Women- why can't self-respect and loving a man go hand in hand ?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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"People with low self-esteem are more likely to sabotage themselves when something good happens to them, because they don't feel deserving. "

A common theme on the forums off late has been : a woman's self-respect. As a woman, I value this idea, but I also feel like, on Indian TV, we confuse self-esteem of woman as having something to do with who they should fall in love with and how. In refrence to my quote above, I feel like even if Anika falls for the Shivaay, she IS STILL respecting herself. Why ? Because she is choosing to go after something that SHE knows could bring her a lifetime of joy. SHE can see and feel the bond they share or could possibly share. SHe can sense that they're soulmates, SHE has seen his soft side, he has given her soul-piercing stares that only she could feel. She DOES have her self-esteem intact and SHE feels like she deserves the kind of love that her and Shivay can share in the future. If she didn't have self esteem, she would not even entertain the thought of continuing to have a bond with a family who are from a different class than her.

Now coming to how he treats her and what he said about her yesterday. Honestly,how many "perfect" relationships do we see these days ? How many couples say the right things at the right time to each other ? Probably none. That doesn't change the fact that they may bring out the best in each other or be life partners.

Yes, he's rude, but when a man works hard to achieve a certain level of success, he feels like he deserves certain things, and he never though that Anika would fit into his life. So, even though his words are bitter and rude, he is being practical enough to state that he thought he deserved a certain life partner ( successful, rich, elite), but like they say, "don't mix business with pleasure". He has yet to understand that his pleasure is Anika, and it is okay if she has nothing to do with his career goals or the ideal life that he imagined. But, one cannot deny that he loves her, it IS love from his side, already. You don't hold a nobody's hand so many times and refuse to let go until they remind you to let go 😊 He depends on her ( mera kya hoga), fears losing her ( yeh aakhri din kya laga rakha hai), senses her presence, finds her adorable ( party scenes), subconsciously wants her to share a comfort level with him ( Call me Shivaay), feels responsible for her ( main drop kar dunga when Om offers to drop her). We only do these things for/with that special someone in our lives, and she is already special to him, more special than his ex-gf or current gf.She is a woman sho holds significance in his life.


Secondly, I read that Surbhi clarified how Anika is not yet in love. This is where I would beg to differ. Nothing against her, but if this is what the CVs are trying to portray, then they are doing a VERY poor job at it.

If Anika didn't love Shivaay yet, she wouldn't :

1) Choose the words " My life started revolving around you" when telling Shivaay how she feels. They don't share a friendship for her to say that just out of respect. Secondly, if it was just sadness due to a change of daily routine, she would NOT attach emotions to a single person : Shivaay!

2) Tear up when Sahil asked her if she would meet Shivaay after the wedding. If the sadness was only due to a change of daily routine, then she would say " yeah sure, this way I will get to be in touch with all of them, I will keep visiting with all of them." The fact is she cannot bear to come back to a Shivaay who is someone else's husband.

3) She would not ask Shivaay to re-think his decision just so she could spend more time with the family. She genuinely wanted him to cancel the wedding altogether.

After dropping so many hints at the initial stages of their love, it disappoints me to hear that they are NOT in love, I don't know what else it is. Not just attraction for sure, there are sentiments attached here. Not friendship, they never started their love with friendship, it was always a clash of thoughts and ideals. It has to be love, folks, it comes in all shapes and sizes and this is one flavor of it. 😊

Didn't mean for this post to be so long, but hope you enjoyed it even if you disagree, which is fine! Just don't take this as a bashing post, keep smiling and enjoy good health! Would like to know your thoughts!




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Posted: 9 years ago
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This post is everything that I wanted to say from last 2 days...but was feeling too lazy to pen it all down!


And I also did not agree with SC's explanation of "they are not in love"...they are in love but the realization is missing is what the right explanation is!!

And what Anika is feeling and the way she is behaving around him is so justified, coz like Mallika said...Anika knows the real Shivay...the man behind that mask of Oberois...Shivay Singh Oberoi! She knows there's so much more to him behind that anger, those harsh words...!!
Anika is justified and so is Shivay, they both have their reasons to behave the way they are doing and also for what they are feeling! <3

And Anika has no way given up on her self respect...she didn't cry infront of hi, didn't question him...she is just expressing her feelings in a very mature way...and still doing his marriage preparations with so much dedication...This is her Self respect only that's making her arrange his wedding in the best way she can despite having so many emotions n feelings overflowing inside her heart!

Thanks for this wonderful post...so well explained and I agree with each n everything!! :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Every where i also see that guy should fall in love first as if that is something demeaning if the girl falls in love. Not just in this forum. If the guy falls 1st then is it not demeaning for him then.😆 If shivaay has class issues so what? That only means he takes falling in love seriously thinking up to the "whether i would marry the girl, is she suitable for my family?" I don't find that wrong. I have a friend who broke up with her BF after a year of claiming to love him. She even fought with her family and made them agree. But later broke up because their lifestyle was different which was pointed to her earlier. And Both were similar background only.


I also not believe the not in love yet thing. But i guess may be Anika is yet realise it and recognize it as love. She is in very beginning stage. Even Shivaay may be considering this as some sort of attachment and attraction which he should fight off.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Crazy4Mayur

This post is everything that I wanted to say from last 2 days...but was feeling too lazy to pen it all down!


