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Posted: 8 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: -Ishqbaaaz-



Honestly I hope it's some kind of plan too. Else this is nonsense. Does takkar mean everything has to be tit for tat? This is getting immature and I dont know how I will digest all of next week's "romance" while Shivaay is "engaged" to another woman.

Today's Jhanvi-Pinky scene was weird. Why were they standing so close side by side like statues looking like they were waiting for something when Shivaay barged into the house in anger? Pinky had her phone in her hand. Moments ago Jhanvi and Pinky were locking heads over Shivika and then they were just standing around like that? Something looks fishy. They could have been shown doing something like sitting on the sofa watching tv/reading a magazine... why that position? And then when Shivaay does tod phod, why didnt Pinky and Jhanvi run to see what was going on? Pinky must have seen Anika coming in and going towards Shivaay's room... why did Pinky allow Anika to get there and be alone with Shivaay for that long without interrupting? My mind is going like this trying to figure out this plot 😆


YO !!!! i had the same doubt...😉..and how did Shivaay know which restaurant Annika was going to and reached before her !!!! And post lapse he is ALWAYS carrying that ipad with him !!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: asya34

. My remarks in black

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Posted: 8 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: ridz13sdqt

Thankyou for saying it now.. beautiful post.. on point..
I am glad people are atleast accepting the fact now that Annika has been so so wrong in all this since forever.. and it's just Shivaay who's suffering in this mess.. 😭 I have been saying it all along.. she chose to run away when the only point that Shivaay had tried to drill in her was that you don't leave.. no matter what.. you just don't leave.. and now when he's angry and telling her that she moved on and left.. I don't feel he is wrong at all.. 😔 he has become what his silly wife and brothers have made him.. lifeless and so deeply hurt..

And for the first time I agree with Harneet'S mantra.. "Don't ask me why.. just say Shivaay".. cz while SSO is the Great Wall that protects and cares for his family.. these people..they just couldn't do anything for him at all..

And the thought that pinky's NKK rant was just Shivaay's problem to deal with.. is so untrue..
a husband and a wife don't bail out and leave to let their spouse to deal with the issues of their lives alone.. YOU JUST DO NOT LEAVE THEM TO FACE IT ALONE.. 😭

This is all so wrong.. but ANIOMRU just can't salvage this situation at all.. only Shivaay can.. I am sure he will use his brains and get to the end of this..
whether he will get back to Annika is still a doubt for me..
what I would really want to see is how he reacts to the great mahaan sacrifice that his brilliant wife and brothers pulled out on him.. and how he feels after he finds out that the so called family he has been protecting has just been manipulating him all the time..I wonder how much more is he going to break...

I agree to your husband - wife equation comment. At the same time no husband who claims to love doesn't throws you out of the house in such a way for just 3 days of bitchy behavior. no private conversation? considering she is orphan, home less( took away her home), no finances. Worst of worst divorces have alimony why does he think she doesnt deserve that too( I will be okay with this behvior if divorce didnt happen).
Anyway I always wonder what would Shivaay do if he is in her position and the q is about OM's illegitimacy? We already saw him do that...He preferred to hide it from OM( so OM should as well should be upset w/him) and willingly let Saahil/Annika undergo the humiliation in Mrs K theft allegation to the point where they were about to surrender them to cops. He was not the one who stopped that time ..he kept quiet.
Ya however it is irritating and frustrating to see her sacrifice during forced separation track to some extent Annika character was justifiable..But this forced reunion is killing her entirely on different level. Just SC is saving the character w/ this poor track.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: -Ishqbaaaz-



Honestly I hope it's some kind of plan too. Else this is nonsense.
I fervently hope so too else we have been watching something remotely close to a 'Bachelor' series ...lol 😆


Does takkar mean everything has to be tit for tat? This is getting immature and I dont know how I will digest all of next week's "romance" while Shivaay is "engaged" to another woman.
Perfect points.
Takkar Ka Pyaar does not mean tit for tat ... it means an equal love, mutual respect and most of all each partner trying to not just match but exceed the other partner when it comes to showing their love and their 'junoon' towards their partner... that imo is Ishqbaazi - what ShivIka did prior to separation
Right now all I can see is a battle of wits, clash of egos (which looks very misplaced where Annika is concerned after what she pulled and has now realized was a bad decision) and each trying to out do the other when it comes to causing pain.
The FPH games are not the problem here but they way they are being played is what I have the issue with. Woo Shivvay, seduce him, lure him to you and in short make his world spin just by your romancing the man like he romanced you before you left him - don't use another man to batter his already wounded pride and self esteem!!!

