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Posted: 7 years ago
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After looking at the updates and the reactions, I wonder if this was done on purpose...we know that the main point of the show was about triple talaq and Zara's condition of divorcing through proper legal channels.
What if the show is trying to show us what really happens when 2 people with vastly differing opinions end up together? When they went on their honeymoon, Zara was in trouble and Kabeer got beaten up badly trying to save her. She fell in love with him...with a hero. But now that honeymoon period is over, as Kabeer told Reema before - marriage is about maintaining a good relationship with one another every day...

Kabeer has mentioned to Zara several times that their ideologies are quite incompatible. We can see that Zara tries her best to convert him to her way of thinking while Kabeer doesn't even want to try to look at her point of view. Physical assault aside, I think it's quite clear the efforts are very one-sided. Plus Zara has such a huge obstacle in her way that doesn't seem to clear. I think at one point in time, the situation will overwhelm her until she gives up...and then we reach the part of the show that we began with.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.

Oh i should have posted my thoughts here and not made a seperaye topic .. anyways ..

I whole heartredly agree with abuse is abuse no matter what, but i just need to know your opinion abt zara's behaviour bcz somewhere even after blaming Kabeer i cant help but understand what he went thru .. i am not blinded by his rage bcz i can somewhere see what went wrong ..judt vcz zara is HELPING him doesnt give her the levrage of all of us? She is interfering when there is no need .. or one can do anything he/she wants unless he/she is not physically abusive? Mtlb waise kuch bhi kar lo?


Hey sorry for the extreme late reply. I have a lill baby so squeezing in time for myself is quite a challenge😆

Anyways, onto the bold part! Well my take is as follows:

- It depends!!

On the view at which I am looking at Zara. If I am looking at Zara from Kabir's POV, then YES, she is as you call it 'interfering'. Kabir as we know is rigid in his beliefs/asool and all that jazz. HE has been brought up in an environment where the husband takes the call and wives follows (although I don't see this in Kashaan and Zeenat's case so yet another loophole I suppose). But ya, coming back to Kabir, this is what forms his character - his beliefs, his asool, his way of thinking and looking at things. So this is his project and per his 'asool', taking help from wife is a complete NO as that hurts his so called 'male-ness', then her doing anything with regards to the project is 'interference' - TO HIM that is.

Now if I am looking at Zara from a third man's eye, then no, she is only doing what is in HER character - that is - going out of her way to do what she can for the people she loves and cares for the most - her parents and now her husband, Kabir! Remember, this is the same Zara who said yes for the marriage she was completely against, for who? For her parents, why? Coz they mattered to her. Similarly, Kabir matters to her. His dreams matters to her. So she will do anything and everything under the sun to ensure it gets done. And let's not forget, this is the first time Kabir has opened up to her in terms of his aspirations, dreams and future plans. Any newly wed wife will do what Zara is trying to do for her husband - to pitch in from her end whatever she can!

Now my issue is not really what Zara is trying to do or what Kabir's thots are. My issue is how he handled this entire ordeal. He opens up to Zara and tells her about the Meher chq and how he felt about it. He didn't let Zara speak coz OK, they are interrupted, but he did say the will finish talking later. So on what basis did he just declare to his dad right after that he will be returning the chq. Did he get approval of Zara? Its her gifted money afterall right? She is entitled to do whatsoever she wishes with it - so if she planned to gift it to Kabir as a 'surprise' (and we know from epi 1 how she loves giving surprises), I don't see her doing anything wrong. But no, Kabir puts her on the spot. What is she suppose to do now that she had deposited that chq? She did what even I would have done - written a chq back to the dad. Now how did Kabir react to this? He immediately blamed her and blasted her without hearing her out. Had he completed his talk with her regarding the chq? Had he voiced his opinion before this incident that he did not want her interference? NO. So what gave him the right to talk to his newly wed wife in such rude and harsh manner? Still Ok fine, he blew up, they argued and slept over it. Next morning he leaves without informing her about a potential investor who would be turning up as a guest and who 'expects' a certain behavior. She finds it out from her mother-in-law, who also is not quite clear as to what she meant when she said the guest will be very 'mazhabi'. No one specifically told her about hiding faces and all. She is new to the family still. Atleast Kabir being her husband should have informed Zara knowing very well how she is. What happens post in the living room was quite 'Zara-like'. We know she is outspoken when it comes to women and their rights and that guy basically tickled her itching nerve, outcome was an understandably raging Kabir. Still all this is fine till he manhandles her! And I am sorry, that is exactly where I will not tolerate no matter who is at fault.

