The best parallel served to us Arylieans till date!!! - Page 4

Originally posted by: LiveLife321

When it comes to Aryan's feelings whether it's love or anger, it's crystal clear wrt presentation. But when it comes to imlie's feelings, most of the times we have to assume, ohhh this is what she is thinking.

I some how feel this is the actual issue with this show.

No but if they didn't refuse to acknowledge their need for each other on the surface toh angst kaise prolong hoga?

They will reconcile in one minute and show over.

Yes I'll agree that characterization of Aryan has been much much better compared to all other characters of the show. But it also comes from the fact that he was written-in with the purpose of elevating other characters.

The passion with which Aryan loves or hates or just reacts to any other character will make the Audience feel the same for those characters as well. I for one fell for imlie as Aryan fell for her, seeing her strength to smile at toughest time (adini 2nd wedding)

Originally posted by: Param-Sundari

No but if they didn't refuse to acknowledge their need for each other on the surface toh angst kaise prolong hoga?

They will reconcile in one minute and show over.

Yes I'll agree that characterization of Aryan has been much much better compared to all other characters of the show. But it also comes from the fact that he was written-in with the purpose of elevating other characters.

The passion with which Aryan loves or hates or just reacts to any other character will make the Audience feel the same for those characters as well. I for one fell for imlie as Aryan fell for her, seeing her strength to smile at toughest time (adini 2nd wedding)

I respect your pov but let's agree to disagree.

My issue is not with the angst, my issue is about maintaining balance in the character as well as in their relationship. Let me elaborate my pov, in the separation track, she left him because she doesn't want to become the pain in his life. That's understandable. But just to show some meaningless balance between them, they made her blame him that is utter meaningless. Some times on the name of women empowerment the kind of meaningless crap these people make the ITV FL do in the show is truly pathetic. Women empowerment doesn't mean that we fight with the men in our life without any meaning. Women empowerment means having freedom to make our own choices in our life which is not possible without financial independence. This is strictly my pov, feel free to disagree if you are not okay with it.

Coming to Aryan's love for imlie, I am completely with you. All I am trying to say is that I would like to see the same intensity and passion most importantly trust in her love for Aryan. 50-50 partnership is really good but that should not be only for the action sequences, it should reflect in their relationship too.

Originally posted by: LiveLife321

I respect your pov but let's agree to disagree.

My issue is not with the angst, my issue is about maintaining balance in the character as well as in their relationship. Let me elaborate my pov, in the separation track, she left him because she doesn't want to become the pain in his life. That's understandable. But just to show some meaningless balance between them, they made her blame him that is utter meaningless. Some times on the name of women empowerment the kind of meaningless crap these people make the ITV FL do in the show is truly pathetic. Women empowerment doesn't mean that we fight with the men in our life without any meaning. Women empowerment means having freedom to make our own choices in our life which is not possible without financial independence. This is strictly my pov, feel free to disagree if you are not okay with it.

Coming to Aryan's love for imlie, I am completely with you. All I am trying to say is that I would like to see the same intensity and passion most importantly trust in her love for Aryan. 50-50 partnership is really good but that should not be only for the action sequences, it should reflect in their relationship too.

That's one way to see it. I respect your POV. And we're on same page about limitations of itv as a medium with regards to a balanced storytelling

My POV is completely different for seperation track however. The moment malini re-entered their lives, imlie's trauma was triggered which started when malini molested AKT (imlie's then husband) to get back at imlie.

Which Aryan had anticipated. He tried his best to support her through this until his trauma of loosing his loved ones was triggered as well on misscarriage.

Otherwise would you, as a woman be able to see a man blaming his wife for her own misscarriage? Specially a man like Aryan.

50-50 partnership is their journey, the moment they reached that balance in all aspects of life the story will come to an end.

Originally posted by: Param-Sundari

That's one way to see it. I respect your POV. And we're on same page about limitations of itv as a medium with regards to a balanced storytelling

My POV is completely different for seperation track however. The moment malini re-entered their lives, imlie's trauma was triggered which started when malini molested AKT (imlie's then husband) to get back at imlie.

Which Aryan had anticipated. He tried his best to support her through this until his trauma of loosing his loved ones was triggered as well on misscarriage.

