Both Sreeram and Rakesh deserves to be in top 2

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don_123

@don_123

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Posted: 15 years ago

#21

Well we're missing the point that Sreeram is not as spectacular as people make him out to be. I'm sorry but, if people like Sonu and Shreya start competing with him, we will definitely see a difference in their levels. I think singers like Shivam and Shashi gave him a good 'takkar' in this competition, as they're both also classically trained and very versatile. Not even in Indian Idol, I feel that some singers in other competitions are much better than him in terms of singing, even if they're not professionals.

Other than that, who cares if he has sung in 20+ telugu films, the fact is that 90% of us didn't know who Sreeram is till Indian Idol. The dude is just trying to showcase his talent to a larger audience, is that a crime? I don't think so.

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musickimasti

@musickimasti

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Posted: 15 years ago

#22

I agree. Both of them deserve to be in top 2.

I don't think Sreeram will win because he is already a playback singer in south and will get more opportunities.

They are going to make someone winner who has had no playback chance, bur can sing very well.

I think Rakesh will win Indian Idol.

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Shree Pavanaputra Mynampati

@loonyleo

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Posted: 15 years ago

#23

@thewiseguy. First of all thanks for seeing the humor in the post.

Regarding the technicalities between playback and live singing; I only brought it up because you brought it up in your earlier post. I believe this is a good format to get GOOD singers irrespective of what they end up doing. The advantage of someone with existing playback experience is that it does wonders to ones confidence and also helps in getting noticed. Not to mention the contacts you develop (I am not saying he is using his contacts so do not misconstrue what I am trying to say)

Now regarding fanbase; let me explain my stand. First of all, I know the telugu film industry is not small hence my earlier sarcastic post.

Mr. Sreeramachandra came into the competition with an existing fan base. All of his 25+ movies did not fare miserably at the box office. For example Ashta Chamma was not only a box office sucess, but was nominated for best film (filmfare south awards held in mid 2009 in Hyderabad), source wiki) and won the award for best actress (filmfare south, source wiki). Sreeram was starting to do mainstream telugu movies (you yourself have admitted that it's a big industry). He has the telugu film industry agressively backing him (even through press conferences) which is not a small thing. Karunya (ex II finalist and a playback singer himself in telugu, with nominations last year for a filmfare south award) himself came on the show to promote him. Please don't tell me that he was not known in AP.

If he is as talented as you make him out to be, why does he need II when he already has made inroads into the industry. Do you mean to say, Bharat was as talanted as Sreeram? or is it that his talent is such that it will disappear into oblivion if it does not get noticed in this show? He did the right thing by exploring avenues but Sony has done an injustice by giving a spot to a professional singer. This spot should have gone to a struggler/beginner. Swaroop maybe has sung in concerts but he has not sung in movies. His uncle maybe a singer with connections but do you mean to say he is using it? If that's the case, Sreeram has more than enough to get him by. Is that what you are alluding to?

Also, he won ETv Okkare in 2008 end (aired internationally as well) so let me draw an analogy. There is a show in Kerala (Asianet Star Singer) which is very popular in the state as well as the middle east. Now if anybody featured on that show were to come on say II, the whole of Kerala and half of the Gulf region will vote no matter how hoarsely that person sings. I like Sreeram but not blindly. I admit he is a good singer and definitely belongs in playback. My reservations are only due to his professional background. His spot should have gone to someone more in need of exposure.

I know you will disagree but my sarcastic post remains justified. He had an existing fanbase and they are voting with blind passion. In my point of view, Sreeram is not going anywhere, he is meant to be in the playback scene and he will irrespective of II or not. My fear is that in the process, we may lose some good singers who really need to be there in II to enter playback.

Long story short, Sony gave away one spot which should have gone to a beginner.

Also. by asking a contestant to sing in a movie while the contest is going on was also not right and borders on being unethical. They should not have announced it now. They could have done it after the results were declared. Can you imagine what it must have done to the morale of other contestants? Not to mention influencing future votes?

@don_123

I am not against showcasing talent on the national stage. My post mentions that it was Sony that did the injustice by allowing him to compete (though they might have been motivated due to different reasons which I thing was not just simply to promote talent. There is no free lunch especially in the entertainment industry).

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Shree Pavanaputra Mynampati

@loonyleo

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Posted: 15 years ago

#24

From his resume I found online. It could be old but gives us enough of a perspective. It did for me.

