Dharmakshetra on Epic channel #4/ DT Nt pg 3 - Page 7

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Posted: 10 years ago
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No Anu if adhiratha disowned karna after pandu's death he would go back to surya but still not to pandu as kunti doesn't have rights to adopt him in stead of pandu. He would be called surya's son but not a pandava
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Anyways the gods get against him only after he chooses the wrong side I.e. duryodhan and not before. Cause he is the only guy in kaurava camp anti -pandavas by thoughts and deeds. Others supported them by heart.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhas1066

Anyways the gods get against him only after he chooses the wrong side I.e. duryodhan and not before. Cause he is the only guy in kaurava camp anti -pandavas by thoughts and deeds. Others supported them by heart.


Was this before or after the incidents in DS? That the Gods got against him I mean.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhas1066

No Anu if adhiratha disowned karna after pandu's death he would go back to surya but still not to pandu as kunti doesn't have rights to adopt him in stead of pandu. He would be called surya's son but not a pandava



bhas where are all these rules available?


Anu.. I was asking about any post war citation that talks of social reformation...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi all I have been reading the discussions here and I must say you all are very well read So I thought of asking a doubt here.I know very little about the Mahabharata I have been told that the Kurukshetra war was fought to bring about a greater good to the society.But with my limited logic I cant imagine the ordinary people feeling in a better state of life after the war as they lost their family members for no fault of their own.I want to ask what was the greater good aimed by the war.And this is a genuine doubt I have meant no offence to the beliefs of any member.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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the war happened for the throne, the land and to uphold dharma, the pandavas achived everything after the war but the prices for the war was the lives of the whole 18 akshauini soldires and lives of the reletives of both kauravas and pandsvas.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I'd try to explain with my limited knowledge, that, the Kings, who ruled the ordinary men, had become the followers of adharma, and rulers generally affected the thought processes of the ordinary men...So, Kurukshetra actually was aimed at destroying those adharmi Kings, so as to establish the followers of dharma of the throne who could show the people the correct way of living life. But as the saying goes, you have to give something to get something. You see, the first generation fights to change, the second generation changes and the third generation realizes and attempts to better the change.
And if you see carefully, the generation which fought the war, gave up their lives and happiness, but the following generations did get the benefits of the war...by the teachings of the Epic, they were able to distinguish between good and evil.
For example, (I'm going out of context, though) Seeta, in Ramayan, raises the first step, and refuses to live in a society where women are shoved into fire for no fault of theirs and leaves Raam, and Draupadi, standing on the very footprint of Seeta shows what may happen if you cross your limits. Then, slowly the position of women goes up and down, ill laadies like Mahadevi Akka, Meera and other women saints appear, and yes, we shouldn't forget Razia Sultan...then again women drop into darkness only to evolve during freedom struggle, and then finally comes independence for women. But see, even today, Nirbhaya happens, and we are at Seeta (because we do protest, but it falls in deaf ears) but very soon Draupadi is to follow.
I guess I have deviated from the main topic, but the reason for Kurukshetra, going by the Puranas, was simply to put a firm end to Dwapar yuga and its outdated laws and customs.
I hope I'm not terribly wrong...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thankyou Radhikerani for the beautiful reply 😃
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Agree with Proteeti. The war happened for Dharma sansthaapan, as Krishna said, His aims were, 'paritraanaya saadhunaam', 'vinaashaaya cha dushkritaam' and 'Dharma sansthaapanarthaaya'. He fulfilled all aims. You know, He did not like unnecessary wars, He fled from Mathura to avoid war. But He had to allow a Dharma yuddha, because it will cause a greater good to mankind. He wished a bad ruler like Jarasandha to be destroyed, and He again wished a good ruler like Yudhishthir to be placed on throne of Aaryavarta. When evil crosses all the limits and even grabs that Dharma rajya, then God has to allow a war to change the situation. Because you simply cannot restore that stolen Dharma kingdom only through love and forgiveness (which was tried but failed). Then comes the war. You will see that Krishna did not give permission of war unless all other ways became closed. Even after the war camp was ready, Yudhishthir asked Krishna for another way. Krishna had to reply that there is NO other way so now war cannot be avoided. This is Dharma yuddha, because Dharma side had tried their best to stop the war but evil side did not accept their forgiveness. Shri Ram too, wanted to forgive Ravan but Ravan did not listen. Thus Shri Ram's war became Dharma yuddha. Same with Kurukshetra war. Forgiveness too has its limit. At the end of unlimited forgiveness, there stands Danda, the punishment. Pandavas did not raise their weapons unless that Danda becomes their Dharma.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Did Draupadi mention Yudhi's thirst for throne after UP's death? Sorry I could not find such thing here:

From KMG: Sauptika Parva:

Beholding her prostrate on the earth, the wrathful Vrikodara, of prowess incapable of being baffled, advancing hastily, raised her up and clasped her with his arms. The beautiful lady, comforted by Bhimasena, began to weep, and addressing the eldest son of Pandu with his brothers, said, "By good luck, O monarch, having obtained the whole earth, thou shalt enjoy her after the slaughter of thy brave sons in the observance of kshatriya duties. By good luck, O son of Pritha, thou art happy at the thought of having obtained the whole earth. By good luck, thy thoughts do not dwell on Subhadra's son whose tread resembled that of an infuriated elephant. By good luck, thou dost not, like myself while residing at Upaplavya, recollect thy heroic sons slaughtered in the observance of kshatriya duties. O son of Pritha, hearing of the slaughter of those sleeping heroes by Drona's son of sinful deeds, grief burns me as if I were in the midst of a fire. If Drona's son be not made to reap the fruit of that sinful deed of his, if, putting forth your prowess in battle, thou dost not take the life of that wretch of sinful deeds, along with the lives of all his followers, then listen to me, ye Pandavas, I shall sit here in praya!"

[She knew her husband had no greed. Neither was he happy after his sons' death. Then why such words? For me it can be explained Spiritually, as I have posted earlier.]

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