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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: napstermonster

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Innika love I don't know why you attracted this specific group of leftovers from an ex show, but loved your points and the way you tried to handle the negative and shrill NAHI!!! You SuX comments! It's a sad case when even your famous calm and sensible and polite rejoinders don't't have the usual mature effect --- I was a touch appalled at how swiftly the pointlessly negative, unnecessary and aggressive voices climbed into this positive post. Your headnote stating you didn't want bashers didn't quite work.. but it's expected I suppose, they came back to the deep sea from the wading pool and have to congregate and pick fights somewhere. Too bad that they chose your post. Please keep writing and posting obviously we outnumber the shrill minority. Peace (lol)
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Navin u got my heart with this comment - love all the anicdotes

Both of you keep writing as beautifully as you do - love and peace 🤗
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Innika.



I agree with the long-lost sibling track, and them not being related, as the best way to go. However, judging by the fact that all three women have dodgy childhoods, and two of them explicitly remember their family being taken away from them, I highly doubt that they eventually won't take the long-lost sibling track.
I'm not sure about DBO, because I gave up on the whole thing very early on. If she indeed has a little brother, then I stand corrected. Again, my lack of knowledge about DBO probably makes me misinterpret her character. If she isn't moral then, she is justice-hungry, which I still like. I liked the premise of a greyish ACP too, although I liked it more with Randhawa, then Bhavya. As for execution, I think the character has been terribly written as well - as is every other character on the show, apart from Shivaay (IMO). But in all honesty, I think that even if Bhavya was the most ideal woman ever, she still wouldn't be a favourite. Most people on the forum haven't gotten over Saumya, which is understandable. However, I hope everyone eventually does - because if a replacement for a layered character like Ishaana can be accepted, so can this new one.
You honestly can't look for logic in this show. There is absolutely no foresight in any of these plotlines, so the NT track shouldn't be any different! I have a theory for her nightmares though; it appears that her nightmares are triggered during more emotionally taxing situations, which is a psychological phenomenon that is evident in many trauma victims. While her childhood hasn't been explored much, it is obvious that it was traumatic. The repeated references to violence and begging in her nightmares, implies some form of abuse or another. Her adoptive family was not seen directly, however, it has been mentioned that Sahil was very young when he lost his parents, which suggests that both Annika and Sahil were looked after his Bua for quite a long time. There has already been manhandling seen there, in earlier episodes. As for not remembering anything about her family which is why she stopped looking, I refute that. Annika is shown, repeatedly, to be determined, and obsessed with theorising from dregs of evidence. I doubt that, even if she knew nothing else about her family but that dream, she would look. The lack of resources, would make a lot of sense here.
I think that when I say Gauri had the best childhood out of the three women, I mean that she, at least, had some form of guidance. Annika spent her childhood mothering Sahil and trying to make ends meet, and Bhavya's past is still a mystery, other than the fact that all of her family was murdered. And while I think that you are right about Gauri not being cookie-cutter, I think she has not been characterised well. From your description, she seems to be a mix between a unicorn, that we have seen post-merger, and Ishaana. As a character, she still confuses me. Sometimes, she appears to be all-forgiving, and other times, she seems to get angry extremely fast. She fights back to Pinky and the villains, but she appears defenceless in front of the man that treated her like crap. I repeat, she confuses me. If she is as grey as you make her seem, then I wish this was more evident in her characterisation. In IB, apart from yelling at Om once or twice, and fighting back to Pinky, I don't see a grey Gauri. I just see a self-respecting woman at her wit's end.
Personally, I don't like the dynamic between Annika and Gauri as sisters, because together, they don't seem to be particularly different from each other, which is frustrating.
I'm wondering how large this family secret is as well - we are all kind of seeing it as the be all, and end all. I just hope it doesn't fall short.
Good to hear your input!


I missed your reply.

Honestly, I don't remember if it was a brother or sister so let's stick to she has/had a younger sibling lol. I'm not sure if what happened in DBO still applies to IB because Gauri is no longer grey or at least at the moment. Maybe there was another change in the tracks?The inconsistent writing is one of the major issues I have with the show. Completely agree with you all the characters are varying degrees of underdeveloped. I can't speak for others, but Bhavya would be a favorite for me if the writers didn't make her so cartoonish. Sometimes it feels like the writers are sabotaging her character with the scenes she is given and how its presented to the audience. I'm not sure if its just lazy writing or the writers are following some sort of formula to keep the TRP audience happy that I don't know about.