You DO NOT get physical under any circumstances, no matter how right you are and wrong the other person is. PERIOD. There is no justification for physical violence at all and thats that!

So while the Kabir's anger is justified, his way to deal with it is not. I'd also like to add, any action done that causes harm can never be correct. What Zara was doing was not going to cause any harm other than Kabir's own personal ego but what Kabir did (manhandle) is causing harm.

Sorry for the long reply but I hope I was able to answer your question. Feel free to agree or disagree!😊
Edited by sajni786 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: vita93

After looking at the updates and the reactions, I wonder if this was done on purpose...we know that the main point of the show was about triple talaq and Zara's condition of divorcing through proper legal channels.

What if the show is trying to show us what really happens when 2 people with vastly differing opinions end up together? When they went on their honeymoon, Zara was in trouble and Kabeer got beaten up badly trying to save her. She fell in love with him...with a hero. But now that honeymoon period is over, as Kabeer told Reema before - marriage is about maintaining a good relationship with one another every day...

Kabeer has mentioned to Zara several times that their ideologies are quite incompatible. We can see that Zara tries her best to convert him to her way of thinking while Kabeer doesn't even want to try to look at her point of view. Physical assault aside, I think it's quite clear the efforts are very one-sided. Plus Zara has such a huge obstacle in her way that doesn't seem to clear. I think at one point in time, the situation will overwhelm her until she gives up...and then we reach the part of the show that we began with.


@bold

You could be very well right and maybe all this is leading to triple talak situation but tbh, if that is where all this is headed, I would rather like to see Zara to be the initiator of the divorce and not Kabir. I want her to wake up from her "Kabir-land" slumber and walk out of this marriage.

Its quite clear both are quite incompatible in their way of thinking and let's face it, you cannot live with rosy romance all ur life and ideologies are daily and practical part of life and if the basics are not aligned, there is no point continuing plus the guy gets physically violent if he peaks his anger. That's a biggest sign for any marriage to end!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sajni786


You could be very well right and maybe all this is leading to triple talak situation but tbh, if that is where all this is headed, I would rather like to see Zara to be the initiator of the divorce and not Kabir. I want her to wake up from her "Kabir-land" slumber and walk out of this marriage.


WORD WORD WORD! I have the exact same wish! SHE'S in a dreamland, HER beliefs/rosy look will shatter, SHE will realize why she never wanted to marry a man like him in the first place, therefore SHE SHOULD DIVORCE HIM!


Istg if after all this humiliation and cold/distance nature of Kabeer's towards Zara, I have to watch HIM divorce HER, I will NEVER be able to stomach them getting back together ever again!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Kabir-dreamland...that is for sure. Zara needs to take out her blinkers. Both are so different but so passionate about their individual way of thinking...
A marriage is a compromise. If 1 side is doing it even with zeal, there will come a time, when the zeal will stale and way out needs to be taken..

In India, if a divorce is initiated by the female, I do think the stigma will stay with the female. She would need to face lots of issue.

So, if this is about the 3 talaq, I would think, Zara might have to pressurize Kabir to utter the words and walk out with her head high...

Then, what's the story... Is this a finite story...then, the talaq would be the end of the story, right??
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: JazzyM

Kabir-dreamland...that is for sure. Zara needs to take out her blinkers. Both are so different but so passionate about their individual way of thinking...

A marriage is a compromise. If 1 side is doing it even with zeal, there will come a time, when the zeal will stale and way out needs to be taken..

In India, if a divorce is initiated by the female, I do think the stigma will stay with the female. She would need to face lots of issue.

So, if this is about the 3 talaq, I would think, Zara might have to pressurize Kabir to utter the words and walk out with her head high...

