Arylie FF: Full circle, Chapter 21, note updated on Pg 94 - Page 60

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Posted: 3 years ago

Death is something that we all have to face in life at some point. That still doesn't make it any easier if you are young or old! I've watched both my parents deal with the death of my grandparents and its heart wrenching. Again, age doesn't make the experience any easier.

I, myself have held both my sons in my arms overnight in the hospital after the doctor's have told me it they might not make it to morning. Those hours both move very slowly and quickly at the same time. Looking at death in the face is something I will never get over. I've been lucky that they both made it through, multiple times.


Malini assessing her life is also heartbreaking. Thinking if she had some things differently, things may have been different. Realizing that her own mother basically used her for revenge on Meethi and Imlie is something that must be so hurtful.


Aryan and Imlie trying to comfort Neel, trying to make him understand is something you have written about so well! The emotions in this story is just overwhelming but beautifully written.


Thanks for the tag as always!

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Posted: 3 years ago

My poor baby Neel 😭❤️

I wanna give him a bear hug 🥺

Also waiting for Malini to find the right person to talk to.

Okay, I need a hot chocolate 😔

Edited by captain_waffle - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: SundariP


It could be a blessing in disguise actually...

we only feel the loss of things we have once had.

taking example of neel here.... he's 5 most people memories start building at this age, he'll remember his mom for a few years...

but in long scheme of life like 10-15-20 years... he might not remember her but only remember imlie masi being there for him always... hence she's his mom regardless the actual relationship

or if and when his dad got remarried and him and step mom are able to build a relationship then her....


don't you think the loss is lesser that way???


I actually don't think the loss is lesser that way. You know the thing is that at least once, you knew that you had the love. Think of it like that : Is it easier to have loved and lost or never loved at all ? I would much prefer to have some memories, something to know that I was loved once and hold on to them, than to not know at all. Umm okay, I don't think I can be subtle with it and the mask of anonymity here is actually making things easier for me so I will just lay it out and hope M doesn't mind that I am hijacking her thread and indulging in personal details. So, Trigger Warning :

I lost my mother when I was less than a year old to suicide. Needless to say, it left a deep psychological impact, and has shaped my whole life. I have a step-mom as well and let's just that she makes Cinderella's step-mother look SO much better. All I feel when I think of my mother are regrets of what it could have been and bitterness that she chose to leave me. While I deeply feel for Neel, but can't help and think that he is lucky to have Imlie, Aryan, Rathore Family and a father who is at least trying to better himself for Neel, to be there. Of course, then again nothing can ever compare to a mother's love. Sometimes it's not just the loss, it's a void of all the things you never had. In case of Neel though, I am hopeful that this void will fill as the days go on, slowly and steadily. For me, I would do anything to have some memories of my mother, but I also know for a fact that I won't have a closure in this lifetime at least. And I haven't made my peace with that, I don't think I ever will. Anyway, I think I TMI'ed a bit 😆

Hope if someone is reading this, it doesn't make you uncomfortable. This story and M's writing has just so deeply resonated with me and also conflicted me a bit, so I couldn't help but put my thoughts out here.


I might be biased though, in some cases it might be turn out to be a blessing in disguise, just my personal experience differs. @SundariP




Edited by CaffeineMuggle - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Ah! I'm so sorry to hear that you've seen loss so closely....

Maybe that's the difference in perspective of people who've actually seen the loss up close like you

And wo haven't known any real loss in life like me.

It changes a lot in you.


Totally understand and respect your perspective.

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Posted: 3 years ago

No, no I understand where you are coming from. And as they say, everything single thing you go through in life is largely subjective because no one sees your perspective from your own eyes and the way we look at things, depends all on our experiences, losses and gains. Maybe for some people, what you have said is true. It could be a classic case of the grass is greener on the other side but yes, it does change a lot in you and especially if in babyhood/childhood, it's how the trauma shapes you.


Respect your opinion as well and thanks for indulging me in this conversation ❤️

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: CaffeineMuggle

No, no I understand where you are coming from. And as they say, everything single thing you go through in life is largely subjective because no one sees your perspective from your own eyes and the way we look at things, depends all on our experiences, losses and gains. Maybe for some people, what you have said is true. It could be a classic case of the grass is greener on the other side but yes, it does change a lot in you and especially if in babyhood/childhood, it's how the trauma shapes you.


Respect your opinion as well and thanks for indulging me in this conversation ❤️

😊

yes its feelings, and feelings are largely subjective.

great to have some deep conversations.

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Posted: 3 years ago

Goshhh..... This was so emotional and heart touching. I feel pitty for malini she is evil and very cunning but she doesn't deserve death like this.

Bechara Neel the questions related to death was so so innocent. He didn't even know the meaning of death but he is going to experience this through his mother☹. Arylie r trying to explain but it's complicated.


Acha tell me ur really gonna make Arpita and aditya together???


Overall it's any emotional roller-coaster.

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Posted: 3 years ago

Ahh!!

Yess!!

Okay okay...ready with a tissue!!