Otherwise would you, as a woman be able to see a man blaming his wife for her own misscarriage? Specially a man like Aryan.

50-50 partnership is their journey, the moment they reached that balance in all aspects of life the story will come to an end.

I only saw the show from Aryan's entry. Tried watching initial episodes but I am sorry to say that it's not my cup of tea. The way they made a mockery of the marriage, I stay far away from ekta shows just for this reason.

That guy stood like a rock for her by taking every blow without any complaint so that she can lean on that rock for her support while standing up. He too was fighting his own battles at that time. In return he got the worst blow where it hurts him the most at the most vulnerable time by the most important person of his life. He too is a human. Maybe we all want Aryan to love and support imlie unconditionally but not the vice versa. Isn't it too unfair.

I am a woman, wife, mother to a teenage boy. If a mother carry her baby in her womb physically then a father carry his baby in his heart emotionally. It's truly unfair if we judge their love and loss based on gender. As a woman and a mother, I was able to connect with Aryan's loss and pain but not with imlie. I am really sorry to say this.

Even if they reach complete balance in their relationship in all aspects then also they can explore infinite ways to move the story forward. They don't have to aim loaded guns at each other always to make the show moving. As a team they can face and fight the challenges in their life if the writers and creatives wish.

Originally posted by: LiveLife321

I only saw the show from Aryan's entry. Tried watching initial episodes but I am sorry to say that it's not my cup of tea. The way they made a mockery of the marriage, I stay far away from ekta shows just for this reason.

That guy stood like a rock for her by taking every blow without any complaint so that she can lean on that rock for her support while standing up. He too was fighting his own battles at that time. In return he got the worst blow where it hurts him the most at the most vulnerable time by the most important person of his life. He too is a human. Maybe we all want Aryan to love and support imlie unconditionally but not the vice versa. Isn't it too unfair.

I am a woman, wife, mother to a teenage boy. If a mother carry her baby in her womb physically then a father carry his baby in his heart emotionally. It's truly unfair if we judge their love and loss based on gender. As a woman and a mother, I was able to connect with Aryan's loss and pain but not with imlie. I am really sorry to say this.

Even if they reach complete balance in their relationship in all aspects then also they can explore infinite ways to move the story forward. They don't have to aim loaded guns at each other always to make the show moving. As a team they can face and fight the challenges in their life if the writers and creatives wish.

Yes i got that you probably watched after Aryan. Even I've seen the old storyline only in passing, I've not been invested in this show before him.

But big picture imlie-aditya-malini traumatized eachother in ways that can't be remedied in this lifetime. You can't chose one over these 3.

And coming back to story and medium, imlie is FL and audience needs to sympathise and connect with her, that's where Aryan comes in.

How much they achieved that is debatable, because most audience sympathies still lie with aryan including me.

And like you also mentioned, in their journey, imlie too has not seen Aryan as a human with vulnerabilities. There are a lot of instances where she thinks he has bigger purpose in life and "emotional sickness" (falling in love) is beneath him. She has called him parbat too. Because he has always been that way, always overlooked his struggles in front of her smile. And part of it can be attributed to her age. Her blame game also stemmed from that.

They do love eachother unconditionally, expectations are part of being in a relationship. But falling in love can't miraculously change the person they are, their traumas make them what they are, and they have accepted eachother with those attributes. The challenges are part of life, sometimes they lose, sometimes they win.

And last para, i don't think ITV can or would to do something like that. The constant struggle for each trp point leaves little room for a rational storytelling. So we will always get 2nd best unfortunately.

We all start our journey at some point and learn lessons through our life experiences and mistakes. That's how we grow in our life. Imlie too need to learn her lessons, for that first she needs to accept her mistakes, for that she needs to come out of the I am always right zone. How long we will justify her unreasonable behaviour on the name of trauma, age,gender etc... They have to show some growth in her character or else it's very difficult to connect with her character.

Originally posted by: LiveLife321

We all start our journey at some point and learn lessons through our life experiences and mistakes. That's how we grow in our life. Imlie too need to learn her lessons, for that first she needs to accept her mistakes, for that she needs to come out of the I am always right zone. How long we will justify her unreasonable behaviour on the name of trauma, age,gender etc... They have to show some growth in her character or else it's very difficult to connect with her character.