Then, what's the story... Is this a finite story...then, the talaq would be the end of the story, right??


sorry but I think you lost me? Are you saying that end game of the show is triple talak between ZaBir and even though Zara would want talak, she would ask Kabir to say the words???
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sajni786


sorry but I think you lost me? Are you saying that end game of the show is triple talak between ZaBir and even though Zara would want talak, she would ask Kabir to say the words???


That's what I wondering... If with the triple talaq, there will not be any ZaBir, right... It will be a story of Zara and Kabir, then how would it be ISA..

Unless you are saying that after the triple talaq, somehow their perceptions changes, there is compromise and they get back togehter again...isn't there something about the girl getting married to someone else before she can re-marry her ealier shohar in the Syariah requirements? Will Kabir's ego allow his wife to be married to someone else...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sajni786

Yes and this comes from a woman who has been married for 17yrs now.


I agree a marriage is a constant "Work in Progress" and both parties involved should be equally contributing into this "work".

I have been reading various topics on this forum on how Zara should give Kabir time and space so that he will come around, that Zara should teach him or will teach him etc etc. I was basically in no man's land till today's epi happened and the last frame is where I draw the line!

I ask WHY? Why should Zara even bother to work on this project "Sudharo Kabir". Just coz she is married to him? He is nothing but a walkie talkie 'Disaster Recovery Management' and just coz Zara is married to him does not give her an automatic license to begin working on his recovery. Does anyone realize how emotionally and mentally draining it can get to deal with a person like Kabir for a lifetime?? I mean we are not talking about just a guy who has slight differences in viewpoint. They are rigid, conservative and add to that he apparently does not believe in a healthy argument. He actually is getting physical and no woman should tolerate this behavior even for once neither should be thinking about giving him chances.

I am sorry, but if in a marriage, you are already dealing with emotional and mental torture (which Zara already is - through Ruksaar and Kabir both) and you add physical torture to that, I absolutely do not think its worth even a breath coz trust me when I say this, you end up losing yourself in trying to not only 'sudharo' your partner but make this marriage work!

Getting physical in an argument/disagreement is simply a NO!
I rest my case!!


Hi ,

This is Saba. I agree to the anger but this is what i think is happening.

If this happened before HM track, I think Zara wouldnt have taken a second to take the decision of leaving Kabir.The purpose of HM track was to make Zara fall in love with kabir and because of that reason, she wants to give a chance to kabir, to try to sudharo him as you say. I completely agree on the physical abuse thing which was wrong 100years back, wrong now and will remain wrong. As far as Zara is concerned regarding physical abuse the primary reason she isnt responding is first she is madly in love with this , secondly she knows that Kabir is real angry which she was responsible for and she also knows that otherwise he will never raise voice on her and thirdly she inherently knows that deep down he is really a nice guy (the project he wants to do is really genuine attempt to help others).

Having said that we all know Kabir is wrong - no justification on that , even adnan said so.He definitely needs to change .. a lot and I think ISA is all about that.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Great post and discussions! I have been asking this myself, what is with Kabeer? He always had rigid ideas but he wasn't...this...regressive, insensitive, manhandling, hateful guy that he has become recently! Lately it feels like that his only emotions are anger and condescension! I liked Kabeer bcs I understood him even when I disagreed with him, but this new Kabeer...he is a like a shoddily done, angry Gul Khan prototype! Except it feels even worse bcs Gul heroes are beyond unrealistic so they just make me laugh! But Kabeer's constant misogyny is so insidious, pervasive and real! His anger at Zaara scares me these days! Is this charming?! To watch his continuous tirade of misogyny launched against Zaara?! Not only that, he is also being physically violent to her now! Zaara deserves so much better, she must get out of this toxic marriage! She needs to open her eyes and realize that this is not love! That man doesn't love her, that man regrets nothing, that man doesn't care for her! Women are not plot devices to resolve problematic men and their flawed mentalities! This new version of Kabeer is unworthy of being a hero! There, I said it!
Edited by Fairy_KimBokJoo - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@sajni786
Very well written post! 👏
Much needed post!

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