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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Green : Ok let me try to give my view on this. First based on the story. There are two questions you have asked regarding Rishi. What if he wanted to move on with somebody else? I think that was never ever the case. It was made ample clear to us by all Rishi , Indira & Shweta. I think this is the perception created in forum , that Rishi's right was curtailed in this case , which is not. Rishi has amply made it clear that he has only loved Indira in life , and the second person he came close (to loving) was Shweta ( see my earlier response to Heema , I have given Example). There will never be third girl ever. This was ample clear to both Shweta & Indira( before leap).
Secondly , what if Rishi wanted to remain alone? This was domain of Indira.I don't know , why you are blaming Shweta for Schiming with Indira. Even before the Entry of Shweta , Indira was looking for Bride of Rishi (she registered in Matrimony). So when Shweta came , Indira just get extra motive , since Shweta already loved Rishi. Had Shweta didn't came into the picture , even then Indira would have married Rishi to any other girl , no matter what.
Now , coming to Indira's motive. Initially she was not thinking in that direction. But when she realized that entire world of Rishi revolves around her. She became frantic at the thought , what would become of Rishi after her. So the only conclusion she came , there should atleast be someone , to look after Rishi. There was nobody else , already Rishi was estranged from his family , and Indira's family is a joke. At that time she decided to marry Rishi. Now your question , Doesn't Rishi as an adult have the right to decide his life? Yes , Every Adult has the Right , I perfectly agree. But I think in some rare cases , these rights need to be in Abeyance for some time. For Ex : If One of my loved one decides to Suicide & remains determined, what should I do? I will do whatever to prevent it , even if that requires calling Police. You may say in this case , he is Adult & has got perfect right to do what he wants to do. But I believe for greater good , his right of choice could be taken away (for a time being).
Indira was similarly frantic at the thought of Rishi becoming a living dead , after she is no more. She correctly anticipated that he will forget to live life & enjoy ( this was akin committing to suicide). So she tried to do , what she can do to prevent Rishi's future condition ( She even tried to negotiate with Simi Diwan) , and getting him married was the result she arrived at.
In this she surely trampled the Rishi's right to self determination , but that was done for his own good.
And Yes Intentions do matter. If we take out intention All Judges who have given capital punishment will look murderers. Without Intentions all will look Black & White.
But neither this world , nor life is Black & white. We need to see the Greys in between.
@Bold : Rishi was not able to grieve for Indira?? But I think he grieved a lot. It was his grief only , which was celebrated & applauded on this forum. And even if this was the case , what prevented Rishi from asking Shweta to leave him?

@Violet :Yes life is unpredictable. But whatever the actions we all do , we take into account the probability of favorable outcome , before embarking on Action.

@Blue :Yes , I will answer this for you. Shweta was not looking for Rishi , and yes , she was settled in life. She had came to Delhi for a trip , and it was Rishi who trampled with his car accidently. After coming into Rishi's life again and coming to know he is Married, she didn't thought of getting him. She was excited for Rishi & eager to meet his wife.But circumstances were different , Indira turns out to be her patient. Even when Indira has left all hopes of living , it was Shweta , who searched for treatment , & tried to make everything fine between Inshi. Now when Indira died , Shweta did Marry to Rishi. Now why she didn't go leaving Rishi alone? I think the reason was Indu. Shweta had developed Motherly feelings for her , after giving birth to her. And leaving her alone ,when there was nobody to look after her would have been heartless. And Yes , when option seemed available , at time of DNA Testing , she was ready to go. And finally she went too. Had there not been the case of Indu , Shweta would have left Rishi a long back.

@Brown : Yes , Rishi did try to make himself happy before coming to SN , but Shweta was completely happy before coming to SN.😆 Anyways , he had more chances even in SN to be happy , which he scattered away.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heema22

Thanks Walden!! You did great!! I loved and in agreement with your response !!

Friend always help each other out in need!!
Aashish. I really want to talk to you about fictional character name Sweeta!! As A woman I have very different veiw points and I like every woman to have self respect !! But this week is very busy .My sister is getting married but we can discussed this in future!! I know you as a RK fan turn Sweta fan overnight so we must discussed this in detail . Take my friend waldens response for now . I read it and I am in agreement and I promise you great discussion in female point of view!!!



