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Posted: 10 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: -Sush-


Hi Red...glad you posted your thoughts...! I don't know about controversial ...but they are very very valid in my POV...

Here is my view...
I found more issues with Arzoo going to Saahirs room and applying ointment on his back...than she going into Zakis room...to talk to him about a problem he had...while the door was wide open...from a conservative girl point of view...although...I choose to ignore many things...and give them creative liberty...a better director at the time would have shown hesitation...although I think the scenes with Zaaki have been done quite carefully...and I felt no inappropriate touching barring her hand on his heart...which was starting to cross the line...

I think the reason Arzoo kept quiet was because she doesn't know what the truth is...about Samaira and she wants to give Zaki time...,not only Zaki...she wants to give everyone time...Samaira...the deal...everyone else...what's more justified? Morally...I think both helping Zaaki and not jeopardizing Saiyaras deal...shows poise...shows courage...

Zaaki is a flirt...but he is not shown to be a kameena...if you understand what that means...all his playmates have been willing partners...and he has never even looked at Arzoo or her sisters in a lustful manner...He has been a good friend in every sense of the world...if Arzoo has done this ONLY to help him...that is good enough reason by itself...

But this is not to say...Saahir has been any less...despite some initial misunderstanding he too has come through...for the design...in the jungle...in front of KA ...for Sarfaraz...so it would be equally justified if she did it for helping Saiyara get the deal...the truth can be sorted out a day later...it would be prudent...

Yes...Saahir's reaction yesterday was about heartbreak...but he felt cheated ...and fooled if she really was sleeping with Zaki...


Fandom will always see everything with colored glasses...that's why you see a constant pattern...some inherent biases that color people's opinions...the reasons are varied, the feelings are always the same...very few are able to put that behind them...and truly be open...






I did not like that scene one bit! For someone she hardly knew touching his back? I understand he was in pain but Joe was there? She could have told Alvira to call in a male nurse? Gotten him checked putting applying ointment is a bit much when your not married even now if she does it I would feel awkward!

I understand everyone is colored bias! I am too because I have been around people who have influenced me to think a certain way? Who says I am right? There is always a middle path right??
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ultimaterudra


Sush ,

The first desi soap I have followed was IPK ...I was blown away by Barun's portrayal of ASR then followed RR was completely bowled by Ashish ...I am loving Harshad ...Tele industry is blessed to have such talented young men ...I am not a fan of any one actor ...when I see talent I acknowledge, and admire don't see anything wrong in it ...Don't think I am a dhokebaaz do you ?😆


Cant agree for more. 👍🏼
The common point being all love-hate, old school of romance stories 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: -vandy-


no sush😆
atleast i don't...coz aarzoo was given a chance to prove her innocence... but she decided to keep her mouth shut😆


There could be multiple reasons for people to choose not to speak, not be able to defend themselves Vandy...doesn't prove a thing...Things are not always black and white...There is a lot of conflicting interests one has to deal with ...

It is unfair to ask people to PROVE their innocence Vandy...why should the burden be on innocent? Why should the accuser hold the power? History has shown that such flawed presumption leads to exploitation of the innocent...it is just not right...

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Posted: 10 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: Zaya4ever

Excellent post Sush...👏 And wonderful collage by Shwetha..👏


I too agree with you...innocence until proven guilty... we can still expect to see some SaAz moments...Sahir is still in dilemma whether Aarzoo is wrong or what is she hiding..why is she quiet..😲 Hope he find some clue..😊

Both were right at their side..
Aarzoo kept quiet not only because of promise to Zaki but also for Sahir's 7 years dream.. She knows that how imp is the deal for him..She was accused but remain silent.. its not her character being quiet..has some strong reason..
Sahir was also right at his side.. So many incidents happened knowing/unknowingly against Aarzoo which made him to believe something going between Zaki and Aarzoo.. he still wants to know the truth from her..(his eyes were expecting some reply from her when KA and Anam were humiliating her.. at least one Nahi...)

From last few episodes, CV is giving clear hint about Sahir's relationship with Zeenat.. for sure Zeenat betrayed him... back-stabbed him... but I am confused why he still want to fulfill the promise given to her...😔 for that so called promise he said he can sell himself...