Play Back Singing:

Started play back singing at the age of 17, after winning the Anand Raagam Contest.So far have lent my voice for 18 movies and have sung 35 songs, also have done a Hindi private Album (titled HUM).

Have sung for 10 devotional albums (Names) and did many jingles.

Movies:
1. Apple,

2. Cheekatilo,

3. Prema Khareedu,

4. Mulla Kireetam,

5. Production No. one,

6. NOTEBOOK: Recent

7. Okkatoudaam: Recent

8. Satya In Love: Recent

9. ASTA CHAMMA: Recent

10.Murder, (Telugu).

11.One:Recent

12.Happy Journey:Recent,

13.Sunami:Recent,

And many more yet to be released.

Also sang tunes for MANI SERMA SIR,in movies PARUGU,ONTARI.

Sang a few solo bits for KEERAVANI SIR,in GUNDEJHALLUMANDI.

Stage Shows:

Started performing at the age of 8.

Till date I have done about 40 stage shows including classical and filmi music.

December 15, 2006 Show with Malati garu.

July 18

th show with sunitha garu.

Mostly done shows on my own n with my uncle, C.Venkata Chalam Garu.

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sushrutapandey

@sushrutapandey

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Posted: 15 years ago

#25

@loonyleo: You are missing one key point. He would never have been known in Bollywood irrespective of what he did in Telugu industry.

I don't know if people remember or not, in II4, there was also a playback singer from Bangalore who was selected into top 16. That guy was not selected in further rounds. So this is not the first time this is being done and no one objected at that time or gave it a second thought.

The only reason I think all this fuss is being made this time around is because Sreeram has gained unexpected levels of popularity this time and he is hanging around pretty well.

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Shree Pavanaputra Mynampati

@loonyleo

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Posted: 15 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: sushrutapandey
@loonyleo: You are missing one key point. He would never have been known in Bollywood irrespective of what he did in Telugu industry.

I don't know if people remember or not, in II4, there was also a playback singer from Bangalore who was selected into top 16. That guy was not selected in further rounds. So this is not the first time this is being done and no one objected at that time or gave it a second thought.

The only reason I think all this fuss is being made this time around is because Sreeram has gained unexpected levels of popularity this time and he is hanging around pretty well.

No offense, but do you mean to say that well known personalities like SPB, Yesudas, Chitra and AR Rehman, all from the south, needed some sort of a reality show to get noticed by bollywood?

Real talent would get noticed no matter what. Sreeram is a talent and would have gotten noticed since he was already in the industry. Maybe it would have taken some time. Like I said, if he really is the once in a lifetime talent all of us make him out to be, he should be something exceptional and should not require a reality show. While some other unlucky beginner who should have gotten the chance is now struggling all dispirited. Was the Bagalore guy as talented as Sreeram? Did he sing in the soundtrack of a well known movie? Did he have a regional movie industry backing so much through the show? Did he win a contract mid way into the competition?

Anyway this is just a personal opinion and let it be at that.

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sushrutapandey

@sushrutapandey

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Posted: 15 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: loonyleo

No offense, but do you mean to say that well known personalities like SPB, Yesudas, Chitra and AR Rehman, all from the south, needed some sort of a reality show to get noticed by bollywood?

Real talent would get noticed no matter what. Sreeram is a talent and would have gotten noticed since he was already in the industry. Maybe it would have taken some time. Like I said, if he really is the once in a lifetime talent all of us make him out to be, he should be something exceptional and should not require a reality show. While some other unlucky beginner who should have gotten the chance is now struggling all dispirited. Was the Bagalore guy as talented as Sreeram? Did he sing in the soundtrack of a well known movie? Did he have a regional movie industry backing so much through the show? Did he win a contract mid way into the competition?

Anyway this is just a personal opinion and let it be at that.

Dude, you know mentioning SPB,Yesudas etc is totally irrelevant. They are really top level people and they got recognized years after they were recognized in the South. I know Sreeram is very talented but it remains to be seen if he is as top notch as those people. There are many rungs between SPB, Yesudas and a budding singer.

And , I will ask this question to the non-South Indians. Name two upcoming singers in the Telugu industry. I am pretty sure no one can tell and no one cares.

