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TheWatcher

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Posted: 10 years ago

#91

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Hi watcher. Happy seeing you after long time.⭐️

No. I am never sarcastic. Yudhi had no greed, but just a small uncontrollable desire for another person's property. That is very natural...but the rest was not...😉

That's a funny way to describe greed. Didn't Duryodhana have the same "Small uncontrollable desire for another person's property" when he saw Yudisthira's Indraprashta?.

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Brahmaputra

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Posted: 10 years ago

#92

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

That's a funny way to describe greed. Didn't Duryodhana have the same "Small uncontrollable desire for another person's property" when he saw Yudisthira's Indraprashta?.

Of course, he had.⭐️ Who said he did not have? But not to the level of staking Bhanumati...😆

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TheWatcher

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Posted: 10 years ago

#93

One of the funny things I recently found out that Yudisthira sometimes took stupid.unnecessary vows like his Jyesth-est.

He knew that Duryodhana and Shakuni were cheaters.

"..Yudhishthira said,--'Besides the sons of Dhritarashtra what other dishonest gamblers are there ready for play? Tell us, O Vidura, who they are and with whom we shall have to play, staking hundreds upon hundreds of our possessions.'

"Yudhishthira said,--'It would seem then that some of the most desperate and terrible gamblers always depending upon deceit are there. This whole universe, however, is at the will of its Maker, under the control of fate. It is not free. O learned one, I do not desire, at the command of king Dhritarashtra to engage myself in gambling. The father always wisheth to benefit his son. Thou art our master, O Vidura. Tell me what is proper for us. Unwilling as I am to gamble, I will not do so, if the wicked Sakuni doth not summon me to it in the Sabha? If, however, he challengeth me, I will never refuse. For that, as settled, is my eternal vow."

I don't know what kind of stupidty this is, he knows the Kaurava's are cheaters and he is ready to play if they challenge him, I think Yudisthira was trying to hide his addiction to gambling here by taking an unnecessary vow.

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Brahmaputra

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Posted: 10 years ago

#94

Watcher, thanks for the citation.

I smell a game of yudhi inside the game planned by dury. After all yudhi was Kunti's son. And if we connect yudhi asking Draupadi to come weeping to the sabha( i have read there is suh a line in mb, not sure), some spelling mistakes I do see. He just wanted to make us think he was a fool, IMHO. No offense to anyone.

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Arijit

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Posted: 10 years ago

#95

it's posible, may be as shown in dharmakshetra he wanted to unite his brothers to the bondages of pain and revenge.

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Maverick_me

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Posted: 10 years ago

#96

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra
There is no reference to show that yudhi got a moment to think before staking his wife, or he did it by himself. When it is clear what he wanted, nothing else matters.

About the 'description', being a guy, I cannot agree with what he did. Everything do not go with protocols. Draupadi was his wife, not a square shaped stake for him to throw away. She was no 'object' which he owned. She was not his slave to be displayed in public & make her feel insulted to the last beat of her soul. So, considering humanitarian grounds, Yudhi describing Draupadi is cannot be forgiven under any circumstances.

More importantly, there are 7 promises a man gives a woman (and vice versa) at the time of marriage. The vedic hymns said during marriages are not spells, but promises. Those were to be followed strictly under any circumstances because both man & woman are making promises as agnisakshi, agni deva as the witness of their promise.. I dont think playing a dice game was an exception to those such promises. So he had no right to stake Draupadi or display her like an object, or give her detailed physical description, under any circumstances, & under any protocols.

The rest happened only because yudhi staked his wife. Had there been no staking of her, there would have been no perspirations, laughters, claps and whatever blah blah blah.

Bold: Really? Did YOU think before writing this ?😉

If Yudi erred , if he staked Draupadi, which certainly was wrong, does that give anybody else a right to abuse Drau? Two wrongs make a right? Certainly not?!!

Then by the logic which you just endorsed, if a skimpily dressed woman is raped, its her mistake, no?

It was in news last year that a Taxi driver raped a drunk woman who hired his car, she deserves to be raped because she was drunk?😲 ; in both cases one woman has wee bit of clothes on her and the other is under intoxication and what rest happened was because they were so blah blah blah blah !!

What would have happened if , after winning, Dury & co would not insult Drau and just said get lost to all pandavas, like they did during second dice game, who could hold them responsible for winning the dice game, even if it were by foul means?

if Yudi thought Drau as a mere object , he would have staked her first , even before his brothers and himself because going by 'object' logic she indeed was precious to them, no?