HC is truely expression king...👏 his eyes and expressions tells you everything without the dialogue... he look damn hot when he is angry..😳


I am too thinking this pregnancy trap is played by father (rehman) and daughter (Sam).. Last time when Sam's mother told Rehman about Sam wants to marry with Zaki, he said, it will get fulfill.. the way he said that day, it sounded like by hook or crook.. also the way Samaira behaving look all fake..the way she informed her news to Zaki about pregnancy, it looked to me more acting.. and she is so confident that she will be marrying with Zaki.. i mean she hasn't left any choice for him.. 😕


Need some spoiler or sbs..Please CV 😆


The promise given to Zeenat is not to fulfill her wish...it is to PROVE she was wrong about him! He loathes his wife ...if his body language is any indication...

Samaira seems like a total fake, from body language today...worse than Anam...Anam...at least works hard...😃
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ultimaterudra


Sush ,

The first desi soap I have followed was IPK ...I was blown away by Barun's portrayal of ASR then followed RR was completely bowled by Ashish ...I am loving Harshad ...Tele industry is blessed to have such talented young men ...I am not a fan of any one actor ...when I see talent I acknowledge, and admire don't see anything wrong in it ...Don't think I am a dhokebaaz do you ?😆


Ha ha...me thinking you are Dhokhebazz? No way! I just somehow thought you will be like some other die hard fans...Guess I was totally wrong...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: TaanuDeewani

Hi Sush, love your sushpective and Swetha's collages. Your post along with the pictures always imparts a magical quality to the episode.
Today's episode was definitely dramatic. With loads of evidence against Arzoo, sahir couldn't even speak up...although his expressions were conveying desperation to prove her innocence. The last look he gave her had a plead in it...pleading her to tell the truth in order to defend herself.
Arzoo as usual was a promise baaz this time around. Main ek baar jo promise karti hoon tho apne apki bhi nahi sunti 😆
The SaAz scene was great..sahir showing anger, love, frustration and pain..all in quick succession. Poor Arzoo was once again confused.
Regarding Samaira and Zaki...the less said the better 😉
Very curious as to how they are going to ease the tension.


Yeah...I am curious about exactly how they are going to resolve this mess...that SaAz will get married is for sure...but how...they are still keeping the viewers hooked and the surprise element...


Promisebazz...😆
Here is a collage by Shweta...on that...

Promisebazz

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Sush, that was one brilliant analysis, loved every bit of it! You're a great analyst and the way you express your views with such coherent manner, command in language I really admire that! 👍🏼 Wonderful collages as always, Shweta ⭐️ As a viewer I couldn't much enjoy the accusation happened yesterday to a girl pinpointing her morals, but at the end of the day it's a soap, twists and turns are part @ parcel of soap operas. what we saw on Tuesday of Arzoo getting to know how important this deal is to her Gabbar Chaudhary and Sahir getting to see Zaki and Arzoo's closeness it was all actually a platform for this big upcoming drama, which could probably get SaAz even closer, at the end of the day! Aarzoo's silence could be coz of both Sahir's deal and also give sometime to her good friend Zaki find out the truth. In both the means, she isn't wrong! I know she could've denied it straightaway but that answer will raise as many questions which she and Zaki couldn't possibly answer at the moment considering the big deal and Rehman's hand in it!

I also completely agree with @Redviolet. What she said was perfectly true. Why is it considered more rightful if she was maintaining her silence for Sahir's deal than saving Zaki's reputation. In fact Zaki is the one who always been nice to her from day one. She considers him as her good friend, Sahir has done a lot for her, but his mood swings are well known to all of us. That makes me conclude that Aarzoo isn't wrong in maintaining silence either ways.

Sahir's mental state is again on a toss, he feels to be betrayed by Arzoo as he had a certain trust and admiration on her morality which is in stake now. But Sahir has to remember that even if Arzoo is in love with Zaki there's nothing wrong coz SaAz have so far never hit officially committed to each other. Neither She isn't bound to him nor owes him anything else other than gratitude. So him comparing Arzoo to Zeenat's betrayal is totally unfair.