Yes , we can have discussion on Shweta anytime.

BTW Give my good wishes to your Sister for her married life.😛
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Walden : Oops I didn't saw your reply on my reply to Heema's thread.

I think in my above response . I have answered all your answers.

Except for two :

1. Indu seems to be fine after Shweta is gone. Shweta left only when she was convinced there was Zara , who could be mother to Indu. Earlier also she agreed to leave if DNA Reports confirm Zara is Indira.
There is no way Shweta would have left Indu , without any security that Indu would be reared properly.

And Indu seems to be fine after Shweta is gone , because of Indira(LW)'s arrival. She is too happy on her arrival. Had there would have been nobody ( Indira or Zara) , Indu would have definitely faced a big void in her life.

And Shweta was a definitely a good mother. No question on this. Even Shweta haters agree on this.

2. Why Shweta didn't declined the marriage. Do you really believe Indira would have agreed to any of Shweta's promises??? She wouldn't have. She would have started search for another girl , right then, and would have married Rishi before her death , no matter what.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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hmm I dont know what happened to this show? The plot was so good at the beginning, after they showed indira's brother so evil I stopped watching this show it wasn't making any sense to me... Everyone was so out of character. But I gotta admit one thing rishis character was always weak, and from what I heard he did to shwetA I would have never forgiven him. She wasted 8 years of her life and raised indu, he didn't even took any responsibility of his daughter and still had no respect for shweat ... That's pretty insulting rishi! I was really disappointed when i read about this. The whole plot of this show was showing women strong and shweta zaraas character is so weak, just to get a little approval of love from rishi, they would go kill someone or waste their whole life.. i am sorry but no body is worth that much.CVs are really showing women as despos who have no self respect.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashish.sachi


@Green : Ok let me try to give my view on this. First based on the story. There are two questions you have asked regarding Rishi. What if he wanted to move on with somebody else? I think that was never ever the case. It was made ample clear to us by all Rishi , Indira & Shweta. I think this is the perception created in forum , that Rishi's right was curtailed in this case , which is not. Rishi has amply made it clear that he has only loved Indira in life So you agree with me then that he was always clear to Shweta that he loved Indira and never falsely misled her and the second person he came close (to loving) was Shweta ..I absolutely disagree...coming close to loving...I don't even know what that means...either you love someone in a life partner/lover sort of a way or you don't( see my earlier response to Heema , I have given Example). There will never be third girl ever. This was ample clear to both Shweta & Indira( before leap). Again, this is what Indira and Shweta ASSUMED...yes at that instant, Rishi could never think of anyone else..but what made them so sure that he would never move on again?? But if we assume what you're saying is correct, then you are just supporting my original argument...Shweta clearly knew how much Rishi loved Indira and so by forcing herself upon him...she took a big big risk. If they could figure out that Rishi would never move on with a 3rd girl, maybe they should have been smart enough to figure out that he wouldn't move on with Shweta either. I guess thats just their stupidity and shweta paid for it. Don't blame rishi.
Secondly , what if Rishi wanted to remain alone? This was domain of Indira I disagree...when shweta forced herself upon Rishi..she took that decision away from him! She could have said no to this forceful marriage. I don't care about what Indira would have done...because if Shweta would have said no, we wouldn't be here criticizin her now would we? I don't know , why you are blaming Shweta for Schiming with Indira. Even before the Entry of Shweta , Indira was looking for Bride of Rishi (she registered in Matrimony). So when Shweta came , Indira just get extra motive , since Shweta already loved Rishi. Had Shweta didn't came into the picture , even then Indira would have married Rishi to any other girl , no matter what. Again, now you are just diverting the blame. I don't care what Indira would have done...we're talking about Shweta here!! Shweta's choice has nothing to do with Indira! And yes Shweta did scheme with Indira because she became a willing party to this whole blackmailing business.
Now , coming to Indira's motive. Initially she was not thinking in that direction. But when she realized that entire world of Rishi revolves around her. Well Indira always thought she was the center of the universe..so nothing new there! She became frantic at the thought , what would become of Rishi after her. So the only conclusion she came , there should atleast be someone , to look after Rishi. There was nobody else , already Rishi was estranged from his family , and Indira's family is a joke. At that time she decided to marry Rishi. Now your question , Doesn't Rishi as an adult have the right to decide his life? Yes , Every Adult has the Right , I perfectly agree. But I think in some rare cases , these rights need to be in Abeyance for some time. For Ex : If One of my loved one decides to Suicide & remains determined, what should I do? Suicide really? thats you analogy...suicide is illegal so yes you should call the police...I don't see how this analogy even comes close to the Rishi situation!!! I will do whatever to prevent it , even if that requires calling Police. You may say in this case , he is Adult & has got perfect right to do what he wants to do. But I believe for greater good , his right of choice could be taken away (for a time being). I completely disagree...how can you compare suicide to Rishi's case??? I mean if this is the best you can come up with, then I'll just rest my case. And the greaer good is a bunch of b.s...made up by people who want to force their way of life, their decisions, and their worldview on others!!!
Indira was similarly frantic at the thought of Rishi becoming a living dead , after she is no more. She correctly anticipated that he will forget to live life & enjoy ( this was akin committing to suicide). So she tried to do , what she can do to prevent Rishi's future condition ( She even tried to negotiate with Simi Diwan) , and getting him married was the result she arrived at.
In this she surely trampled the Rishi's right to self determination , but that was done for his own good.Again, you are completely missing the point!!! Indira, nor Shweta, has any right to determine what is good for Rishi and force their stupid crap decisions on him!!! I don't care what their stupid intentions were...they were both wrong!!!
And Yes Intentions do matter. If we take out intention All Judges who have given capital punishment will look murderers. Without Intentions all will look Black & White.
But neither this world , nor life is Black & white. We need to see the Greys in between. So why don't you see the gray from Rishi's perspective and why he couldn't accept Shweta...his intentions were'nt bad...what would he get out of rejecting shweta?
@Bold : Rishi was not able to grieve for Indira?? But I think he grieved a lot. It was his grief only , which was celebrated & applauded on this forum. And even if this was the case , what prevented Rishi from asking Shweta to leave him? No he did not grieve for Indira...he became depressed (major depression)...If Shweta had been half a doctor, she would have realized that and gotten him some treatment!!!

