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Janaki

@RamKiSeeta

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Posted: 13 years ago

#211

Thanks for the info, Gunu, it really helped.😊

In general I've always known more about Ram avatar than Krishna avatar, so some aspects of Lord Krishna's life are still unknown to me.

I knew that Princess Kalindi was the fourth wife of Krishna, but I never knew she was Yamuna Devi. When I looked her up, the websites I came upon said she was the daughter of Surya Bhagwaan. So if Yamuna and Kalindi were the same, even Yamuna had to be Surya Bhagwaan's daughter, right?

Btw, Jambavathi was not the third wife of Krishna. She was the second, because after Krishna defeated Jambavanth, he gave Jambavathi to him in marriage and only after that did Satrajit give Satyabhama to Krishna. It is a common mis-interpretation that Jambavathi was the third wife just because she is less known than Satyabhama (like Sumitra and Kaikeyi). In fact, Jambavathi was the second. She may have been younger than Satyabhama in age, but she is the second in rank.

I am still confused about the story of Yamuna Devi...if she was associated with Krishna from his Gokul days, why was she not married to him earlier? Why did she wait to become his fourth wife?

In my opinion, all of Krishna's wives and also the Gopis were the forms of Lakshmi Ma only...Vishnu Bhagwaan cannot be united with anyone but Ma Lakshmi even on Earth, so Lakshmiji must have taken thousands of forms to play a leela with Vishnu Bhagwaan on Earth.😊

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Gunia Namrata

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Posted: 13 years ago

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POST EDITED!!

I'm extremely sorry to hurt u Janu di, never said all that with such an intention!😭

Bye😭

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Janaki

@RamKiSeeta

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Posted: 13 years ago

#213

^^ Thanks Gunia, that helped. Don't worry, I don't have any doubts anymore.😊

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Gunia Namrata

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Posted: 13 years ago

#214

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath
^^ Thanks Gunia, that helped. Don't worry, I don't have any doubts anymore.😊

U can def ask more doubts u r free to do so!!!🤗

everything is quite clear btw us, so thts all!🤗m not upset wth u!😊🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

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Janaki

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: arun-deeps

U can def ask more doubts u r free to do so!!!🤗
everything is quite clear btw us, so thts all!🤗m not upset wth u!😊🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

Thanks a lot, dear, you're so sweet!🤗 I received your PMs, will def reply to you as soon as I get some studying done...I keep getting distracted by IF.😳😆

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Gunia Namrata

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath
Thanks a lot, dear, you're so sweet!🤗 I received your PMs, will def reply to you as soon as I get some studying done...I keep getting distracted by IF.😳😆

Awww...U're also an awesome person my sis!!🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗 Awww...yeah reply as n when u get time! No hurries I'm always there for ya!!😳 U only taught me that work comes frst so ALL THE BEST n forget the rest!! 👍🏼 😆 haan it rhymes😆 I also get distracted by IF 🤣 bt my mommies one loud call is enough to bring me back😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣he he he

God Bless

love ya!❤️

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Gunia Namrata

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Posted: 13 years ago

#217

Hi my RSji fans!

Here's my update on Vijaya Dashmi hope u like it most of which I used RSR scenes😆!! FEEL FREE TO USE dem! 😛 n guys U can also req siggies keeping rules in mind...coz m free for few daysas I was d frst to finish up my projectso happy requesting

DEVOTIONAL

Radhe-Shyam(Keeping my dear Aishu in mind!)

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VIJAYA DASHMI SPL

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Aishwarya

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Posted: 13 years ago

#218

Wow Gunia, this one if my favorite. Brilliant work.😍

Hi guys! I have a four day weekend and found some time for the internet 😳

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MagadhSundari

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: arun-deeps

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OMG I love this scene!!! Had to be one hell of an earring, that it looked like lightning 😆 Amazingly original concepts you siggify Gunu, hats off 👏

Seeing this I'm reminded of a discussion thread I've been wanting to start, but I need you guys' help framing the question. Some time back I did a lot of thinking about Ravan's monologue in front of his Shivling before his last battle with Shri Ram. I've always loved this scene because a) that room with its redness and smokiness looks so damn cool 😆 and b) I always like to think that even the bad guys were really good guys and everyone just played their part in a drama in order to teach us all lessons, and this scene lent itself to that belief quite perfectly. The knowledge that Ravan demonstrates is mind boggling after all his "Shri MAT kaho usse!" crap, the way he admits that he KNOWS the power got to his head, he knows he's been blinded by pride and did stupid things under its spell, and that the spell was put in place by God himself. It's a short but incredibly complex dialogue that translates to, "yes, I know exactly what's going on! no I don't! yes I do! no I don't!" - and it got me thinking about several broad ideas - the idea of a conscience, of being aware of what's right and wrong and still choosing as we do, virodh bhakti as a consciously chosen mode of liberation, and the idea of actually being blinded by pride versus hiding behind this as a mere excuse. So, here's the scene, please help me organize my thoughts so we can get a discussion going and cover these and other related concepts:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAu6-4muapQ[/YOUTUBE]