Lastly, Sahir's pondering is giving me a little hope, will he be able to nail out that Arzoo couldn't have done like having pre marital intercourse, and will he try to get the truth out? As an intelligent business man Sahir has many ways to find this out. But in the end of the day, all that matters is how cvs are gonna play out this story considering their falling TRPs, I guess! 😈
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Sush...Hi!
I believe totally in innocent until proven guilty!
And I was brought up in Desi India with very Indian values
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But I also know that it's because of this principle that every person no matter how much evidence is stacked against them.. Is provided or supposed to be provided a trial! Where they need to at least say that they are not guilty of the crime they are being accused of!
Even a lawyer needs something to go on... If the person accused stand silent... He or she would find it difficult to prepare a defense how much ever they may want to! And isn't there something like Silence is considered admission of guilt... Forgive me if there isn't..!..

In my opinion whatever Arzoos reasons... She could have said she isn't pregnant and left it at that... After that it's up to the accuse to believe or not believe.. Indeed the burden of proof would then be on Ka and party! At least saying this much is definitely expected from Arzoo!

Even given her character so far in the show she is not someone who explains things.. She is very very quick to say personal matter and be done with it!

I like to think that I am quite liberal.. But for a woman an attack on her character had to hurt.. That too someone like arzoo who is not from the most modern of societies. Putting that aside... She had an opportunity to shut KA up by denying outright.. What would have happened after that.. Whether ka would have said more.. Is speculation at this point!

And I don't think anyone who mattered actually convicted Arzoo...Sahir was clearly waiting for some indication from her that all of this was nonsense.. Despite all he saw.. Despite all the so called evidence.. That's why I love this character.. His fairness and willingness to see the other side always amazes me... He defended arzoo without a thought the other day from a similar accusation... All it would have needed is a simple No!


I know this will all boil down to sahir feeling guilty and probably saying sorry again because that's how stories go.. Its a feel good thing for soap viewers .. Mostly women.. To see the female lead and her stand getting vindicated.. But in this case I would be surprised at any excessive guilt on the part of sahir! Because he simply cannot be expected to know given the present scenario!

And.. Moreover.. Arzoos stance of its personal means none should really step in to actually defend her without her asking them to.. Given they aren't in a committed relationship it's only fair that he doesn't take that initiative this time!

And whatever be Arzoos reasons her family at least should have been in her mind when she decided to not even deny this.. Conveniently they are not around! However for a girl who spoke her mind and always wanted to do the right thing Arzoo keeping quiet and not even thinking about samaira.. What if she is pregnant...zaki is clearly trying to get out of the situation.. Im only stating based on what I have seen.. That she is pregnant.. And there is a report! So arzoo going this far and preventing zaki also from talking is wierd!

Basically she did what she felt..

And the others present understood what was happening in front of them as it was presented!

I am not naive or idealistic and I only view from the POV of a normal serial viewer... But I find it weird that Arzoos definition of immorality and wrong is different based on the equation she shares with the person... Zaki is a philanderer... Whatever may be the truth she should give this new development one thought.. This fact is not hidden from her yet she accepts it as the truth! I hope she understands and applies the same standards to sahir also when the time comes!

Ultimately.. I really like the character Sahir.. Definitely more good than bad given he is a daily soap hero but these views are not from sahirs POV.. They are from what I felt watching the scene!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shweta... Word of appreciation for the collages... Brilliant as usual..
And I am a fan of your quotes... You know that I guess
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Posted: 10 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: Leesan

Quintessential Sush...I'm loving it! No one can analyse and present a convincing argument quite like you do! 😉 Your powers of persuasion are legendary! 👏


As you know I do have some serious limitations re this show but I do try to follow along , and without Sushpective I'd be totally lost and disinterested. Putting my reservations aside, I have to say the relationship dynamic is quite fascinating at the moment.

Shweta's gorgeous collages and insightful quotes remain a work of art ! 👏

Thanks to you both for your dedication and devotion to the cause! 😉



Lee you here I have to watch the epi now 😃
Seems like we had two beautiful back to back epi Sush.

Yet to watch show even have to catch up on yesterday's episode.

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