@Violet :Yes life is unpredictable. But whatever the actions we all do , we take into account the probability of favorable outcome , before embarking on Action. Yes but the important point here is that we make that CHOICE...Shweta and Indira both got to decide (shweta deciding to marry rishi and Indira deciding to refuse bt treatment)...why was this CHOICE taken away from Rishi?? And since he didn't make the CHOICE, why BLAME HIM???

@Blue :Yes , I will answer this for you. Shweta was not looking for Rishi , and yes , she was settled in life. She had came to Delhi for a trip , and it was Rishi who trampled with his car accidently. After coming into Rishi's life again and coming to know he is Married, she didn't thought of getting him. She was excited for Rishi & eager to meet his wife.But circumstances were different , Indira turns out to be her patient. Even when Indira has left all hopes of living , it was Shweta , who searched for treatment , & tried to make everything fine between Inshi. Now when Indira died , Shweta did Marry to Rishi. Now why she didn't go leaving Rishi alone? I think the reason was Indu. Shweta had developed Motherly feelings for her , after giving birth to her. And leaving her alone ,when there was nobody to look after her would have been heartless. And Yes , when option seemed available , at time of DNA Testing , she was ready to go. And finally she went too. Had there not been the case of Indu , Shweta would have left Rishi a long back.

@Brown : Yes , Rishi did try to make himself happy before coming to SN , but Shweta was completely happy before coming to SN.😆 Anyways , he had more chances even in SN to be happy , which he scattered away.