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Shivang

@ShivangBuch

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Posted: 13 years ago

#220

The timing of posting this scene is just amazing Lola. I thought about this scene just day before yesterday only while writing the fanfic on Gandhari in the Gandhari thread. Cosmic connection. 😊 Sema is also planning to post something about Ravan and Kans virodh bhakti in Devotees thread started. She will also be posting the analysis of my Kans diary on Janmashtami in her diary thread.

This sounds like or creates thoughts in our mind of interesting debate something like - Ravan's Prem Lakshanaa Bhakti of Shiv (Demanding, fighting, complaining, getting angry or unhappy) arguably - not sure whether right category or not (I mean prem to dur ki baat whether he can be called real true genuine worshiper/devotee or not) - Vs Ravan's Virodh Bhakti of Vishnu (Parallel devotion/meditation of two forms of God in different ways/bhaav). And deliberately chosen path of destruction in this world for salvation reminds me of Duryodhan's very popular sentence - "Janami dharmam na cha me pravrutti". (This sounds more applicable to above Ravan scene.) Always puzzling when does this statement comes in the epic because BRC Duryodhan is always stupid and never knowledgeable as his supporters claim with this Sanskrit saying!!!!!!!😲 They just support him saying that he was self aware but lacked self control. He knew dharma but couldn't implement due to the inner natural strong force resisting/restricting him. One can't overcome one's nature and even Geeta says that one achieves salvation through the following of his/her nature only whether right or wrong because that is something which is destined by God (it's debateable whether the word destined here is something for which human is helpless which is programmed in own virtues & vices or something which is defined duties as per shaastra in various situations for humans. The alternate word SAHAJAM used in Geeta indicates the former interpretation. Prakrutim yaanti bhootaani, nigraha kim karishyasi?? Swabhaavjen Kaunteya nibadhdhah swen karmanaa, kartum nechchhasi yanmohaat, karishyasyavashopi tat - this is very very crucial interpretation required to be done. How can you expect/ask/force a lion or crockodile to eat vegetables or grass? And a fallen soul can't further fall but now can only be lifted by following own nature. One is required to follow always duty on hand in front in any situation and yet one is supposed to understand that eventually he will be doing only that whatever is naturally made done through him. This is most interesting theory of Geeta - Sahajam karm Kaunteya sadosham api na tyajet - I always wonder what is the context here - in the sense of choice of profession or way/approach of devotion???? Choice of greater role/duty in the situation of moral dilemma??? Or what? ).

Then the deliberate choice also joins the link of our mind to Taranisen story posted by Sema in Krittivas thread. A totally different from Duryodhan's case as he was also devotee with Daasya bhaav perhaps but only pretends unlike Duryodhan. Ravan is difficult to judge whether he is among pretenders like Taranisen & Kumbhkarna or like Duryodhan (as per that Sanskrit line and his epic image not our image through the serial) lacking self control. Kans is even more complex (also Shishupal) because he is not even mentioned anywhere to be knowledgeable (consciously doing adharma and knowing about his death possibly leading him towards salvation) I guess as claimed by some in case of Duryodhan and by most for Ravan.

Note: One must however take note that Duryodhan was not killed by Vishnu's incarnation and didn't go to Vaikunth but went to heaven and he wasn't the dwarpal of Vaikunth or related to Vishnu as his devotee but was Kaliyug.

And why Ravan has to take rebirth as Shishupal if he is killed by Ram and is said to have got the salvation? Why first of all Ravan had to take birth when Hiranyaksha was killed by Varah? Even if Jay had to take birth thrice, then also how can the theory that 'one who is killed by Vishnu gets immediate mukti' be wrong? And Shishupal - the last birth didn't even utter the name of Hari (which Ravan did just before dying) and also the circumstances of his death were not gradually built up like Ravan's surroundings becoming exhausted one by one with relatives breaking his ego by the end of his life when the last arrow was shot in his navel.

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