Today's Jhanvi-Pinky scene was weird. Why were they standing so close side by side like statues looking like they were waiting for something when Shivaay barged into the house in anger? Pinky had her phone in her hand.
Glad you pointed tha out because again as per the theory that this is all an act it absolutely makes sense that they were standing there waiting for Shivvay and Annika to arrive. Of course they did not anticipate that he would be worked up by what he saw even if it was a plan ...lol😆
That whole meeting was fishy if you ask me ..😉

Moments ago Jhanvi and Pinky were locking heads over Shivika and then they were just standing around like that? Something looks fishy. They could have been shown doing something like sitting on the sofa watching tv/reading a magazine... why that position? And then when Shivaay does tod phod, why didnt Pinky and Jhanvi run to see what was going on? Pinky must have seen Anika coming in and going towards Shivaay's room... why did Pinky allow Anika to get there and be alone with Shivaay for that long without interrupting? My mind is going like this trying to figure out this plot 😆
If it is according to our theory a planned act then it makes total sense if not Harneet has lost it officially 😆

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Santhi_40



I agree to your husband - wife equation comment. At the same time no husband who claims to love doesn't throws you out of the house in such a way for just 3 days of bitchy behavior. no private conversation? considering she is orphan, home less( took away her home), no finances. Worst of worst divorces have alimony why does he think she doesnt deserve that too( I will be okay with this behvior if divorce didnt happen).

Anyway I always wonder what would Shivaay do if he is in her position and the q is about OM's illegitimacy? We already saw him do that...He preferred to hide it from OM( so OM should as well should be upset w/him) and willingly let Saahil/Annika undergo the humiliation in Mrs K theft allegation to the point where they were about to surrender them to cops. He was not the one who stopped that time ..he kept quiet. I completely agree with all you said here and believe me have said it myself too

Ya however it is irritating and frustrating to see her sacrifice during forced separation track to some extent Annika character was justifiable.. again I agree and hence I said I do not judge if she was wrong or right as it was the situation then and Shivvay WAS different then ... her fear of telling him about his birth was very very justifiable

But this forced reunion is killing her entirely on different level. Just SC is saving the character w/ this poor track. This is the part (just like you) I have issues with


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: mandu

Waiting to hear your take on my view above


Your whole post was bang on!! You said it so well and put everything down so clearly ... I did reply to it .. 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
#37
Pearl,
Dunno what game Anika is playing and do not blame Shivaay for his reactions at all. What man would welcome his wife ex or not with open arms without any explanations given for her outburst? It is highly immature and foolish of Anika to expect Billuji to welcome her back with a hug. I agree Nimmy and to make matters worse instead of repairing this crack between them with boundless love and affection our writer thinks that playing with a mans feelings and lowering his already bruised self esteem is cute and romantic ...lol
FNP games may make this man admit that he still loves her but it is not the right way to go about it ... they are making a comic strip of this very important track unless we are getting a reboot of the ML track as well where there is a plot

That said... Shivaay is just waiting for her apology first and foremost. he is watching her keenly without giving anything away. He is making her suffer just as he has suffered for the last 3 mos. His bros are with her and anyone with half an eye can see that their bond is still intact, despite calling them illegitimate and unworthy of the shares he was going to bestow on them. Again very true Nimmy ... it is clear as day that both his brothers still adore her and he just wants her to give him an explanation and apologize for abandoning him which she seems to have no intention of doing as per Harneets script 😕

She realized her error in leaving him alone to face the music n dancing to Ponky's tunes. Explain what happened and leave the decision to forgive/face the issue together or whatever the case maybe.
again i agree

IT is rather illogical to see her back like this although I am happy they are together in one roof. .. this taddi and FNP games need to take a back seat for a few episodes and she needs to shower her husband with love and care instead to help him heal and grow closer to her

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Posted: 8 years ago
#38
Hey Asya,
Me again...hope you remember me from your previous thread.

Yeah, I absolutely agree...I think Shivaay knows watever Annika did was a drama and she did it under some pressure...he just needs Annika to come clean..i feel like he has been waiting for this day since 3 months...

