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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

^^^ IN Ramanand Sagar's SK, I definitely preferred YBA to those of either BRC or ⭐️B. But then again, YMMV. NSD were however abysmal.

But I don't agree that it was dragged: rather, the problem was the inaccuracies that crept into the narration. Like Karna did not use the Vaishnava astra against Arjun: Bhagadatta did. Similarly, Kunti & Krishna didn't approach Karna during the war: they approached him before the war started. Also, a lot of battles were skipped, like the battles b/w days 2-10, and then again, 11-12. Plus they had Shakuni killed before Shalya, when in fact, he was the last to die. However, they were I think the only serial that showed Ashwatthama's real power completely - like when he released the Narayan astra, his encounter w/ Krishna (shown in flashback) where he asks Krishna for his discus, and the episode of Arjun's chariot exploding. Or Arjun's stupid confrontation w/ Yudisthir b4 he killed Karna

But I do prefer RS-SK to BRC b'cos some major things were shown accurately - like Kunti revealing to her sons Karna's secret after the war. BRC was too heavy on stupid bhashans from just about everybody - from Bheeshma down to the miners who dug the Varnavarta tunnel.


Who's YMMV and NSD?

Some tracks in the MB track were dragged, like Kunti's convo with Karna, which spanned nearly 3-4 long episodes, and also the Bhishma Vadh track, which like Starbharat focused too heavily on emotions and less on the battle itself, but I did like how they showed some battles which BRC skipped over. I guess between themselves, RSK and BRC each had their share of positive and negative points, but for me the soul of RSK was during the Gokul/Mathura phase, and a portion of the Dwaraka phase also. I liked the stories of Rukmini, Satyabhama and Jambavathi, but the political stuff was again dragged and distorted.

I actually really liked Yudhisthir and Bhima from Starbharat. Yudhisthir from BRC and RSK were expressionless. Bhima from BRC was good too, but I have a soft corner for our laddoo Bhima from Starbharat, lol. I would have liked Shaheer as Arjun if they did not portray him so much as a crybaby, so BRC's Arjun wins for me mainly for their portrayal. Starbharat's Nakul and Sahadev were liked mainly because they actually had a role in the show unlike the older ones, lol. The older serials tended to glaze over characters like Nakul, Sahadev and Shatrughan from Ramayan, so it's nice when the new serials give them importance.

BRC did have one too many lectures, especially during the war scenes, but they weren't all bad. Even RSK's Mahabharat had too much dialogue from characters like Krishna or Bhishma when all we wanted to see was some action. Starbharat on the other hand was just too damn emotional with many of the valiant characters being portrayed like crybabies, and I don't even want to start with how they butchered Arjun and Karna near the end with the "ek ma ki santaane" track. 🤬

I'm really not 100% satisfied with any Mahabharat-based show. There's positives and negatives from each one, that's all.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Reason I came to this page - who originally wrote the Vedas? The one that Vishnu in his Matsya avatar came to retrieve from Hayagriva?


Brahma wrote the Vedas as far as I know.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Reason I came to this page - who originally wrote the Vedas? The one that Vishnu in his Matsya avatar came to retrieve from Hayagriva?

As far as I know, no one. From what I have read, it was sort of like Brahma was muttering the Vedas in his sleep 😆, and Hayagriva absorbed those sound vibrations and entrapped them inside him. Don't as the details.

If by written you mean composed - Brahma.
If by written you mean actually literally writing, then the Vedas were written only in the Kaliyuga (then again, like Janaki pointed out above, don't ask the Manvantara.)😆

Oh and when Hagagriva captured the Vedas they were not Vedas, it was Veda.
And there were two Matsya Avataras, one to kill Hayagriva, one to save Satyavrata.
Edited by Surya_krsnbhakt - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Reason I came to this page - who originally wrote the Vedas? The one that Vishnu in his Matsya avatar came to retrieve from Hayagriva?



Vedas form the fourth entity - apart from the trio of Brahma - Vishnu- Shiva - whose existence dates back to the beginning of Time itself.

Vedas are considered apaureshya - not written by a person.

Vedaha apaurusheyaha asmaryamana karthrukarthvat - The Vedas are apaurusheya because the author / creator has not been retained in memory.

They came into the material world - the prapancha- through the mouths of Brahma. They manifested as sounds / vibrations - shabda brahman / nada brahman - in the cosmos.

What the enlightened rishis did was to capture these sounds / vibrations and encase them in syllables that could be reproduced by the human voice.

Incidentally - after the Mahapralaya- which will dissolve all Creation, it is believed only the Vedas - apart from Brahma - Vishnu - Mahesh which will survive unscathed.

Of course there are stray quotations in Vishnu centric puranas which hail Narayana as the author of Vedas - yo brahmANam vidadhAti poorvam yovai vedAnsca prahiNoti...
Edited by varaali - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: varaali


Of course there are stray quotations in Vishnu centric puranas which hail Narayana as the author of Vedas - yo brahmANam vidadhAti poorvam yovai vedAnsca prahiNoti...


Isn't this quote from Shvetasvatara Upanishad?
Which doesn't refer to Narayana at all? According to this link anyways:

But yeah, so Brahma didn't compose the Vedas. Sorry Vrish.😊


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


Who's YMMV and NSD?

