Sushpective: Accused and Convicted - Page 4

Thank you for the promise baaz collage 😊

Originally posted by: Jyo_Veebafan

Sush, that was one brilliant analysis, loved every bit of it! You're a great analyst and the way you express your views with such coherent manner, command in language I really admire that! 👍🏼 Wonderful collages as always, Shweta ⭐️ As a viewer I couldn't much enjoy the accusation happened yesterday to a girl pinpointing her morals, but at the end of the day it's a soap, twists and turns are part @ parcel of soap operas. what we saw on Tuesday of Arzoo getting to know how important this deal is to her Gabbar Chaudhary and Sahir getting to see Zaki and Arzoo's closeness it was all actually a platform for this big upcoming drama, which could probably get SaAz even closer, at the end of the day! Aarzoo's silence could be coz of both Sahir's deal and also give sometime to her good friend Zaki find out the truth. In both the means, she isn't wrong! I know she could've denied it straightaway but that answer will raise as many questions which she and Zaki couldn't possibly answer at the moment considering the big deal and Rehman's hand in it!

I also completely agree with @Redviolet. What she said was perfectly true. Why is it considered more rightful if she was maintaining her silence for Sahir's deal than saving Zaki's reputation. In fact Zaki is the one who always been nice to her from day one. She considers him as her good friend, Sahir has done a lot for her, but his mood swings are well known to all of us. That makes me conclude that Aarzoo isn't wrong in maintaining silence either ways.

Sahir's mental state is again on a toss, he feels to be betrayed by Arzoo as he had a certain trust and admiration on her morality which is in stake now. But Sahir has to remember that even if Arzoo is in love with Zaki there's nothing wrong coz SaAz have so far never hit officially committed to each other. Neither She isn't bound to him nor owes him anything else other than gratitude. So him comparing Arzoo to Zeenat's betrayal is totally unfair.

Lastly, Sahir's pondering is giving me a little hope, will he be able to nail out that Arzoo couldn't have done like having pre marital intercourse, and will he try to get the truth out? As an intelligent business man Sahir has many ways to find this out. But in the end of the day, all that matters is how cvs are gonna play out this story considering their falling TRPs, I guess! 😈

Originally posted by: BHAVII

Lee you here I have to watch the epi now 😃

Seems like we had two beautiful back to back epi Sush.

Yet to watch show even have to catch up on yesterday's episode.

Originally posted by: prettypri

Sush...Hi!

I believe totally in innocent until proven guilty!

And I was brought up in Desi India with very Indian values

😃.

But I also know that it's because of this principle that every person no matter how much evidence is stacked against them.. Is provided or supposed to be provided a trial! Where they need to at least say that they are not guilty of the crime they are being accused of!

Even a lawyer needs something to go on... If the person accused stand silent... He or she would find it difficult to prepare a defense how much ever they may want to! And isn't there something like Silence is considered admission of guilt... Forgive me if there isn't..!..

In my opinion whatever Arzoos reasons... She could have said she isn't pregnant and left it at that... After that it's up to the accuse to believe or not believe.. Indeed the burden of proof would then be on Ka and party! At least saying this much is definitely expected from Arzoo!

Even given her character so far in the show she is not someone who explains things.. She is very very quick to say personal matter and be done with it!

I like to think that I am quite liberal.. But for a woman an attack on her character had to hurt.. That too someone like arzoo who is not from the most modern of societies. Putting that aside... She had an opportunity to shut KA up by denying outright.. What would have happened after that.. Whether ka would have said more.. Is speculation at this point!

And I don't think anyone who mattered actually convicted Arzoo...Sahir was clearly waiting for some indication from her that all of this was nonsense.. Despite all he saw.. Despite all the so called evidence.. That's why I love this character.. His fairness and willingness to see the other side always amazes me... He defended arzoo without a thought the other day from a similar accusation... All it would have needed is a simple No!

I know this will all boil down to sahir feeling guilty and probably saying sorry again because that's how stories go.. Its a feel good thing for soap viewers .. Mostly women.. To see the female lead and her stand getting vindicated.. But in this case I would be surprised at any excessive guilt on the part of sahir! Because he simply cannot be expected to know given the present scenario!

And.. Moreover.. Arzoos stance of its personal means none should really step in to actually defend her without her asking them to.. Given they aren't in a committed relationship it's only fair that he doesn't take that initiative this time!