And what Karna and Kauravas did, they too thought it was a protocol to humiliate the one who had become a slave, they all followed protocols !

Yudi didn't consider humanitarian grounds- Yes and Karna, Kauravas et all followed it very diligently..

Karna even advises his bestie to showoff his wealth to Pandavas, more so to Krishnaa , so that she curses her fate looking Kuru wives in splendid attire - pre ghosha yatra again he too followed protocol of pleasing his bestie!

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AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#97

That's false equivalence and clearly a distraction

Panchali was dressed comfortably in her own quarters. She wasn't asking to be staked or assaulted. Neither is the skimpily dressed woman in the taxi. But the modern woman in her skimpy attire was not put there in the taxi by her husband as stake AFTER a description of her charms to said driver

In Panchali's case, her own hubby staked her. Because Ks did wrong, does not make what Y did correct. You are right, two wrongs do not make a right. What DDSK did cannot be used to justify Y.

The events started because of Y's staking

Whether he staked her first or last is immaterial. That he did stake her is fact. He may have considered Panchali to be his most valuable property, so he staked her last. But it still does not make him right or his decision moral.

They were ALL wrong, YBANS more so, because they actually had a duty to protect her. Except for Panchali, no one was on the side of real morality in that DS

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Radhika

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Posted: 10 years ago

#98

Like someone mentioned previously, Yudhi's oath of "not refusing to play dice" or his stance of "cannot go against Dhrit" is just a coverup for his gambling habit.

If Panchali was so valuable to him, he should have just stopped, when he saw how his brothers were treated after he lost them. How could he even think that the cousins who always bore him and his bros ill will and went to the extent of trying to burn them, would actually leave Panchali alone.

Every single person in that Sabha were wrong except Panchali. But I would put Yudhi on the top of the list.

His assumption that Bhishma, Dhrit would put a stop to the mess just shows his incapability in judging the situation. And when the situation got out of control, he even expected Panchali to come out in a single robe. True Dhramaraj he is.

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LiveYourDream

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Posted: 10 years ago

#99

For me all these citations are doing is proving without a doubt that every single person in that DS was an adharmi!

Everyone thought they were upholding dharma by keeping quiet when Panchali was dragged into the court but by doing so they committed the greatest sin to mankind... That of not protecting the weak and innocent. It does not matter what lame and useless explanations each one came up with they were wrong. Of course some could be held more accountable than the others but that is a moot point!

The only person who upheld her dharma was Panchali.

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Bhaskari

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Posted: 10 years ago

#100

When Yudhisthara went to forest at start of the vana parva. The entire populace of kurujangala the nation showed up and pleaded with their father and mother to not go. Vasa uses the term father and mother in context of king Yudhisthara and queen draupadi. When Yudhisthara sends two messages one via sanjaya and second via Krishna, he emphasized on two items and he gave more importance to the second group of items. In both messages, first demand was kingdom (in Krishna message he allowed a negotiating tactic of 5 places) but Yudhishtahra insisted on second demand in both messages: pension and charity due to teachers, orphans, poorest of poor, those who are unable to support themselves, handicapped, dwarves and those who are different. Same ones plus urdhavretas who were looked after by draupadi on daily basis. The "real" children of the Janaka, the King who is father. They were the ones they fought the war for. He repeated the message from Udyoga parva, the success of independence is meant by how you treat the lowest of low the ones who cannot help themselves the handicapped and the orphans.

No one was happy under duryodhana rule. It is clearly stated in Udyoga that Dhritrashtra's officers were corrupt stealing jeevika vriti of even Brahmins let alone orphans and others. It is clearly stated that because of huge number of dacoits the Praja was trasta. It is very clearly stated that because of law order no foreigner or pilgrim dared stay the night in kuru country for fear of bring robbed or killed or their children stolen. It is very clearly stated even by Dhritrashtra during vana that his sons are always immersed in shameful activities and vyabhichara.

Duryodhan had unfortunately not seen the throne as a responsibility. To him, it was about self definition. It was about himself. notice that when he dies all his words are about his life , his valour, his satisfaction but not a word for his praja or for that matter for any one else!!

and above all else to know the rule in dhrit's time do read the chapter of "kanika neeti" and also the reply of andavas to it during yudi-bheeshma convo.

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