Your theory about her nightmare makes sense, but I feel like we put more thought into the characters and the show than the writers do lol. Anika like the other characters is altered to fit the current track that's why I take it one episode at a time. Who knows what the reason for her reaction and lack of action will be.

Honestly, I prefer none of them being related, but even NB gang ended up being related then unrelated with Romi being kicked out. However, if I had to choose based then I prefer Gauri because of her grey DBO persona, but to each his own. I'm with you a 100% I hope the secret doesn't turn out to be a huge letdown.

The show has a lot going on and most of it is unexplored so I'm always here for a fresh perspective. I enjoy reading posts like this so please do keep posting.

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Posted: 8 years ago
Wow.
Innika, my love, I am sorry that your post has been hijacked by the keyboard warriors. It's quite easy to be mean and spread negativity when you are behind a screen and not accountable for your actions. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised after the recent activities that have been going on here. That is the main reason I have stopped coming here as often.

Coming to your post, the way you analyse the characters and observe all the nuances, let me just say if I didn't already know what you chose as a career, your posts would point me in the right direction. You are that good. I love reading everything you pen down.

I'll be honest, I haven't connected to Bhavya or Gauri. That maybe because I never followed DBO, so I wasn't around for their inception and have no idea about their conflicts or growths. The little I know about DBO was that it was trying to dip its toe into the Sci-fi pool with Svet as the main attraction. With the merger, I feel like I have opened the book to a random page and started reading from there with no idea about the character, plot or story.

As far as the sisters plot is concerned, I think Gul might have forgotten about it. You see, Gul has a habit of stretching one big secret for the entire series. There is one plot that is central to the show which she has advertised since the beginning and she'd milk once the TRPs drop. That arc is the Vanvaas track. How the rift between the brothers is created, how one of them might leave the mansion with his better half and how all of them will be dealing with its aftermath was supposed to be the main selling point of the show after they made us fall in love with the brothers. So I am expecting that this track will not come into play anytime soon. Now as far as Annika and her lost sister are concerned, I swear I feel that Gul is just playing with us at this time. She starts with the track, spoon feeds us information and then she leaves it at that. Do you remember how Annika was afraid of the dark? So much so that she had nightmares about Chutki? When the kidnappers came to kidnap Pari and cut off the power supply of the mansion, she didn't even flinch no? Or did I miss something in that scene? All of these amendments and adaptations just mess with the characters and the stories and honestly, for me, break the fourth wall.

Another reason I am not expecting much from the track is because of past evidence. Do you remember Mahi? The broken, adorable character that we all fell in love with and made posts about? No? He looked liked Shivaay with black eyes? Played a mouth organ? Is it coming back to you? Well, Gul has clearly forgotten him. It was proved that Mahi and Shivaay are twins. Annika knows it. Omkara knows it. Rudra knows it. And none of them did a thing. With the way their characters were written, don't you think they should have made atleast some effort? I mean, Annika is all subservient in regards to Pinky because she never had a mother. Because she understands the importance of family. Well, Mahi is family as well. Omkara was written as a man who values honour about everything. The first three-four months the writers really drove home the point that he would choose truth above his family. I loved, loved his character. A man who was a poet, an artist and has the honour of a J.K. Rowling hero? Gimme more of that. But then they went ahead and completely butchered the track with the accident track when he kept quiet to save Prinku. And then his turning into this Shivaay type clone for all intents and purposes, it just killed his essence. He wasn't Om anymore. But still, I'd like to think he had the last vestiges of his honour that he wouldn't just forget about another brother. And Rudra, the guy hero worships his elder brothers. They are his idols. How he doesn't care that there is one more of them out in the world, suffering on the streets, abused since he was a child is a question I have stopped asking myself.

The reason for this long, long rant was to justify my zero hopes regarding Annika and her sisters track. Also, Innika, didn't they show Bhavya's sister calling her Bhavya didi? So if the Cvs do decide to merge the lost sister story of the two Oberoi bahus (are there no other tracks?), how will the get out of this mess? Or they'll just conveniently forget they showed something like this and expect us to do the same.

Also, I was borderline appalled that you had to put that disclaimer at the start of your post. The characters you are talking about are fictional. They are meant for public consumption. You are allowed to critique (which wasn't even what you were doing in the first place) a character. That doesn't make your love for them any less. People are also allowed to not agree with you. They are entitled to their own opinions. But this, this blind hero-worship where they whip anyone one who even dares to say a word against their 'faves', these knights on white horses running off to a war not taking place in the name of monarchs not ruling any dynasty, fighting soldiers with no weapons, well...its just pretty sad. The internet is a cesspool of trolls and negativity. Wade through it and you do you, my love.