It's Annika and her antics that are getting on my nerves now..like you said, she just needs to apologize to her husband with all honestly and explain why she did what she did instead of doing all this jealousy drama...i know everyone wanted to see jealous shivaay...but this is so not the right time...i think all that Annika is doing is slowly infuriating Shivaay more and more...that man will just explode at her one day and it will look so justified...uska patience jawab de dega like that other day...lol...by making fun of him and belittling him at every point is not how you fight for your love and marriage. Why can't she just tell him the truth? Humph!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Loved your post pearl.. 😊 and it reflects everything that I have been feeling for the past month ever since the whole separation thing started.. Though I had a lot of fun watching today's episode (as it was just plain stupid comedy.. when you watch it as a separate individual episode not relating to the current story line).. I still hate the way they are going about this whole thing.. That is exactly my issue with it ... the writer seems to have lost it completely !!

I totally agree with what you said about Anika not being aware of the effects of her betrayal.. She was in a fix and having no proper experience of being in a committed and a loving relationship.. she only went by how she understood the man she loved.. for her Shivaay was a man who's entire being depended on the fact that he was a blue blood and even though he had accepted her without NKK that did not mean he was ready to let go his beliefs entirely when it came to himself or his family..and she probably was right there because even Shivaay himself may not have realised back then that he was way beyond NKK ever since he fell in love and committed himself to his wife.. so her decision then may not have been entirely wrong bcoz neither she nor her brothers / family ever thought that the consequences of her fake betrayal would be so bad.. they all believed that it probably was good for Shivaay's peace of mind.. nobody realised the depth of his love.. And I agree with you totally here ... if you look at Shivaay before she left him he had no idea what life would be like without Annika in it and that was the time and space they BOTH needed (she had her growth to achieve as well) ...

Today the Shivvay we see has had time to weigh and measure his priorities and that has made him one with a clearer vision ... what Annika did then (though I do not like to endorse it) was the decision that she felt was best given the facts about her husband THEN!!! He was the NKK Shivvay then.
But today that man is a chaged man who has had time to think and ruminate in the solitute of his heart what NKK really means to him when weighed and measured against his 'True' identity. He still remains Shivvay with or without it and he has realised that

But I dont think I entirely agree with you when you say that now everyone realises their fault, they should just bring the truth out in the open.. you see it was wrong for Anika to leave him when he needed her the most.. as a wife it was her duty to stand by him and be there for him.. and she realises that now.. but that doesnt mean she should go and reveal the biggest truth of his life which definitely would still further break him.. and that is why you tell him yourself before someone uses it as a weapon against him or to break him which Pinky is planning to do anyways ... is it better it comes as poison spouting from her or as a gentle truth from them?

Anika and her family still wouldnt want that truth out bcoz for them this truth really doesnt matter.. what does it matter if he is illegitimate? He is still the best son, the most respected loving brother, the loving and caring husband, the protective wall for the family.. And that is exactly why they SHOULD tell him ... because once they tell him he will understand that it has not changed anything in the relationship with any of them

But it would matter to him.. and they still want to protect him.. which is why Jhanvi still tries to bring sense into Pinky by trying to make her realise that she is ruining her son for something that truly doesn't matter! One truth that can break his entire existence and the whole family.. the ones who love him dearly would always want to hide it and protect him from it.. especially since they know what it means to him.. if it was actually Om or Rudra it wouldnt have been such big a deal.. but for Shivaay it always will be a very big deal and someone who loves you will themselves suffer but not let you suffer from the truth they believe they can keep from you.. Actually Jhanvi has no issues with Pinky telling him the truth she has issues with Pinky separating ShivIka for Pinky's ego and revenge ... she has never told Pinky not to tell Shivvay as far as I know because she herself told Annika that such a thing cannot be hidden forever.

Also I dont think it is a truth that needs to be told to him by anyone other than his parents.. it isnt anybody else's responsibility.. nor should anybody else divulge it.. it isnt their story to tell..
How else will Annika explain why she did what she did? She cannot apologize for her act without explaining why??
I agree that it is his parents responsibility and it IS their story to tell but Pinky has used that as a bait to make her do what she wanted
This IS a parent who is also hell bent on ruining him because of this ... As Annika said today Pinky is not even considered by Annika as Shivvay's mother anymore so why should Annika not step in and intervene at this point ... it seems Shivvay's happiness and well being is solely her responsibility now


Dont take me wrong.. Im against hiding the truth from your husband or your family but if some truth really harms you more than it does good its better left in the dark.. that is what I believe.. I agree and in certain circumstances where it benefits the person but how is keeping this from Shivvay benefitting him???


there is nothing to be gained here except probably Pinky's truth coming out.. but who would gain from that?
Who Would gain from that!!??? Shivvay and Annika !!! Their love, their marriage and their future!!!
That is what needs to happen if you want this husband and wife to trust each other again ... Shivvay needs to know who is the responsible party?? Are you expecting that Annika should wait years and years before Pinky decides she has been wrong ??


