Arzoos dilemna : There really shouldn't be any!!!!! - Page 2

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Very well analysed post . Zaki doesn't fit to be arzoo's life partner at all . Neither he is responsible , confident nor a hard working , immature too where as arzoo is totally opposite . By just sugary words and being friendly I don't see zaki knows what arzoo is ?
On the other hand for sahir it's testing water .. It's not just challenge but the truth he wanted to know for himself ... He was overwhelmed to see sincere and innocent love of arzoo and couldn't drag on with the guilt .. So reveals the truth ..like Alvira to
D true love will over come all difficulties and sahir must have thought the same , arzoo will see throught things and accept sahir .
But there is not need like you said that a girl like azoo need to say yes to marry sahir .
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Posted: 10 years ago
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However I beg to differ, Sahir is the insensitive one. Zaki is always criticized by his mother and not trusted by his brother. He is always neglected, yet he hasn't become a vamp like the other ekta kapoor characters, he is humble and down to earth! Why are people refusing to see the bad in Sahir! He is so insensitive, he can cry in front of his mother but is not man enough to apologize to Arzoo?? He wants her to stay but isn't willing to change his actions? Sahir is always harming his way through to Arzoo, he can't always do that! While Zaki on the other hand, his mother, Alvira, didn't trust her own son, while she supported Sahir in hiding the truth from Arzoo, but not Zaki when she said he lived Arzoo, what kind of woman is she?!. Alvira is not innocent! Then in today's episode Sahir arrogantly says she will be mine! I feel that him marrying Arzoo is not out of love, but rather to win against his brother, proving to him that he is the ultimate winner?
As a woman I disagree that Arzoo should marry Sahit at any cost, nor forgive his actions, wait he did not ask for forgiveness either, oops! If Arzoo marries Sahir we are promoting that it's okay if a woman gets lied to, but she can still marry that man!

Nobody is perfect, Zaki has his flaws I agree! But wouldn't anyone want to rush the marriage, is in his place? He wants to ask for her opinion, because time is running out! He has a brother who wants him to get married to Samaira even though Samaira he's not the father of that child! Sahir isn't an angel, we need to stop defending Sahir, he has wronged Arzoo more than anyone!

Something to think about!

Sincerely, Ayesha123
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suvika.

Priya... the problem here is either her alarm bells have died on her or she has become deaf to their ringing. 😆


😆... And ironically that's not the case for Sahir where all her senses are on high alert especially the ones sensing trouble!
With zaki and Alvira she simply isn't going deep or reflecting on their words..
For example.. What Alvira said yesterday was so cryptic.. But Arzoo was so matter of fact and adamant that she would not ask what it meant.. Wasn't she baffled as to why she was being blamed when Alvira should unconditionally apologize from her POV??

Same with Zaki..if she had stopped his sweet talk and persisted with her questioning and doubt she would have come to a point where he would have to admit his role... Or she would have realized he was reluctant to talk about Sahir!

I wonder when those bells will ring!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Love, love, love you for this post 🤗 👏
Very sane and logical analysis - you have made things crystal clear fact by fact!

The characters, especially Arzoo and Zaki, have become too inconsistent now - we can just wait and watch what happens - it is all in the hands of the CVs now to make or break it!

Also, I would like to add that there is a lot of moral-immoral tirade going on in the forum. For me, I started watching the show for the good story telling and characterizations. That is what still holds me to the show and will do as long as it is gripping. I am not here to learn from Sahir, Arzoo or Zaki how to live my life or decide my priorities. I have better sources for that! Morality is subjective and to some extent, art has to conform to it - but only to some extent. As long as they do not approve something heinous or absolutely disagreeable, I am fine with it. Self-mutilation happening at the drop of a hat and the egg allergy fiasco are indeed disagreeable - they shouldn't really show that on tv 👎🏼

