A smart move by CVs....who are you supporting? - Page 6

Originally posted by: pratyay

If expecting your partner to logically react rather than impulsively is asking her to change, then yes, Aryan is at fault.

If expecting your partner to stay away from her deranged sister is asking her to change, then yes, Aryan is at fault.

If asking your partner to put their child and her husband as 1st priority is asking her to change, then yes, Aryan is at fault.

Aryan didn't see Imlie's relation when Gudiya was in Malini's womb. He only saw her obsession with AKT, Tripathis and how Malini used it to harm Imlie.

Aryan puts his family and their safety over Gudiya and Malini using her to harm Imlie.

It might not be in Imlie's mind but the child is daughter of AKT and Malini. Just because it is not in her head, that doesn't translate to others not having it in their head. If being selfless is not her fault, then being logical is not his fault.

“it might not be in Imlie's mind but the child is daughter of AKT and Malini. just because it is not in her head, that doesn't translate to others not having it in their head.” - so what you’re saying is, she herself didn’t think it, but because other people who aren’t her think it, therefore Imlie deserves to be crucified over other people’s thoughts because she is somehow responsible for other people’s thoughts. you’re kidding, right?

my issue isn’t with Aryan not knowing about Imlie and Gudiya’s long running bond, or his expectations of Imlie as a partner, or what he his pov on the Imlie-Tripathis equation. my issue isn’t with Aryan at all (other than his bringing up of AKT at that point). my issue is with the people who are crucifying Imlie over Aryan’s not knowing of Imlie and Gudiya’s bond, his expectations of Imlie, and his pov on the Imlie-Tripathis equation.

For me both aditya n imlie were wrong (aditya more) havent seen inital epis of show so my verdict is based on viral clips n random epis..not justifying malini recent behaviour at all.. but initially yes i did have empathy for her more.i ofc dnt like this super changed super evil malini at all .. who looks worse than her own evil mother also ..

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

P.S -- I can see a lot of the divide among the different teams is because we actually all have very different world views, perceptions and expectations about relationships, marriage and families.

if imlie did apologize, it made no impact on me and I can't even remember them. imlie's very few apologies was half-baked and childish in my view. when you are 5, you can say "well, I didn't mean it" and people may excuse it. when you are an adult, it is irrelevant what your intentions were -- ultimately, it is about consequences. if the choices you make resulted in disastrous consequences, then you need to own up to it. that is part of being an adult.

let me give you an example. I was watching a documentary yesterday about some of the items scandals in recent years that happened in credit suisse (famous international private bank). some of those scandals were attributed a high risk culture led by some of the strategies each of these CEOs set. what happened? a series of CEOs got fired -- they could not argue in front of the board that their intent was to increase profitability and therefore they are good. nope, that is not how the real world works. result matters and you get booted out.

in this drama, the CVs continously keep lifting up imlie like she is untoucheable. that is annoying because she is obviously human and very flawed. my personal view is that you can't use traumas as an excuse to keep doing stupid stuff. at some point, one has to become better.

also, I don't believe that just because you love someone, you don't have to change. that is a nice romantic illusion but that is not reality. every relationship changes us in different ways whether it is family or friendships or romantic love. we meld, change a little but also stay the same. it is like the path of a river.

ofcourse, your family accepts you but their behaviours impact you and you impact them. that is symbiotic. did aryan change? yes, he did. he went from being angry, resentful and suspicious to seeing how imlie saw the world. he became more positive and more trusting.

when people refuse to change, often it leads to negative consequences -- that is what I see in the real world. so the idea that she does not have to change and everyone has to accept her just as she is -- nope! that is not my world view.

we all have to change depending on the circumstances and who we interact with and we keep changing everyday based on what happens to us. we cannot stay the same. some part of us will be the same but another part of us will change and grow up. that is just life! 🤷

Originally posted by: handlerxsaviour

“it might not be in Imlie's mind but the child is daughter of AKT and Malini. just because it is not in her head, that doesn't translate to others not having it in their head.” - so what you’re saying is, she herself didn’t think it, but because other people who aren’t her think it, therefore Imlie deserves to be crucified over other people’s thoughts because she is somehow responsible for other people’s thoughts. you’re kidding, right?

my issue isn’t with Aryan not knowing about Imlie and Gudiya’s long running bond, or his expectations of Imlie as a partner, or what he his pov on the Imlie-Tripathis equation. my issue isn’t with Aryan at all (other than his bringing up of AKT at that point). my issue is with the people who are crucifying Imlie over Aryan’s not knowing of Imlie and Gudiya’s bond, his expectations of Imlie, and his pov on the Imlie-Tripathis equation.

Those other people are her husband and in laws. Not some strangers. When you are in a relationship, you are a family member, you give consideration to their thought process as well. Even if you don't agree to it. Still you do.

A random child on road is different from that of your ex husband plus step sister's child. Imlie's relationship with gudiya is weird. Just because Aryan said one line below the belt, that doesn't absolve her of her actions. I don't crucify Imlie, only when Aryan is made equivalent to AKT, I point out where I think Aryan's behavior is justified and where Imlie's isn't.

Originally posted by: Zainu621

For me both aditya n imlie were wrong (aditya more) havent seen inital epis of show so my verdict is based on viral clips n random epis..not justifying malini recent behaviour at all.. but initially yes i did have empathy for her more.i ofc dnt like this super changed super evil malini at all .. who looks worse than her own evil mother also ..

I think we have to remember Imlie's age as well when we analyze her. That is why I was more critical of Aditya than Imlie there.