Loved reading your thoughts, as always.

Much love,
Richa.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: yayini


Well.. This bold statement of yours puts the rest to peace,dear.. Damage control is all you can do now..😆


The real issue would be if I didn't believe in, and it was said in a fit of rage. I guarantee you that I don't want to do damage control - because one should never retreat from being truthful!
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: priya_86


Oh come on...no one is defensive over here...
How can I be defensive when I am one of the biggest Gauri bashers ...I love Shrenu Parikh...but Gauri is just getting on my nerves.

And I dont think in any of my comments I am defensive...why should I be defensive...that too for a fictional character???😕

Just gave an opinion...because in ATs cross discussions aren't allowed


When I said defensive, it was not just targeted to you singularly. It was addressed to the whole fandom, who misconstrued this post and turned it into a huge bashing post. I have no problems in hearing anyone's opinion, as long as everything is said in good faith, and politely. Unfortunately, there have been multiple places in this thread where that wasn't met.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: yayini


i dont understand the same too priya.. like everyone we are voicing our opinions too.. and then it becomes defensive.. what is difference between opinion and defensive.. i think ppl need to get cleared.. like it was said, when we voice out our opinions, ppl take it as making "Huge deal" and "OTT" and those comments which are in line to this analysis are termed as mature conversations.. I dont get it.. at all😕


It's completely okay to voice your opinions - no one can stop you from doing that. However, it is interpreted as defensive because the replies come across more invasive and impolite, than others do. And no, mature conversations are not only acknowledged if they agree with this analysis. For example, yellowmellow did not agree with this post, but they put their opinion across in a very passive, polite way.
That is the difference.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: lakshmi32

RIKARA FANS IS NOT BASHING ANY OTHER COUPLES IN THISE FORUM.. THEY ONLY REACT WHEN SOMEONE SAID ANYTHING AGAINST OM OR GAURI.. AS A RIKARA FAN I ALSO KNOW THAT..HAAN SOME NEWBIES POSTING AGAINST OTHER COUPLES AND FAVORING RIKARA.. BUT THAT TIME TOO RIKARA FANS OPPOSSED THAT NEWBIES..


Maybe not you or your circle, but you have to acknowledge that RiKara fans do bash. The other two fandoms do as well - but the only reason that your fandom is currently under fire is that the new users who do use the forum to start wars are usually from the RiKara fandom.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: parthianglory.

Innu! 🤗

Firstly, your post is insightful and intelligently put, which is why I enjoyed reading it so much. Thought-provoking discussion, like yours, makes visiting the forum worthwhile.

Coming to the post, I can see why you had to attach such an elaborate disclaimer. It's that one particular fandom that really puts me off this show and this forum. Also, to the people who attack Manasi as an actress: grow up. Criticizing her action scenes as Bhavya is the same as criticizing Shrenu for Gauri's speech impediment. Neither actresses have control over what their characters are made to do and forced to behave. Let's stop attacking people for what they cannot change.

Ignore the passive aggression and bring forth the intellectual discussion.

We've spoken at length about this before and so you already know where I stand on this matter. This entire sister track makes me nauseous because it seems like a Four Lions' trademark, it is just that overused. The idea of a set of sisters unknowingly and coincidentally marrying a set of brothers is so pathetically banal and I would much prefer if neither Gauri nor Bhavya are Annika's Chutki. In fact, I would even hate for another actress to come in as Chutki as the cast is already too big and the perpetual struggle for screen space is very controversial amongst certain fandoms. I wish Annika would just get closure. The likelihood of finding one's long lost (supposedly dead sister) is minimal in reality and though, it would be heartwarming to see Annika finally reunite with her sister, it would be so much more satisfying to see her just make peace with her past.

Nevertheless, if the writers eventually do progress with the sister track, I agree with you: Bhavya has greater potential as Annika's sister. If we ignore the evident mistakes that writers have made in establishing her character/background and concentrate simply on her personality and intentions, Bhavya is a compelling protagonist. Her being a permanent fixture in OM can cause so much conflict of interest in the future. Moreover, her dynamic with Annika is intriguing as both these women with such damaged pasts deals with their respective traumas in absolutely divergent ways. I can definitely see a confrontation of epic proportions unfolding if Bhavya were to discover that Annika is her sister. The anger, resentment and obviously, eventual reconciliation would be delightful to watch. All in all, this is a story, that I could still buy into.