Leaving the 'right' and the 'wrong' apart, Sahir is the most interesting character of the show and his angst and passion are driving it. And that is why, I will always be on Sahir's side - (of course, HC's appeal and acting skills add fuel to the fire 😆). He is the good story for me, he is the one I would like to watch, and I would like to watch his journey with Arzoo - as they had promised they would show. Zaki and Arzoo are simply not interesting enough - at least now! I would have enjoyed it rather if they had given a nice track to Zaki and Zara or Myra or anything else - that could have been nicely tied to SaAz's story too but they have chosen the worst option now. I have nothing against Zaki or his character - I am no one to judge - but I do not want him to barge into SaAz's relationship for the simple reason that it is not good story telling as I see it! This is strictly my opinion - anybody is welcome to disagree 😊

Once again, lovely post 👏
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ayesha123

However I beg to differ, Sahir is the insensitive one. Zaki is always criticized by his mother and not trusted by his brother. He is always neglected, yet he hasn't become a vamp like the other ekta kapoor characters, he is humble and down to earth! Why are people refusing to see the bad in Sahir! He is so insensitive, he can cry in front of his mother but is not man enough to apologize to Arzoo?? He wants her to stay but isn't willing to change his actions? Sahir is always harming his way through to Arzoo, he can't always do that! While Zaki on the other hand, his mother, Alvira, didn't trust her own son, while she supported Sahir in hiding the truth from Arzoo, but not Zaki when she said he lived Arzoo, what kind of woman is she?!. Alvira is not innocent! Then in today's episode Sahir arrogantly says she will be mine! I feel that him marrying Arzoo is not out of love, but rather to win against his brother, proving to him that he is the ultimate winner?

As a woman I disagree that Arzoo should marry Sahit at any cost, nor forgive his actions, wait he did not ask for forgiveness either, oops! If Arzoo marries Sahir we are promoting that it's okay if a woman gets lied to, but she can still marry that man!

Nobody is perfect, Zaki has his flaws I agree! But wouldn't anyone want to rush the marriage, is in his place? He wants to ask for her opinion, because time is running out! He has a brother who wants him to get married to Samaira even though Samaira he's not the father of that child! Sahir isn't an angel, we need to stop defending Sahir, he has wronged Arzoo more than anyone!

Something to think about!

Sincerely, Ayesha123



No... Arzoo should not marry Sahir. Ideally she should leave Niyamat house and rebuild her life. I agree.

@red... yes, Zaki has a brother who wants him to get married to Samaira. But that does NOT mean he can go and push Arzoo to marry him, does he? Esp since he KNOWS she loves his brother, has already been betrayed by him, went through a rape attempt and overall feeling confused and hurt.

Sahir is never portrayed as an angel. And neither was Zaki. But out of the blue we are being shown Zaki as one. That is our problem. That sudden change of his status from human to angel. Yes, he has problems. He has slept around with enough women...consensual I agree but still... he should know that his past would one day come and bite him in the butt. If he really loves Arzoo and really is clean minded, then he should silently support her. In all her decisions. Help her when she leaves the house, lend a shoulder as she tried to build a career..be a true friend while he himself grows as a man and a better person. Instead he wants to marry her? And not even giving her time to think about it?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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bang on pri
finally i read an analysis of this track which is not biased in anybody's favour

u just analysed this track in the most tactful manner possible...adressing the pros and cons of everything

u know...i seriously fail to understand y nobody is seeing the evil opportunist in zaki???

a guy who has the mindset of taking advantage of aarzoo wen she is the most vulnerable... he proposed aarzoo...she asked for time to think...what he dos next?...he proposes marriage...and wen she leaves without a reply...he goes to her mom and emotionally blackmails her?

zaki knows arzoo can never refuse nausheen...so he tries the ultimate blackmail weapon...

and here ppl call sahir bad...

thats world i guess!!

there is simply no place for ppl who r outright honest...maybe his ways r not "perfect" but his intentions were always...he can't be sugary sweet like others...but he knows this world...and he knows that what can help aarzoo stand up and face things
had he been seet like others...told her just that he's married and not the full truth of how far he went to break her trust...he would've given aarzoo a false hope to cling on...but he didn't...he loves aarzoo...and wants her love too...but he wants to make sure that before committing to be a part of his life...aarzoo should be well aware of the hardships that come with him...but then...if he's not sugary sweet...he can't be someone who has the right to marry aarzoo

here we have zaki...who can beat the sweetness in sugar candy factory with the sweetness he has in his words...he tells aarzoo the love he has in his heart is enough for both of them...he doesn't expect "a physical" relationship with her...