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Shree Pavanaputra Mynampati

@loonyleo

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Posted: 15 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: sushrutapandey

Dude, you know mentioning SPB,Yesudas etc is totally irrelevant. They are really top level people and they got recognized years after they were recognized in the South. I know Sreeram is very talented but it remains to be seen if he is as top notch as those people. There are many rungs between SPB, Yesudas and a budding singer.

And , I will ask this question to the non-South Indians. Name two upcoming singers in the Telugu industry. I am pretty sure no one can tell and no one cares.

Madam,

My point exactly. That's why I mentioned if he was good enough he will be noticed in time just like they were. SPB was not born as THE SPB. Nobody begins big as you rightly said, there are rungs and what I am saying is he was already on the ladder maybe at a lower rung. If he is not good, nobody can save him even if he wins II. Only time will tell.

What my issue is that there are very talented people trying to reach the lowest rung and that is the spot our guy took. Sony should help these people trying to reach the lowest rung first. Can you for sure say that there was nobody in the auditions who was talented enough for the top 17 other than the ones finally selected? Each seat counts.

By the way, thanks for the "rung" analogy, it helps visualizing this issue even better 😃

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kalyan

@kallu_be

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Posted: 15 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: loonyleo
@thewiseguy. First of all thanks for seeing the humor in the post.

Regarding the technicalities between playback and live singing; I only brought it up because you brought it up in your earlier post. I believe this is a good format to get GOOD singers irrespective of what they end up doing. The advantage of someone with existing playback experience is that it does wonders to ones confidence and also helps in getting noticed. Not to mention the contacts you develop (I am not saying he is using his contacts so do not misconstrue what I am trying to say)

Now regarding fanbase; let me explain my stand. First of all, I know the telugu filmindustry is not small hence my earlier sarcastic post.

Mr. Sreeramachandra came into the competition with an existing fan base.

Yes a fan base from a region where people don't watch hindi programs and a fan base from a region where the winner of a competition is determined by judges and not by votes(so does voting culture). Even the existing fanbase is due to the same thing he is doing now i.e singing which makes it fair and square.

All of his 25+ movies did not fare miserably at the box office. For example Ashta Chammawas not only a box office sucess, but was nominated for best film (filmfare south awardsheld in mid 2009 in Hyderabad), source wiki) and won the award for best actress (filmfare south, source wiki).

Astha chamma is a box office success in a relative way not in absolute way, it was a success considering the fact that every actor is a debutant and its made of just 1.5 crore. How many people know the singers of a movie called "Kanchivaram" which won national award last year. My point is how an award for a heroine put a limelight on a singer(only god knows).

Sreeram was starting to do mainstream telugu movies (you yourself have admitted that it's a big industry).He has the telugu film industry agressively backing him (even through press conferences) which is not a small thing.

Can you shed some light on that, can you be specific on which actor has backed him till now. Don't tell me its sushanth, even i don't know such an actor exists till i watched a video on youtube. So much for promotion. That guy doesn't even have a page in wiki and bechara has done a movie which bombed at box office.

Karunya (ex II finalist and a playback singer himself in telugu, with nominations last year for a filmfare south award) himself came on the show to promote him. Please don't tell me that he was not known in AP.

He does known in AP, but the question is how many people from AP watch Indian Idol? and its not that karunya himself come over himself to promote him. Its the sony that asked karunya to promote him.

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If he is as talented as you make him out to be, why does he need II when he already has made inroads into the industry.

With your same analogy, if other singers have talent whats the need for them to be participating in II. How did singing in telugu industry put someone in limelight in bollywood. Have you seen future where he is singing for bollywood movies without being participated in II, can you give him guarantee for that. Winning in II does give him guarantee regarding this issue.

Do you mean to say, Bharat was as talanted as Sreeram? oris it that his talent is such that it will disappear into oblivion if it does not get noticed in this show? He did the right thing by exploring avenues but Sony has done an injustice by giving a spot to a professional singer. This spot should have gone to a struggler/beginner.

I want 25% reservation for SC/ST, 33% reservation for BC, 33% reservation for women singers. My point is what have you mentioned is just your opinion and does not carry value.

Swaroop maybe has sung in concerts but he has not sung in movies. His uncle maybe a singer with connections butdo you mean to say he is using it? If that's the case, Sreeram has more than enough to get him by. Is that what you are alluding to?

Also, he won ETv Okkare in 2008 end (aired internationally as well) so let medraw an analogy.There is a show in Kerala (Asianet Star Singer) which is very popular in the state as well as the middle east. Now if anybody featured on that show were to come on say II, the whole of Kerala and half of the Gulf region will vote no matter how hoarsely that person sings.