So you seem to think that its perfectly okay for these women to scheme and blackmail Rishi into doing something he did not want to do...I absolutely disagree with this because I believe in individual choice (does not matter if it is a life or death decision...I absolutely and completely believe in individual choice). Maybe you want to live in a universe where your mom, dad, siblings, wives decide your fate...I don't. As long as I have a fully functioning brain, I want to be give the right to make my own choice...even if means refusing life-saving treatment for BT. Because only when I make my own choices can I be held responsible for those choices not working out. If you want to live in a society where people force their decisions on others, then please stop blaming the people who have had no choice in the matter!!
But let's assume for a minute that you are right...so if Shweta and Indira made the decision for Rishi (and he didn't have any say in it)...WHY are you blaming him for the marriage not working out??? An individual can only be blamed for the choices they make...in this case Rishi did not make the choice!!!
I mean you're doing completely the opposite here...Shweta gets to DECIDE for herself how she wants to move on in life (by marrying Rishi) and then in your eyes, she is not even responsbile for this CHOICE not working out in her favor... On the other hand, Rishi who does NOT GET TO DECIDE how he's going to live his life (alone, with shweta, or with another woman) GETS BLAMED for not even making this choice???? Completely inconsistent if you ask me!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Walden


In the interest of time, lets forget the Shweta being a good mother discussion- fine she was a great mother. But let me reply to the 2nd part. I didn't ask you what Indira would have done. I asked you why Shweta did not refuse the marriage and say that she will wait for Rishi and they will marry when he is ready...and you haven't answered this question... so Im waiting...


I really don't see the context of this question. Are u asking why not Shweta refused marriage altogether , or marriage at that particular time.

For first question answer is : Shweta considered if Rishi is gonna marry anyway , there is no harm in her marrying him , instead of some totally unknown new girl.

Coming to Second question : If I recap the instances which happened at that time :

  1. When Indira asked Rishi firstly , Rishi slapped him. And this news travelled to Shweta. Shweta scolded Indira for this. Her Exact words were " Tumne Socha bhi kaise ki main aur Ricky Shaadi karenge". At this Indira said , If I am no more , will not you be perfect life partner for Rishi. At this Shweta nodded Yes. ( There was never at this point question of marrying Rishi in a huff).
  2. Indira raised point , that she want to see Rishi married to Shweta , before taking any medication after Mandira Marriage. At that time too Shweta said " Indira meri Baat Suno , itni jaldibaaji mat karo". At this Indira said , tum dono ko shaadi karni hi padegi. At this Rishi got ready to marry.
  3. Next day , when Rishi sat for Haldi ceremony , even then Shweta arrived there and said to stop proceedings. But Indira appeared suddenly & said you go & get ready. To this Shweta said " Yeh theek nahin ho raha , tum meri baat suno" ( she was trying to tell about Pregnancy of Indira to everybody which would have stopped marriage anyway)
So , it is amply clear , Shweta said at least thrice No to this Marriage ( in huff).
She eventually got Ready only after threat of Indira & when Rishi was already ready & in Mandap.

Also when that marriage remained incompleted , due to Indira's unconciousness , Shweta didn't reacted at all .

I don't understand , your continuous harping on fact that Shweta did said yes to Marriage to Indira ,when it is amply clear that Rishi & Shweta did get legally married after Indira's death ( since Shweta did give legal divorce to Rishi later).




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Posted: 12 years ago
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"Shweta was not looking for Rishi , and yes , she was settled in life. She had came to Delhi for a trip , and it was Rishi who trampled with his car accidently. After coming into Rishi's life again and coming to know he is Married, she didn't thought of getting him. She was excited for Rishi & eager to meet his wife.But circumstances were different , Indira turns out to be her patient. Even when Indira has left all hopes of living , it was Shweta , who searched for treatment , & tried to make everything fine between Inshi."
I agree with everything you said here...I actually really liked Shweta's character when she was introduced- she seemed to be good at heart and have a brain on her head. Unlike Indira, she didn't seem like the kind who thought that she was the only one in this world who had any morals or brains and therefore had some god given right to control other people's lives for them. But according to me the cv's butchered her character completely when they showed her agreeing to this blackmail marriage to Rishi.. .According to me, her character was ruined for the one and only Indira Sharma...just like every other character in this show is. I also think that post leap, Rishi and Shweta's relationship was butchered just to highlight Indira's importance in SN. There is no reason why Rishi and Shweta could not have been on friendly terms (even if not romantic) and raised Indu together. There is no reason why Shweta had to hide Indira's identity from Indu. But then there would be no reason to wait for Indira to come back and fix everything in everyone's lives. Basically, they wanted to show that unless Indira is there to enforce her will 😕, people are incapable of living fulfilling lives and will self-destruct. Neither Shweta, nor Rishi behaved according to what their original characters were like...because if they were happy, why would we need Indira then?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Walden : I think let's stop here.