but isn't he keeping her in an illusion?
how many men we know are oki with the fact that their wives love someone else...and that someone else is staying under the same roof?
we all know...a physical relationship is a necessity of life...no matter how superficial one talks abt it...but its a hard core reality...'
we all know how zaki is...he will definitely sleep aroud with others to meet his needs...but what abt aarzoo?...why should she be deprived of it?

and i don't understand y zaki keeps on enforcing on this "physical relationship" thing???

i seriously want aarzo to see beyond things which r not meeting the eye...zaki is not as saint as he's trying to portray himself...
and sahir is not that bad as he is portraying himself...

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Posted: 10 years ago
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and i loved this...couldn't agree more
On the other hand Sahir gave her confidence ... taught her how talent alone is not enough ... realized her talent and offered her a job despite non sense resignation letter that no boss would tolerate ... guarded her honor many times .. believed her over anam and kurti apa ... on her one message ran to save her (and yes people argue that was the least he could do after breaking her heart but he did, if he was as heartless and bad as he is shown to be he wouldn't bother) ... yet she is made too see all goodness in zaki but she never saw any in Sahir, even before the dhoka thing.


just loving a person is not enough to spend ur life with someone...in reality u need a lot more...2 people become humsafar for life...ur role for each other changes as per the situation ...at times u r lovers...at times the best of friends so that u can confide freely in each other...some moments require ur partner to turn into a parent...to give u the strength and comfort...at times u turn strict...to lead ur partner on the right path...no matter if u end up looking bad...coz as long as ur intentions are for the good of each other...both r just one person to the world...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Priya, what can I say, your posts are always a delight to read ❤️

Yeah I have said this before that I am not so upset with Zaki, but Arzoo really gets my goat. The spunky, lucknow girl is nowhere to be seen, now all we see is a weak, indecisive and confused Arzoo. I have no problems with her having a soft corner for Zaki, but she has taken it a bit too far in my opinion. Her reaction to Zaki's proposal has been terribly disappointing.

Most of us have been in this kinda awkward situations where the guy we consider our friend suddenly turns around and declares his love unexpectedly. The first reaction is disbelief, then the second one, by default, is to avoid the person for sometime as it becomes really awkward to face that person knowing what he feels for you. Its always hard to deal with the changing equation, and it takes time to come to term with that.

But in Arzoo's case, just a few hours later after Zaki's declaration of love to her and wanting to be her Humsafar, she is back in his room, sharing her thoughts with him, as if the previous conversation never happened. She lets him touch her, hold her without any awkwardness, is it any wonder he blurts out his love and marriage proposal to her again? Any guy in his place would think that if she isn't showing a negative reaction to his proposal, it means she is ok with it.

I really don;t understand Arzoo, she is reactive towards Alvira, because she feels that she did her injustice, agreed, she is absolutely right in doing that, but again she does not question Alvira as to why she keeps saying that Sahir is in a lot of pain and needs to heal. She doesn't ask why he needs to get married again when he already has a wife and why Alvira knowing its wrong is still on Sahir's side.

She doesn't shut up Zaki when he is talking to Nausheen, she simply runs away, why? For god's sake he is not a kid who can't handle a rejection. Its Arzoo's silence that has made things worse, if she ticks off Zaki, he will think twice before approaching her, but she is soft peddling him. Pretty stupid on her part actually.

Sorry about the rant, but Arzoo's character has been forced to commit harakiri just to justify Zaki's actions and unfortunately the Cvs have failed to garner any sympathy for him despite that. N the hurried marriage thing is really bugging me, why can;t they simply get engaged if the deal is so important? Is it necessary to show a forced and a hateful marriage which will end up creating more heartaches for both of them?















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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suvika.



No... Arzoo should not marry Sahir. Ideally she should leave Niyamat house and rebuild her life. I agree.

@red... yes, Zaki has a brother who wants him to get married to Samaira. But that does NOT mean he can go and push Arzoo to marry him, does he? Esp since he KNOWS she loves his brother, has already been betrayed by him, went through a rape attempt and overall feeling confused and hurt.