Wouldnt it be better if Pinky finally came around and then she herself gently reveals the truth by explaining him that she was wrong to believe in NKK and make him so vulnerable to NKK? That she loves him even if he isnt her blood? That is the ideal scenario and the family will always want that to be the only way if the truth ever comes out.. 😊
That is an IF and a very big IF ..lol And came around when??? When Shivvay is married to another woman and Annika has disappeared for good from his life??? How does that help either of them??
If Pinky does that then it solves all problems but what if she does not do it the way you mentioned and makes a big huge media circus out of this whole thing ... then what?? Who is responsible for what Shivvay does then??


But I 100% agree.. these Jealousy and FNP games are not the way to go! Anika should apologise..she should be very sorry and explain.. let him know that she feared coming in between his relationships.. she feared that their marriage was the reason they were facing problems and that his mother never accepted her.. He knows that.. he would understand the reason then that she didnt want to be the reason of a fallout between the mother and son.. She did try to warn him that it was his mother who was trying to separate them but he wasnt ready to accept it so she had to fake all this and leave bcoz she thought it was best for him.. and now she realises that her biggest mistake was to give up on their marriage.. That is half the truth and to me that sounds very much like a lie ... it is insulting Shivvay's trust and intelligence

I believe that she should come clean but not by telling him the truth about his birth.. she should be truthful about the reason she left him.. which was that she didnt trust the strength and power of their relationship.. she should have stood by him.. as he had always asked her to.. she should have believed that both of them would face everything together no matter what.. this will lead to him asking 'what made you think we were not strong enough', 'what has my mother to do with this again', 'why are you making this about my mother and me again' ... no I am sorry but that makes it only worse ... it is evading the truth and that will make him more infuriated.
If you have decided that you want to tell the truth then in such cases t
he good old fashioned truth is best

Right now the CVs seem to have made this lovely mature relationship into a teenage play.. I guess I can accept this for a week max.. but not more than that.. they both need to calm down and think and realise where they are going wrong.. Trying to get a reaction is one thing but continuously trying to make him jealous is just downright ridiculous.. She's manipulating his feelings to assure herself that he still has feelings for her.. I hate that HS is making Anika look so immature when this is the same Anika who has such a mature understanding of life and relationships.. similarly Shivaay has shut his mind for a long time now.. he needs to wake up and smell the grass!! He needs to think as to why would she buy the house and still let everyone live with her..He should realise that the Anika he loves is still there trying to poke him for reactions and if she did move on there is no reason for her to be here..And why is everyone in the house except Pinky happy to have her back.. I get that they are trying to get back into the trp game.. but they need to hurry up with the nonsense and get back to track.. they have already ruined such a beautiful mature relationship by making both of them stupid..! Its just unacceptable to experience such a mature conversation between them after the jungle track and then watch them be like this.. agree 100% ... please bring the essence and ehsaas of the show back Harneet 😆

P.S. I really love your theory about a plan within a plan..😉 but Im just not able to digest it looking at the episodes.. there should have been some proper hints at least like we had during the ML track.. right now it just seems that both of them are behaving stupid..😆 But seriosuly I would love it if it is a plan.. I dont think Shivaay knows the truth but if he's planning to find out the truth at least even that would be welcome! 😆 me too believe me 😊

P.P.S. Also I really dont think this track will go until the actual engagement.. Shivaay is just trying to make her jealous as well..it would totally ruin everything and I would feel like I have wasted my last 6 months if they actually go ahead with a Shivaay and Rags engagement!! An actual engagement would mean the whole last 1 year didnt even happen.. and I dont think Harneet is that stupid.. this is supposedly supposed to be a test of love track...if that's the case they shouldnt move on with other people even if it is fake! 😡 true again

Sorry ended up with a very long post! 😆 no worries ... glad you did 😃

Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: remyaachandran




YO !!!! i had the same doubt...😉..and how did Shivaay know which restaurant Annika was going to and reached before her !!!! And post lapse he is ALWAYS carrying that ipad with him !!!
Meri Jaan !!! you caught the other thing that I was mentioning to Ruzz in the PM's ...lol
Glad it is not just me
😃 and her falling could have been plating a bug in his pocket and what is with the termination letter ??!!!

As he pointed out rightly - I did not even hire you ???
😆
Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago

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