And whatever be Arzoos reasons her family at least should have been in her mind when she decided to not even deny this.. Conveniently they are not around! However for a girl who spoke her mind and always wanted to do the right thing Arzoo keeping quiet and not even thinking about samaira.. What if she is pregnant...zaki is clearly trying to get out of the situation.. Im only stating based on what I have seen.. That she is pregnant.. And there is a report! So arzoo going this far and preventing zaki also from talking is wierd!

Basically she did what she felt..

And the others present understood what was happening in front of them as it was presented!

I am not naive or idealistic and I only view from the POV of a normal serial viewer... But I find it weird that Arzoos definition of immorality and wrong is different based on the equation she shares with the person... Zaki is a philanderer... Whatever may be the truth she should give this new development one thought.. This fact is not hidden from her yet she accepts it as the truth! I hope she understands and applies the same standards to sahir also when the time comes!

Ultimately.. I really like the character Sahir.. Definitely more good than bad given he is a daily soap hero but these views are not from sahirs POV.. They are from what I felt watching the scene!

Call me a rose coloured fan or black coloured but that won't stop me from raising valid points:

Is Sahir in a relationship with Arzoo that burden of proof is on him? Has she told him he loves him? Last thing she told him was its my personnel life (something for which everyone clapped so much though she mixed professional life with personal) If it were you and me or any other human being having seen all that he has seen what would we be thinking? Specially when the accused stand their without saying a no? And specially when the guy in question has been cheated before in life?

To say KA would create further drama if she said no .. well we didn't see the drama so why assume?

She did it for Zaki? How can she support someone like zaki with a back ground she has? Yes Sumaira may not be pregnant with his child but fact is he does sleep around with people ... he has been sleeping around with her for two years ... he did give her the impression he is interested in her even if he was playing around only ... So how come a girl like arzoo didn't think about another girl's feelings? Zaki kept saying things about a girl he has slept with and she kept listening just because he is a friend so its ok? What happened to her values?

She did it for the deal and Sahir? Shouldn't Sahir be the first one to know that another trouble awaits his deal? And if she can't tell because of the promise she made to Zaki then too her not saying even a no and stopping zaki her through eyes tells what to a random person watching all this?

And defend zaki in all this like really? The standards of morality amaze me ... just because he is friends to arzoo he can be forgiven for everything? People have such high standards of morality when it comes to Sahir ... despite having him lived a life of a loner for 7 years, he can't even crave for care and affection ... and here Zaki a casanova is all fine just because he fell in love with arzoo, so he doesnt need to carry the burden of his past actions any more?

And mind you Sahir hasn't said a word to arzoo or about his character to her yet ... whatever is shown so far is his though process ... even in the last scene yesterday he waited for her to say a no ... a no was all that he needed but she stood there ... eye talking with zaki not denying ... and yes am fine with the "arzoo doesn't own any explanation to anyone" theory ... but then sahir doesn't need to believe or defend her either ... why should he? When she herself said its her life, her personal matter! He has done so much for her, she herself accepted that whatever she is its because of him ... he defended her when he didn't need to ... he over looked her disgusting resignation letter ... he believed her when no one else did and she herself failed to prove anything ... but in current situation he is under no such obligation

As to say innocent until proven guilty ... not denying is guilty ... if she denied and no one believed her yes the theory of innocent until proven would stand but not now when she herself doesn't deny

I know in the end she will be shown as having done the right thing, sahir guilty and yet again saying sorry ... because FL is always oh so right ... but fact remains she is the first defender of her dignity ... if she doesn't want to for whatever twisted reasons, no one else owns her anything

Right here people have been over looking all wrongs arzoo did, sometimes labelling it as her innocence and naiveness and other by saying she is a modern woman! I in my life have not seen such a modern woman to be very honest and frank, being a self made working woman myself i don't see how anyone would survive a job acting the way she does, yet everything she did is justified on one pretext or the other!

Where as Sahir, a guy with a past, wronged by life, already cheated in life by the one he loved is judged on such high standards of morality and righteousness. His every action seen in the context of what it would do to arzoo (who cares what arzoo herself does) how it will make her cry ... what about him? Arzoo knows she loves him yet she didn't once bother thinking how her keeping quiet will affect him? But he who has not even realized his love is expected to understand her, stand up for her, believe her when everything including she herself is confirming the allegation? Sahir is not God ... He is human!!!

Originally posted by: Leesan

Lol, hey Bhavii 🤗 Yep, blame it all on Sush, she has reeled me back in hook line and sinker !!

