in one half of OM...man that was so humiliating...😆

*There have been no real scenes of Pinky and Shakti attempting to interact with their son...
Been waiting for this...but...
*sigh*

*Jhanvi is suddenly the "evil saas" blaming Gauri for all the Oberoi's problems
I blame it on Tia...😆
She must be doing hypnotizing reiki on Tejvi...unable to understand their devotion to Tia here...matlab .Tej breaks all the plates because Shivaay bought it...and still keep Tia who was brought to OM by Shivaay...
Besides I FF or even if I'm watching I mute the OM scenes these days...so...😆
*Dadi who is quick to act whenever Pinky or Jhanvi react inappropriately, has said barely a thing to Tej
Yeah...thought Dadi would man up and slap Tej for his Shrad act...anyways khair chodo..nothing's gonna happen...😆

*And the idea of a "vanvaas", that the pain of the separation was that Shivaay was going to be "gone" for good. Here the OBros are dropping into Goa as if Shivaay lives next door 😆
Tell me about it...😆
so disappointed with OmRu turning up at Shivaay's doorstep...but then again alternate option was a darar in obro bond...so this seems better...
**Today's epic sequence: Veer injects Anika and paralyzes her. And apparently Anika loses all of her senses, including her ability to hear. Like what😆
Did a Google search about the existence of such a drug and apparently there is...dunno if it's some troll post that I came across...😆
Anyways after Svetlana's umpteen no. of magical potions in DBO yeh tho hona he tha...akhir ek he khoon hein veer aur svety mein...

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Amazing post dear...

Hope the cv's solve the issues before everything becomes a mess...

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WittyFlair

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Posted: 7 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: ks_angel
@zara1ksg..

Each person has their own way of coping with the situation...And Shivaay and Annika are trying to live it their own way...You will understand that if you have really watched the episode of the so called dance of Shivika...the pain of leaving their loved ones is embedded in their souls...and they are living with it that pain...

let's not forget here that they were forced out of OM...and as if now there is no hope for them to ever go back to OM...but they try to smile in spite of all the pain...they are trying to become strong so as to be the support for each other...

Happy wala scenes were for cheering each other up...Annika has done that to cheer Shivaay many times...and it happened when Shivaay realized that Annika is in pain too...Shivaay and Annika are dancing and singing doesn't mean they are happy and enjoying honeymoon...it means they are burying the pain deep inside and living...

About the pain OmRu are in... Shivaay was forced to walk out of OM by Tejvi...far away from the family that really belongs to Shivaay more than Tejvi ever could claim...away from the family that Shivaay and Annika loves with whole heart...it's obvious that OmRu would be burdened by what their parents did...

And also OmRu are the ones who are entrusted upon by their brother to take care of their family in his absence...And that family is breaking into pieces...right before their eyes and they are unable to do anything...there is hatred everywhere...there is bitterness everywhere...their is hurt everywhere...Wouldn't OmRu feel defeated...and feel that they have failed their own brother...?

Agreed to what you said...This dropping in of OmRu in Goa is kinda ruining the vanvaas...but then again..what other options do they have...show a fully blown fight between the three brothers...?so that they wouldn't want to talk or even look at each other...?

This is 21st century...and it's not like they can show the shivika vanvaas to the t and that too without any contact with the brothers...communication tho zaroor hoga he na...

Hopefully Rikara visit to Goa would be Just for Ruvya track...they can't leave OM like this particularly when the family is breaking...Maybe we will see a Om and Gauri returning back to OM to deal with all the issues there with new vigour...

Shivika's pain from the vanvaas wasn't glossed over. They did show the pain that both of them were feeling from the lack of family. They've been coping with the loss off and on since then. Also the bonds from ShivOmRu were not broken per se, rather it was the distance between them that was. Hence the pain was much less than say if they actually stopped being brothers to each other

That's the thing though. How well kept is the family now? There's a line of flour separating the family in two. It seems that the idea of OmRu being the pillars of the family was put to the side to promote Tia and her stunts.

I do find it odd that Rudy is getting married in Goa away from his family. I feel like eloping would just be added stress to the Oberoi family at this point😆

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Ms.Lizzie

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Posted: 7 years ago

#20

The reason for vanvas itself put me off to be be frank. From various posts on IF I guess it's a Ramayana thing about a mother's insecurity. However Jhanvi did the whole drama of vachan for Tej's sake not for omru. So guess I lost the plot there itself.

I agree in modern day a vanvas without call or message would be impossible. So, nothing against Skype chatting. But writers could have avoided that so called new year celebration. I don't understand what good it bought to the story or show. For all I know what showed in news segments was scrapped. Makers might as well let ShiVika celebrate in Goa, RiKara could have done whatever they do to celebrate in OM and Rudy could have actually partied with friends.

Glorifying villains is a thing now. And it works a lot. Trust me I love it. I can even cite movies where glorifying villains have worked super well. However, it should be done with taste. No one enjoys mindless blabber in name of villain. Niketen is fantastic actor. Just give him good story. It's high time chemicals and villains are separated in the show.

Frankly bareilly track seemed a bit of DDLJ and Geet rip of. However the screen space all three Jodi's gained was appreciable. The intention behind piya track was unclear. I didn't like the way it ended.

I don't know how many will agree but my favorite was Pari track. It had Obroa separately, Obahus separately, comic relief at the same time all three couples had time to deal with their personal life as well. I guess at that time Shivika had Ragini fiasco, RiKara had uncertainty about love issue and RuVya their compatible issue. That was one entertaining week for me

First makers should decide what is their genre. Is it family drama or romance or comedy or sci fi.

What everyone here needs to understand is that it is a STORY. And what is important in a story is CONSISTENCY. When someone complains about Shivika romancing in Goa and OmRu crying in OM they are only complaining about bad story telling, no one is against ShiVika being happy.

Edited by Ms.Lizzie - 7 years ago

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