And I also did not agree with SC's explanation of "they are not in love"...they are in love but the realization is missing is what the right explanation is!!

And what Anika is feeling and the way she is behaving around him is so justified, coz like Mallika said...Anika knows the real Shivay...the man behind that mask of Oberois...Shivay Singh Oberoi! She knows there's so much more to him behind that anger, those harsh words...!!
Anika is justified and so is Shivay, they both have their reasons to behave the way they are doing and also for what they are feeling! <3

Thanks for this wonderful post...so well explained and I agree with each n everything!! :)


Thank you for reading and appreciating. Exactly, she knows that there is potential in him to be an even better person. Isn't that what love is about ? Being able to see through a person's imperfections is love. Yes, he is mean and disrespectful, but he is only trying to justify his fake hatred towards her because growing up he never imagined that someone like her would become an essential part of his life and happiness. Their song " tu hai mere jeene ki wajah" says it all, he never thought he would depend on her for his peace.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Amazing post I must say 👏
I am a firm believer of self respect and loving man going hand in hand 😳
Now, please correct me if I am wrong but I think what majority of us were talking about in terms of Anika"s self respect was how can she hear all that trash that Shivaay was throwing at her calling her different names and still act so normal. But here the way the scene was shown, it is not clear at all that she even heard all of that...And with regards to what Surbhi said that Anika is not in love yet is just to keep audience hooked up with the show...this is Gul"s show and none of her shows have been so clear cut regarding feelings of male or female lead 😆 She knows that audience will keep watching waiting for confession to happen and until then it is a mystery 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: LTLFan

Every where i also see that guy should fall in love first as if that is something demeaning if the girl falls in love. Not just in this forum. If the guy falls 1st then is it not demeaning for him then.😆 If shivaay has class issues so what? That only means he takes falling in love seriously thinking up to the "whether i would marry the girl, is she suitable for my family?" I don't find that wrong. I have a friend who broke up with her BF after a year of claiming to love him. She even fought with her family and made them agree. But later broke up because their lifestyle was different which was pointed to her earlier. And Both were similar background only.


I also not believe the not in love yet thing. But i guess may be Anika is yet realise it and recognize it as love. She is in very beginning stage. Even Shivaay may be considering this as some sort of attachment and attraction which he should fight off.



Thank you so much for making the point in red, people need to understand this.
As long as both people in a relationship have their own, independent and unique journey of falling in love with each other, I don't care who falls in love first. You only lose self-respect when you MAKE someone fall in love with you by becoming desperate, we don't see that happening here. Both of them kind of had their own moments and reasons for loving each other! They didn't force each other in desperation. And Agreed on the background part, as viewers, we should also keep practical life in mind. In real life, it is normal for people to want to marry into a similar social background because that way there are usually less adjustments to make. So, I don't know why people are so surprised by Shivaay's preferences. Yes, he has a rude way of stating it, but thats only because hes trying to convince himself to snap out of love.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I agree with you and I do believe she has fallen for him even the episode when she is in prison and she feels his presence or when he gets hurt. 😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I kind of both agree and disagree with you, please allow me to elaborate.
Wanting to pursue what you feel is right is sure a sign of self respect. But the fiery Anika we witnessed in the beginning would not have simply stared at Shivaay after he insulted her with his class slander once again. I agree with Om when he said "Shivaay a aaj thune saari hadhe paar kardhi " . Anika has time and again proved that she is self sufficient, then why continue to insult her and why does she remain mute?
Anika loving Shivaay does not make her weak but her silence in the face of insult (calling someone sadak ka kooda classifies as insult in my dictionary no matter how filthy rich you are) does.
Love him but do not let him belittle you.
Shivaay can choose and wish fora life partner from his own class but he has no right to insult another human being to justify his choice.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: UmIbrahim

I kind of both agree and disagree with you, please allow me to elaborate.

Wanting to pursue what you feel is right is sure a sign of self respect. But the fiery Anika we witnessed in the beginning would not have simply stared at Shivaay after he insulted her with his class slander once again. I agree with Om when he said "Shivaay a aaj thune saari hadhe paar kardhi " . Anika has time and again proved that she is self sufficient, then why continue to insult her and why does she remain mute?
Anika loving Shivaay does not make her weak but her silence in the face of insult (calling someone sadak ka kooda classifies as insult in my dictionary no matter how filthy rich you are) does.
Love him but do not let him belittle you.
Shivaay can choose and wish fora life partner from his own class but he has no right to insult another human being to justify his choice.


This time she hasn't heard him call her all those names... So she isnt weak at all... If she had heard those words for her she wud hv been fiery again.. Coz self respect is the only thing she owns...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thank u for this post... TM I agree with every word u wrote...
Most ppl when they even make frnds tend to make frnds with ppl who r somewhat in their social strata... It's not often that a super rich person befriends a lower middle class person even in their college life... So Shivaay isn't wrong or different in his thinking... Similar upbringing always makes it easier for adjustments...

As for Anika... She is right in her own senses... N yeah both of them hv fallen in love... But Shivaay realises it as OMRu keep pointing it out n so did malika... Anika has never experienced live of a family, let alone a guy... So she doesn't realize that her feelings of attachment r nothing but budding love for Shivaay.. Yes she is in love but is very far from realization... While Shivaay even realises that he is in love but doesn't accept coz of his ideas of a partner... That is a khandani, educated ladki... Similar financial background etc...

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