Except for one small problem, absence of eng subs! So I'm forever scrambling to figure out what's really happening in the show. I miss all the nuances, and so refrain from posting. Do the NA viewers gets eng subs on Sony at all? Anyways will try and catch up with shows on weekend, hopefully I'll be better able to understand everything by then. 😉

Originally posted by: -Sush-

Hi Pri,

Good to talk to you...😊

First of all let me just say that Saahirs character is one of the most reasonable characters that I have seen on desi TV! More recently...the character sketch has been better than in the beginning if the show...when I thought I didn't really know Saahir...even now...parts of his history are not known...but his current thought process is well depicted and well portrayed...so I agree with you on this point...

However, I disagree with you about our understanding of Arzoo's characterization...and justification of her behavior...sure she could have saved her skin by denying it outright...But she knows the matter would not have ended there...There was no way she could explain things...without opening the can of worms on Samaira...which is a delicate matter in every sense...so she decides to not take the bait...right now. I don't find fault in her decision to not speak at the moment.

About the legal process... NO, the law doesn't require the innocent person to testify in their defense...In fact it provides clear protection against such a requirement. And NO silence is NO indication of guilt as a matter of law.

Originally posted by: Soaps1

Call me a rose coloured fan or black coloured but that won't stop me from raising valid points:

Is Sahir in a relationship with Arzoo that burden of proof is on him? Has she told him he loves him? Last thing she told him was its my personnel life (something for which everyone clapped so much though she mixed professional life with personal) If it were you and me or any other human being having seen all that he has seen what would we be thinking? Specially when the accused stand their without saying a no? And specially when the guy in question has been cheated before in life?

To say KA would create further drama if she said no .. well we didn't see the drama so why assume?

She did it for Zaki? How can she support someone like zaki with a back ground she has? Yes Sumaira may not be pregnant with his child but fact is he does sleep around with people ... he has been sleeping around with her for two years ... he did give her the impression he is interested in her even if he was playing around only ... So how come a girl like arzoo didn't think about another girl's feelings? Zaki kept saying things about a girl he has slept with and she kept listening just because he is a friend so its ok? What happened to her values?

She did it for the deal and Sahir? Shouldn't Sahir be the first one to know that another trouble awaits his deal? And if she can't tell because of the promise she made to Zaki then too her not saying even a no and stopping zaki her through eyes tells what to a random person watching all this?

And defend zaki in all this like really? The standards of morality amaze me ... just because he is friends to arzoo he can be forgiven for everything? People have such high standards of morality when it comes to Sahir ... despite having him lived a life of a loner for 7 years, he can't even crave for care and affection ... and here Zaki a casanova is all fine just because he fell in love with arzoo, so he doesnt need to carry the burden of his past actions any more?

And mind you Sahir hasn't said a word to arzoo or about his character to her yet ... whatever is shown so far is his though process ... even in the last scene yesterday he waited for her to say a no ... a no was all that he needed but she stood there ... eye talking with zaki not denying ... and yes am fine with the "arzoo doesn't own any explanation to anyone" theory ... but then sahir doesn't need to believe or defend her either ... why should he? When she herself said its her life, her personal matter! He has done so much for her, she herself accepted that whatever she is its because of him ... he defended her when he didn't need to ... he over looked her disgusting resignation letter ... he believed her when no one else did and she herself failed to prove anything ... but in current situation he is under no such obligation

As to say innocent until proven guilty ... not denying is guilty ... if she denied and no one believed her yes the theory of innocent until proven would stand but not now when she herself doesn't deny

I know in the end she will be shown as having done the right thing, sahir guilty and yet again saying sorry ... because FL is always oh so right ... but fact remains she is the first defender of her dignity ... if she doesn't want to for whatever twisted reasons, no one else owns her anything

Right here people have been over looking all wrongs arzoo did, sometimes labelling it as her innocence and naiveness and other by saying she is a modern woman! I in my life have not seen such a modern woman to be very honest and frank, being a self made working woman myself i don't see how anyone would survive a job acting the way she does, yet everything she did is justified on one pretext or the other!

Where as Sahir, a guy with a past, wronged by life, already cheated in life by the one he loved is judged on such high standards of morality and righteousness. His every action seen in the context of what it would do to arzoo (who cares what arzoo herself does) how it will make her cry ... what about him? Arzoo knows she loves him yet she didn't once bother thinking how her keeping quiet will affect him? But he who has not even realized his love is expected to understand her, stand up for her, believe her when everything including she herself is confirming the allegation? Sahir is not God ... He is human!!!