Sahir is never portrayed as an angel. And neither was Zaki. But out of the blue we are being shown Zaki as one. That is our problem. That sudden change of his status from human to angel. Yes, he has problems. He has slept around with enough women...consensual I agree but still... he should know that his past would one day come and bite him in the butt. If he really loves Arzoo and really is clean minded, then he should silently support her. In all her decisions. Help her when she leaves the house, lend a shoulder as she tried to build a career..be a true friend while he himself grows as a man and a better person. Instead he wants to marry her? And not even giving her time to think about it?

I agree with you on that one! It was my fault, I love your posts and I'm staying up to read them when I should have been doing my math😆 I read mindlessly, being ignorant towards the main purpose of your post! Sorry man😊
Edited by Ayesha123 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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very well said Pri... and exactly pointed out the facts..

Arzoo is the least faulty amongst the three of them, and she has to get some sort of individuality before she ends up at judging people.. Her state of heart break and trauma is taken as an advantage of the very man who claims to love her endlessly ? So this is called endless love ? Moreover, not even giving her space to recover or even think about sahir as she is still in confusion that what and why and how is Sahir this cruel and she still loves him ..

Moroever, taking her into confidence and mocking sahir for proposing was heights.. zaki went and mocked sahir that arzoo will say yes, and knowing her condition and how she loves sahir and the heart break is raw, zaki has the audacity to go and say sahir that arzoo will accept his proposal ? This seriously comes off as arzoo is a trophy for him which he is snatching from sahir and being proud off, and its shameful that the same man is being blindly trusted upon by Arzoo who is supposed to disgust the men community, not only because of his disloyala father, but because she had her honour at stake too..

Lastly, what today Sahir did with arzoo, the same thing zaki had done with samaira, infact zaki did worser, sleeping for many years and now exploiting samaira's character and not even taking responsiblity to sort this matter out. Arzoo firstly is a woman, so did she ever realize that she did encourage zaki to move over his supposed girlfriend and somebodyhe slept with just because the girl has forced him to marry her ? Then when Sahir has done less harsher but still much more loyal incidents sahir does not even deserve a second thought from arzoo ?


Sahir atleast had guts to tell it on her face, fake or real, he said whatever arzoo needed to know, because at that point she was not supposed to know about zeenat's full history, but does not arzoo realise that zaki is similarly responsible for numerous lies and hiding the truth from her ?

She respects Alvira like her mother, so when the same mother figure is actually claiming to her that her love is conditional and cannot see beyond the facade , then why does not it provoke arzoo to think once again ? do not we re-think when a respectable figure advices us something ? Yes we do so that our judgement never falls flat, but Arzoo completely dismisses Alvira's advice and instead feels guilty that she cannot break zaki's heart ? and if the friendship is this thin that her NO to the marriage will kill the bond, then does not that prove that indeed she and zakin never trusted each other as friends ?


Till now i supported Arzoo, she was always flawed but being flawed and just runing of values is two different things.. I will be highly, very highly disappointed if she tells yes to zaki for marriage because that will reflect so bad upon her character that just after one day of being dumped by the elder one, she caught the younger one and it just makes her love for sahir look so much artifical ... She should say NO to both the brothers, she is not their toy, trophy and object they want to possess, especially zaki...


Coming back to Sahir, there is a say that a single lie can just create a whole network and eat you up, sahir is in the same condition.. His only weakness here is arzoo, i believe he does not want Arzoo to get another blow by knowing about the factory blast, and thus he has to listen to Rehman.. Moreover, the promise to zeenat has been sole motive of his dead life, he breathed to fulfill the promise only, he worked, he fought, he conquered for that very promise, and it will be too inhumane and illogical of Sahir if he lets go , after facing so many troubles . But what can he do ? Can he force ar zoo to marry himself ? NO, instead he goes out and openly asks her for marrying him, that is still wrong, but now he needs to save it being wrong or right ... I am just happy he isnt lying to her and marrying instead telling her to marry him to be a helping hand for saving saiyyara and the entire property ...
Edited by harshu.sundas - 10 years ago

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