However, nothing would more cringeworthy than Gauri ending up as Annika's sister. No disrespect to Shrenu, (my criticism is purely directed at the writers) Gauri is eccentric, to put it mildly. So far, she seems unpredictable and it's difficult to understand if the writers are deliberately inconsistent with her or is just a confused person. Is she the sweet, loving unicorn? Or the so-called 'grey' character who can stand up to anyone except her husband? At times, Gauri is absolutely endearing, but there are also moments when I have to bury my face in my hands because she is so embarrassingly orthodox. I like the idea of Annika and Gauri being bonded by a close friendship because one cannot choose their siblings, but they can choose their friends. They became family, the moment they met, but the fact that they choose to maintain this relationship is so much more meaningful. The one thing I really love about Gauri is that she is steadfastly loyal to Annika and just like she has mentioned before that there doesn't need to be a label for their relationship, there also does not need to be blood ties between them because they are connected by their love for each other.

Merely the notion that Annika and Gauri must be related because they seem similar is ludicrous and laughable. Even if this was the case, the similarities between Annika and Gauri are superficial at best like you've mentioned. I agree that Annika and Gauri are both loud-mouthed oddballs who are intensely protective of their loved ones and can be very compassionate. But on a deeper, more subconscious level, Annika and Bhavya share greater similarities. Annika is indubitably an ESTP and Bhavya is an ISTP: both women are Sensors/Thinkers/Perceivers. To a large extent, both are rational people who prioritise thought over feeling. They tend to be stubborn and risk-prone, but are both inherently moral.

Conversely, ENFP Gauri is clearly emotional and driven by her feelings and intuition. Despite being warm and loving, she would resort to wrongful means for the sake of protecting her loved ones. This is a quality that I admire, but I do believe that this really sets her apart from Annika and Bhavya who are moral to a fault. Though I don't believe that personality can define the potential for a sibling relationship, even then, Bhavya is more similar to Annika than Gauri is.

If we have to have a sister track, my vote goes to Bhavya.

I'm sorry that a great post turned into a battle zone. Be fearless and keep posting your thoughts, because I love hearing that clear, analytical voice of reason!

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Hi Di!
I'm glad to see you back on the forum, because you practically never frequent it anymore! Are you already regretting it, by any chance? ;)
I know right?! You know that I spent practically three hours today ranting about this to you, so you know how frustrated I am. How long can one remain polite? I feel like this minority is out to wreak havoc here, and no one can do anything about it. And if someone else denies that there is bashing on the forum, I think I'm going to bang my head against a wall.
Again, I agree on the bashing actresses thing. God, its just so slow! You're entitled to your opinions but don't take it that extra level and advertise your hatred for them. And I still don't know why Mansi gets criticised for her action sequences - she can't do anything about it.
We have spoken at length about this, so I won't reply to the rest of your comment. You already know that my thoughts mirror yours! ILY ❤️
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: _PrincessPooru_

So ... Why are some of the people here trying and letting down Shrenu as an actress or Gauri as a character ... Itna time aur internet hain invest karne ke liye ... Even after you say you don't like her ... Relax Karo ... Kuch nahi milega yahaa dhoomtanana karke ... Me being a RiKara fan knows very well of how accepting and welcoming shrenalians are here ... So please don't get in unnecessary brawl... If fandom discussion and debate was to change the making of the show ... I tell you rikarians ne world war three kar diya hora abhi tak... Please go and discuss about what you like instead of fighting over what u don't ... We are Noway responsible for the making of the show ... People there are in business ... They know what they are doing ... So why do we have to worry about what the characters are up to ... The writers and actors have to and they will ... They are being paid hefty!


No one has put down Shrenu as an actress. Everyone is entitled to have characters they like, and characters that they critique - but there was absolutely no Gauri bashing on this post. I'm completely ambivalent to both Gauri and Shrenu, and last I checked, that does not automatically mean that I don't like her.
As for knowing how welcoming 'shrenalians' are, I'm not even going to bother starting that conversation.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: lakshmi32

If anyone said anything against our favorite couple.. We will react with valid point.. If our reaction is bashing for others.. It is their problem not ours..


That's fine - every fandom is like that. The issue is, where was your favourite couple bashed in this post?

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