I loved how you wrote the entire journey of malini!From her POV!!We all know that she was just another sweet girl!!

Ohohoh...those pain activities..in between the monologue!!Intricacy ke poore no.

"He doubted there was a single unkind bone in her"-My favourite line as of now!!

Their cricket scene was just so domestic!happy happy vibes!

Bird scene!

Neeel!!! I could just hug him right now!He has seen so much in sucha small span of this life on earth!

M!*heavy throat*

I can't even imagine what ppl go through...and for a sunshine like neel!ahh I feel so sorry for him my heart goes out to him!

All these words cant do justice to the emotions portrayed!But I tried to say what I felt!

Afterall..in the end all we are left is with memories!Neel stay strong tiny soldier!God give their toughest jobs to their bravest ones!you will get through this!❤️🥺


Also jaise jaise we are coming towards the end!! I am feeling more n more connected than ever!M whatever you are trying to show....convey!!all that is happening!Cheers to that!

Edited by Chanchal_tvd - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: CaffeineMuggle

No, no I understand where you are coming from. And as they say, everything single thing you go through in life is largely subjective because no one sees your perspective from your own eyes and the way we look at things, depends all on our experiences, losses and gains. Maybe for some people, what you have said is true. It could be a classic case of the grass is greener on the other side but yes, it does change a lot in you and especially if in babyhood/childhood, it's how the trauma shapes you.


Respect your opinion as well and thanks for indulging me in this conversation ❤️


I read all these responses backwards. So I will do my best to respond to some of your questions here, but I will be happy to chat via PM or if you feel comfortable then by email too.
First off, thank you for sharing, it cannot have been easy to do so and a big virtual hug to you because I can’t give you one in person. I was sort of wondering yesterday after your last PM, but I was busy and could not respond appropriately to it and had left it for the weekend.
It is indeed heartbreaking when you have no real tangible memories to hold on to. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I think as always, as with everything in life, it is about perspective. It is very natural and perfectly normal not to be able to come to peace with not having that love and those memories with your mother. But, what I am going to say will be heavily colored by MY values and beliefs only, so take it as you will. Also, in no way do I mean to minimize your feelings or loss. Please know that, my friend. While I am an avid philosopher, I am also a very real human being with flaws galore, still feeling my way around in the dark.

One of the reasons why I wrote this story was because of my thoughts and beliefs that revolve around the the philosophy of Karma. You and your mother had a karmic debt. I am no expert to tell you what kind and how much. Just as she did to you she also had a similar debt to others around her. Unfortunately, and again I have no knowledge of what circumstances drove her take her own life, but the assumption is a mental anguish so strong, that she could not cope with it. By cutting short her life, her debt remains unpaid. A new cycle of life and death will continue and she will have to repay the debt to you, in another lifetime. They say the best thing you can do for her is to pray for peace and strength. When we say rest Rest in peace we do so, very causally sometimes. But it should not be so. I do wonder though if the best step is to go further and ask for peace and forgive all debts so your loved one is freed from your particular debt. Now, if I was you, I’d say, ummm, no. I want to meet her again, I want to experience that love with her. And that’s fair. It takes lifetimes to arrive at a point of neutrality where you are simply interested in finishing off karmic debts to be liberated from the cycle of life, old age, disease and death.
You may have heard the Hawaiian practice called the ho’oponopono. In its simplest form, it is a prayer of forgiveness and reconciliation, of asking for and giving forgiveness, and for taking full responsibility for our Karmas. Karmas literally mean actions, right? Every action we perform, even me writing this response to you, is karma. My intention behind this karma determines the fruit of the karma, the goal to achieve is zero intent. Impossible one may say, why in the world? Simply because, our intent behind each action determines the consequence to it, or what I call karmic debts towards the person at the receiving end of your action and it’s intent, resulting in a never ending cycle of birth and death. The peace that came to my life when I realized that every so called “wrong” and “hurt” was simply a karmic debt and I was solely responsible for it, is indescribable. I have the power to forgive that debt and finish it. That has empowered me and given me the strength to climb out of my dark hole. Don’t misunderstand me, my friend, it’s a daily struggle and sometimes I try to escape my reality by hiding away in my room and writing, but my consciousness has changed and that is a good enough first step for this lifetime.

I have met people who say, well who cares. I like being born and living a new life again and having purpose, enjoying what I earn and if for that I have a few sorrows to bear then so what, that is life. And to them, I say more power to you.
But there are some like me, who would like to know what is beyond this cycle of life and death, who are no longer willing to go through the rollercoaster of emotions and dualities of life. Who simply want to find eternal peace. The rabbit hole here is, by wishing for eternal peace and acting in that consciousness, are you inheriting karma again 🤔🙂 I will end my sermon here. No one, but you and Pooja will read it. Like I said I am happy to continue this discussion.

lastly, I do not think you are hijacking my thread. My entire purpose was to stimulate these conversations and so, thank you for, 1. Contemplating 2. Sharing your contemplations. ♥️♥️♥️

Edited by mltr16 - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Forgot to tag Pooja. See my response to Lisa, P.

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