I can give answers to all of your fresh points raised again.

But I don't seem it is going anywhere.

Let's Agree to Disagree.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashish.sachi


I really don't see the context of this question. Are u asking why not Shweta refused marriage altogether , or marriage at that particular time.

For first question answer is : Shweta considered if Rishi is gonna marry anyway , there is no harm in her marrying him , instead of some totally unknown new girl.

Coming to Second question : If I recap the instances which happened at that time :

  1. When Indira asked Rishi firstly , Rishi slapped him. And this news travelled to Shweta. Shweta scolded Indira for this. Her Exact words were " Tumne Socha bhi kaise ki main aur Ricky Shaadi karenge". At this Indira said , If I am no more , will not you be perfect life partner for Rishi. At this Shweta nodded Yes. ( There was never at this point question of marrying Rishi in a huff).
  2. Indira raised point , that she want to see Rishi married to Shweta , before taking any medication after Mandira Marriage. At that time too Shweta said " Indira meri Baat Suno , itni jaldibaaji mat karo". At this Indira said , tum dono ko shaadi karni hi padegi. At this Rishi got ready to marry.
  3. Next day , when Rishi sat for Haldi ceremony , even then Shweta arrived there and said to stop proceedings. But Indira appeared suddenly & said you go & get ready. To this Shweta said " Yeh theek nahin ho raha , tum meri baat suno" ( she was trying to tell about Pregnancy of Indira to everybody which would have stopped marriage anyway)
So , it is amply clear , Shweta said at least thrice No to this Marriage ( in huff).
She eventually got Ready only after threat of Indira & when Rishi was already ready & in Mandap.

Also when that marriage remained incompleted , due to Indira's unconciousness , Shweta didn't reacted at all .

I don't understand , your continuous harping on fact that Shweta did said yes to Marriage to Indira ,when it is amply clear that Rishi & Shweta did get legally married after Indira's death ( since Shweta did give legal divorce to Rishi later).




About the 1st question, no, I don't care about the later marriage...because Shweta's character was already ruined in my mind (and in Rishi's mind) when she said yes to the first marriage. It showed how selfish and inconsiderate of Rishi she could be. Regarding your answer..."Shweta considered if Rishi is gonna marry anyway , there is no harm in her marrying him , instead of some totally unknown new girl."..is this the best you can come up with...
Shweta's thought, arey this guy is going to be crapped on and trampled on anyway, let me just be the one who does it??? Wow, really respectable thoughts from Shweta!!! "There is no harm in her marrying him"??? yeah now that I have been given the opportunity, let me be as selfish as I can be...who cares about the other person and their feelings??? Shweta must have thought very highly of herself...hey who can be better than me for Rishi...and look his dying wife is saying the same thing...who cares about Rishi and what he thinks...I have decided that I am the best for Rishi and I will force myself upon him...and then whey things don't work out, I will sti and cry and whine for the rest of my life!!!
About the 2nd question...why was Shweta so helpless...had Indira tied her down or held a gun to her head...what prevented her from walking away??? Your actions should support your words and here Shweta's actions were completely opposite of what she was saying and actions speak louder than words. The point is that she stood in that madap of her own free will and forced this marriage on Rishi. No one held a gun to her head..no one tied her feet down.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashish.sachi

@Walden : I think let's stop here.


I can give answers to all of your fresh points raised again.

But I don't seem it is going anywhere.

Let's Agree to Disagree.


That's fine by me but I really would like to say one thing. I find it extemely extremely appalling that you find absolutely nothing wrong in these women deciding that it is completely okay for them to make choices for another adult who has a fully functioning brain and can decide for himself. I'm sorry but this just amazes me!!! Whatever happened to individual choice and free will??? Why did god even give each of us a brain?? Yes family and friends can advice and give their input...but emotionally blackmailing someone to do what they think is right??? You really see nothing wrong with this!!! I'm sorry but this just baffles me 😕
And if you don't see anything wrong with people deciding for others, then you can't blame the people who had no choice in the matter for things not working out!!! You can't have it both ways!!

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