Totally agree.

Am I coming across as trying to justify imlie? Because I'm not doing it consciously.

My view is I see arylie as a unit. So it's either they lift eachother or they both fall together.

The separation track has been the one where they really fell, for the first time.

I agree that imlie's character arc is very poor and changes as per convinience being ITV FL, and I don't blame anyone for not being able to connect with the character either. It is what it is, we learn to live with it over time.

It's good to discuss different opinions respectfully. 😊

I truly enjoyed reading this conversation.

Originally posted by: LiveLife321

I only saw the show from Aryan's entry. Tried watching initial episodes but I am sorry to say that it's not my cup of tea. The way they made a mockery of the marriage, I stay far away from ekta shows just for this reason.

That guy stood like a rock for her by taking every blow without any complaint so that she can lean on that rock for her support while standing up. He too was fighting his own battles at that time. In return he got the worst blow where it hurts him the most at the most vulnerable time by the most important person of his life. He too is a human. Maybe we all want Aryan to love and support imlie unconditionally but not the vice versa. Isn't it too unfair.

I am a woman, wife, mother to a teenage boy. If a mother carry her baby in her womb physically then a father carry his baby in his heart emotionally. It's truly unfair if we judge their love and loss based on gender. As a woman and a mother, I was able to connect with Aryan's loss and pain but not with imlie. I am really sorry to say this.

Even if they reach complete balance in their relationship in all aspects then also they can explore infinite ways to move the story forward. They don't have to aim loaded guns at each other always to make the show moving. As a team they can face and fight the challenges in their life if the writers and creatives wish.

I agree with u for the fact that we r not being able to connect with imlie... reason being imlie wasn't shown broken on the loss of child... plus she lost her husband too she wasn't seem to have any sort of pain ...or maybe the CVs have not shown her breakdown as they shown for Aryan...she was shown more concerned for gudiya at that point of time instead of her own broken family..

.I did connect to the blame she gave to Aryan was basically bcoz Aryan said to her k "Mai tumhai kabhi girne nhi dongaa " so the blame was u let me fall Aryan that is y I lost my child...she thought that when I did mistakes in the past n blamed Aryan or fought with him this time too maybe I can get away with this blunder ....

I m sure CVs have store the imlie (mc) pain to be revealed in the coming episodes maybe 🤔...n then maybe we might be able to connect with her ...

Till now it's basically role reversal sort of thing... when arylie meet before leap as boss n employee... Aryan was rock solid n didn't used to show his emotion whereas imlie used to cry for her BS n her marriage that ended... Aryan used to listen n absorb her pain gives her reason to fight back ....

Now post leap it's Aryan who has turned all emotional n imlie is not showing emotion...She is now doing the same for Aryan that he once did for her..she is trying to make him stand n fight for his business, himself...his self worth bcoz he has lost everything after imlie left him ....

The problem with Imlie's characterisation is that we're just supposed to assume that she must also be sad because of the MC because she is a woman. We do not see any clear indication of it except for the few times we have her saying that she has also suffered the pain of loss. Whereas Aryan's suffering is explicitly shown to us. We see Imlie's pain at being separated from the love of her life but not the pain of losing her child. That's why it is difficult to feel connected to her for most of us. Not saying she should sit and cry about it all day but it would've been so much better if they explored the loss and the sorrow associated with it, from her point of view also, more in depth. Somebody on the forum (don't remember who, sorry) mentioned that she could be shown having nightmares about the day of the accident, which I thought was a nice idea. Because that is something that will help us SEE that she too has been suffering because of their loss. Classic example of SHOW, don't tell. Right now we only have her TELLING us that she's also suffered but we've not actually SEEN it. Therefore it sometimes comes across as if she doesn't care about Cheeku as much as Aryan does. If they adress this aspect of it, it would be easier to sympathise with her. After all she was a 20 year old girl whose triggers made her take less than wise decisions which ultimately led to the accident. It was a sorry occurance and people make mistakes. This was a costly mistake and if just a little more perspective of her pain was clearly shown to us, along with maybe a little introspection, it would be easier to connect with her.