Some tracks in the MB track were dragged, like Kunti's convo with Karna, which spanned nearly 3-4 long episodes, and also the Bhishma Vadh track, which like Starbharat focused too heavily on emotions and less on the battle itself, but I did like how they showed some battles which BRC skipped over. I guess between themselves, RSK and BRC each had their share of positive and negative points, but for me the soul of RSK was during the Gokul/Mathura phase, and a portion of the Dwaraka phase also. I liked the stories of Rukmini, Satyabhama and Jambavathi, but the political stuff was again dragged and distorted.

I actually really liked Yudhisthir and Bhima from Starbharat. Yudhisthir from BRC and RSK were expressionless. Bhima from BRC was good too, but I have a soft corner for our laddoo Bhima from Starbharat, lol. I would have liked Shaheer as Arjun if they did not portray him so much as a crybaby, so BRC's Arjun wins for me mainly for their portrayal. Starbharat's Nakul and Sahadev were liked mainly because they actually had a role in the show unlike the older ones, lol. The older serials tended to glaze over characters like Nakul, Sahadev and Shatrughan from Ramayan, so it's nice when the new serials give them importance.

BRC did have one too many lectures, especially during the war scenes, but they weren't all bad. Even RSK's Mahabharat had too much dialogue from characters like Krishna or Bhishma when all we wanted to see was some action. Starbharat on the other hand was just too damn emotional with many of the valiant characters being portrayed like crybabies, and I don't even want to start with how they butchered Arjun and Karna near the end with the "ek ma ki santaane" track. 🤬

I'm really not 100% satisfied with any Mahabharat-based show. There's positives and negatives from each one, that's all.



YMMV = Your milage may vary (or to each, his/her own)
NSD = Nakul, Sahadev & Draupadi

BRC projected their own world view on to the story - making it look like the partition of Hastinapur was like the partition of India. That's horsemanure. At the time, it was normal for kingdoms to get splintered into multiple ones if a king had more than one son. Within the Chandravansh itself, it happened w/ the sons of Pururava, Yayati and I think Kuru. So Dhritarashtra splitting Hastinapur b/w Yudhi & Dury was perfectly normal and no sin on his part: the problem came w/ Dury being envious of Indraprastha. (On this one, I hold it against Yudhi for inviting him there in the first place) In fact, as Ananya pointed out in the MB D&D thread, the Pandavas had other grandsons who inherited other kingdoms, and didn't live w/ Parikshit. So so much for that theory.

RS-SK was more or less fine on their MB track, except for the distortions as well as the casting. I liked YBA (Yudhi, Bhima & Arjun) though. They even showed a Ghatotkacha vs Alambusha battle (but Ghatotkacha was not bald here, as the original story says).

BRC's insufferable lectures were before the war and throughout the serial - most insufferable were Gandhari, Bheeshma & Vidura. Followed by Yudhisthir's - particularly his preference for Dhritarashtra & Gandhari, which is not there in the epic.

All 3 of you, thanks for answering the Vedas question. Varaali's sounds the closest to what's real, given that both Mahadev & Narayan supported it in their various missions.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I have a question about Ramayan. In either Valmiki or Tulsidas (or any other source), do Ram, Sita and Lakshman visit Valmiki's ashram in Ayodhya Kand after visiting Bharadwaj's ashram? I'm asking because in AS Ramayan, Bharadwaj tells them to settle in Chitrakoot, and immediately afterwards the trio visits Valmiki who also tells them to settle in Chitrakoot. I never knew that Ram, Sita and Lakshman had met Valmiki before Uttar Kand. Is this from any source?
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Posted: 11 years ago
They do meet Valmiki - see Ayodhyakand, Canto 56.

Seetha, Rama and Lakshmana reach the mountain of Chitrakuta, beholding and showing one another the grandeur of the woods there. They visit the hermitage of sage Valmiki. Lakshmana builds a leaf-hut upon instructions from Rama. All of them enter the hut, after performing purification ceremony.



However, it's @ Chitrakuta that they meet Valmiki - he doesn't tell them to go there, he meets them there itself
Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
While researching the others, one thing that surprised me - Rama asking Lakshaman to return to Ayodhya w/ Sumantra. What surprised me was the reason - Rama suspected that Kaikeyi might try to persecute Kaushalya & Sumitra, and so wanted Lakshman to protect them

"It seems that Kaikeyi came into our house, oh good brother, to bring about an end to Dasaratha, to send me into exile and to secure kingship for Bharata.""Blinded by pride of good fortune, Kaikeyi may even now persecute Kausalya and Sumitra because of their relationship with me.""Queen Sumitra is likely to suffer hardship because of her affinity to us. From this very place, you proceed to Ayodhya next morning, oh, Lakshmana!""I shall proceed to Dandaka forest alone with Sita, while you will be the protector for Kausalya, who has no defender.""Kaikeyi of base deeds may resort to unjustified means to be disliked. Give (for protection) my mother to Bharata, oh virtuous Prince!"

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

They do meet Valmiki - see Ayodhyakand, Canto 56.



However, it's @ Chitrakuta that they meet Valmiki - he doesn't tell them to go there, he meets them there itself


I see, thanks for clearing it up. I don't remember if RSR showed them meeting Valmiki, but I was watching this scene in ASR and wondered if Valmiki was a character in the epic before Uttar Kand.

So was Valmiki already a learned sage by that time? Or was he still a "sage in training" since it's often implied that he received his divine sight after the defeat of Ravan.

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