Is this one of your assumptions or is it actually happened.

I like Sreeram but not blindly. I admit he is a good singer and definitely belongs inplayback. My reservations are only due to his professional background. His spot should have gone to someone more in need of exposure.

So now you are judging others that they are blind supporters of sreeram. Sreeram fans in this forum are from all over India and they become his fans after his participation in II not after okkaru.

I know you will disagree but my sarcastic post remains justified. He had an existing fanbase and they are voting with blind passion. In my point of view, Sreeram is not going anywhere, he is meant to be in the playback scene and he will irrespective of II or not. My fear is that in the process, we may lose some good singers who really need to be there in II to enter playback.

Long story short, Sonygave away one spot which should have gone to a beginner.

Beginner? Can you be more objective?

Also. by asking a contestant to sing in a movie while the contest is going on was also not right and borders on being unethical.They should not have announced it now. They could have done it after the results were declared. Can you imagine what it must have done to the morale of other contestants?Not to mentioninfluencing future votes?

Then please stop watching Indian Idol.

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Shree Pavanaputra Mynampati

@loonyleo

Beginner

Posted: 15 years ago

#30

My responses in Red. It was getting pretty messy.

Didn't understand your point buddy. I am a south Indian living in the south. What's the point you are trying to make? Is it that Shreeram did not have any fanbase because he won programs judged by judges and not by popular voting? Or that people in the south don't understand or watch hindi programming? If it is the second, that is a silly sterotype.

No it is not fair and square. There is a difference. When you talk about singing and a fanbase, it is directly propotional to how many people your talent i.e. singing reaches. More the people watching, more the chance of people liking it. Movies or popular TV. He had an edge starting off. A whole state worth.

I have read news about press conferences and the like where people in the industry have requested the locals to vote for him. By the way of all the top 17 contestants, his is the only case that I have read where a local/regional industry has gone ahead and openly supported someone. By the way I never said an actor backed him. Singers also are part of the industry.

So now you are saying that an actor named Sushanth backed him as well. This is news. Thanks 😃.

He does known in AP, but the question is how many people from AP watch Indian Idol? and its not that karunya himself come over himself to promote him. Its the sony that asked karunya to promote him.

You mean to say people in general in AP don't watch II5 even with Sreeram participating? Does not make any sense. Karunya per your own condition should be known around the place since he was an II finalist himself. Are all of Karunya's fans who took him to the final not getting influenced and voting?

I agree with you. The show was blatantly promoting him. I have always maintained that selection process was the problem. I like Sreeram's singing.

With your same analogy, if other singers have talent whats the need for them to be participating in II. How did singing in telugu industry put someone in limelight in bollywood. Have you seen future where he is singing for bollywood movies without being participated in II, can you give him guarantee for that. Winning in II does give him guarantee regarding this issue.

Just read my post answering sushrutapande on this topic. Actually it's more clear there. I don't want to keep repeating myself.

I want 25% reservation for SC/ST, 33% reservation for BC, 33% reservation for women singers. My point is what have you mentioned is just your opinion and does not carry value.

What's there to confirm whether your opinion carries any value either. I am just giving an opinion and I think the forum is meant to be that only. Take it as that. Don't fret over it.

Is this one of your assumptions or is it actually happened

You mean to say that most of his old fans who are voting from AP now have manged to forget all his past performances on Telugu reality shows there/ Telugu movies ? Are they able to view him as objectively and impartially as anybody else in the show? If yes, it goes against normal human psyche. If in a remote chance it is actually happening, I will take my point back.

So now you are judging others that they are blind supporters of sreeram. Sreeram fans in this forum are from all over India and they become his fans after his participation in II not after okkaru.

I am not judging others. All I said is what I don't want to be. Why are you inferring? Did I say anything about others? I think you are the one passing judgements.

Beginner? Can you be more objective?

Someone who has not sung playback in a mainstream movie. I think that is an objective enough statement.

Then please stop watching Indian Idol.

I did not know that you were paying my electricity/cable bill.

Dude, I am just voicing my opinion. You can leave a certain point blank if you don't have anything to say. Why are you getting personal? Your angry response only seems to show that you don't have anything substantial to say.

Hey! again, I like him and all my best wishes for him. My point is against the selection process.

Edited by loonyleo - 15 years ago