I was not so into Aryan Imlie marriage for this one reason. Lack of maturity from Imlie's side. She just needs to know where to draw a line. Child track is perhaps the worst.

Originally posted by: pratyay

Those other people are her husband and in laws. Not some strangers. When you are in a relationship, you are a family member, you give consideration to their thought process as well. Even if you don't agree to it. Still you do.

A random child on road is different from that of your ex husband plus step sister's child. Imlie's relationship with gudiya is weird. Just because Aryan said one line below the belt, that doesn't absolve her of her actions. I don't crucify Imlie, only when Aryan is made equivalent to AKT, I point out where I think Aryan's behavior is justified and where Imlie's isn't.

From what I have watched all these years...The best/most impactful MC seq ever IMO was Bani's MC (her first child) of KasamSe. She was shown to be saving her hubby and amidst all ths MC happened. What a brilliant writing that was of EK's team. I still remember for 2-3 days I was finding it vry difficult to come out of the feel that MC seq gave.

It was completely due to her mahaanta yet...once she realized her unborn is no more...Man she kind of punished herself silently...her agony was shown so beautifully ...that of a mother who lost her child.

So mahaanta bhi dikhaya plus how maa ko dukh hota hain bhi dikha diya. So all sympathy with her only.

Same EK team showed YHM Ishita mahaanta during her MC but failed to show her pain. There also Raman ka pain dikhaya and complete sympathy/audience love shifted to Raman.

Now you guys can guess Imlie/MC/her mahaanta kahaan and kyun backfire hua. Reason why 2 din se I am behind her dialogues , the way she is shown after MC, the transition phase and everythng abt her 😆

Originally posted by: handlerxsaviour

but you see, the want to change in love is on the individual, at that individual’s discretion. it is not a given. rather, it is a privilege. if Aryan/Imlie wanted to change themselves for each other, great. but neither of them can expect that of the other in the name of love. all the more, they can’t impose it on each other. such a change never endures either. also, i’d disagree on the word “change” itself. true love should inspire you to evolve, not change. i’d definitely agree with Imlie herself evolving/wanting to evolve out of her love for Aryan. but my issue is that people who aren’t Aryan or Imlie are expecting from her to change herself, and then crucifying her for their own expectations and what they think Aryan expects of her. that isn’t fair.

ah again, very different world views. 🙂

ofcourse love should inspire you to evolve (meaning better) but sometimes, it just means change. this is a clash of cultures -- for better or worse, our country is in group culture which means we are expected to change for the better of the group. whether it is by choice or if it is imposed. in individual cultures, people may have a choice. but we here do it all the time -- sometimes we bite the bullet because we have to.

let me give you an example -- the family all goes out and maybe you hate chinese or not in the mood for it. however, everyone else wants to eat it and so off we go to chinese restaurant. you have three choices -- to whine about it, to force everyone to get on your choice of restaurant or just shrug it and eat something you like in the chinese restauarant. the third option is what many do for our loved ones. we change even when we don't want to for the harmony of the family.

to say that love has no expectations, I would disagree. we all come in with preconceived notions and expectations. that is why we are disappointed when our family, friends or romantic love don't behave the way we want. otherwise, why don't we just accept that they will be exactly as they are and not get offended? that is good in theory but not realistic.

let me give you an example from my life.

I am more practical about certain things and so I gave a birthday gift that a friend gave me to my niece; the bracelet didn't fit and it was just lying there in my cupboard. my friend was super upset with me when she found out. I apologized to her. though she understood my practical side -- it literally didn't fit my hand -- she told me that I should have told her so she could have exchanged it. I didn't want to hurt her and so it just lay in my cupboard for a few years. now I am me and she is she. we know each other for many many years. but we still need to meet somewhere in the middle -- so I told her that next time, I won't give away the gifts and be more sentimental. she also understands that she needs to check in with me if it fits or doesn't. so we both had to meld and change a little but it wasn't by choice. it was because we wanted to keep our childhood friendship good. 🤷

so from my perspective, it is irrelevant if imlie wants to change -- none of us want to change but we do. she needs to meld, acknowledge and grow if she wants to be part of a harmonious family. expecting others to accomodate her and her numerious missions all the time is unrealistic and ultimately one reason why we have a separation arc.

Originally posted by: handlerxsaviour

okay. let’s talk about family members’ thought process then. can you name me the family members who had it in their mind that Imlie is attached to Gudiya because of AKT? please don’t name BM/BD (they aren’t even Aryan’s true family). if you could kindly direct me to one scene where any one of her true family members (aka not BM/BD) expressed doubt over her affections for Gudiya being tied to AKT, i’ll humbly accept it.

Did she ask them is it ok if I wish to bring my step sister's child into our family? Then perhaps Narmada will remind her that step sister's child is also her ex husband's child. It is weird. My point is not whether they think in those lines or not. Perhaps they don't. Perhaps they do.It is just that she should have talked to them.

Everybody doesn't see things the way I do. When I am trying to do something, I reach out to my family members for input on what do they think. It's simple logic.

I as an individual have an idea of how my parents see things. I know what they like and what do they don't. My assessment fails too sometimes. I talk to them, argue with them and make them see my perspective. I get them on board most of the times and sometimes go ahead without their approval.

Or like Sherlock Holmes run all possible scenarios and family expectations in my head and just do a one man show and take them for a ride. I am up for it too provided Imlie shows Sherlock level of genius.

Imlie😍..Aryan uncle can marry some aunty and get lost