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Friend always help each other out in need!!Aashish. I really want to talk to you about fictional character name Sweeta!! As A woman I have very different veiw points and I like every woman to have self respect !! But this week is very busy .My sister is getting married but we can discussed this in future!! I know you as a RK fan turn Sweta fan overnight so we must discussed this in detail . Take my friend waldens response for now . I read it and I am in agreement and I promise you great discussion in female point of view!!!
Originally posted by: ashish.sachi
@Green : Ok let me try to give my view on this. First based on the story. There are two questions you have asked regarding Rishi. What if he wanted to move on with somebody else? I think that was never ever the case. It was made ample clear to us by all Rishi , Indira & Shweta. I think this is the perception created in forum , that Rishi's right was curtailed in this case , which is not. Rishi has amply made it clear that he has only loved Indira in life So you agree with me then that he was always clear to Shweta that he loved Indira and never falsely misled her and the second person he came close (to loving) was Shweta ..I absolutely disagree...coming close to loving...I don't even know what that means...either you love someone in a life partner/lover sort of a way or you don't( see my earlier response to Heema , I have given Example). There will never be third girl ever. This was ample clear to both Shweta & Indira( before leap). Again, this is what Indira and Shweta ASSUMED...yes at that instant, Rishi could never think of anyone else..but what made them so sure that he would never move on again?? But if we assume what you're saying is correct, then you are just supporting my original argument...Shweta clearly knew how much Rishi loved Indira and so by forcing herself upon him...she took a big big risk. If they could figure out that Rishi would never move on with a 3rd girl, maybe they should have been smart enough to figure out that he wouldn't move on with Shweta either. I guess thats just their stupidity and shweta paid for it. Don't blame rishi.Secondly , what if Rishi wanted to remain alone? This was domain of Indira I disagree...when shweta forced herself upon Rishi..she took that decision away from him! She could have said no to this forceful marriage. I don't care about what Indira would have done...because if Shweta would have said no, we wouldn't be here criticizin her now would we? I don't know , why you are blaming Shweta for Schiming with Indira. Even before the Entry of Shweta , Indira was looking for Bride of Rishi (she registered in Matrimony). So when Shweta came , Indira just get extra motive , since Shweta already loved Rishi. Had Shweta didn't came into the picture , even then Indira would have married Rishi to any other girl , no matter what. Again, now you are just diverting the blame. I don't care what Indira would have done...we're talking about Shweta here!! Shweta's choice has nothing to do with Indira! And yes Shweta did scheme with Indira because she became a willing party to this whole blackmailing business.Now , coming to Indira's motive. Initially she was not thinking in that direction. But when she realized that entire world of Rishi revolves around her. Well Indira always thought she was the center of the universe..so nothing new there! She became frantic at the thought , what would become of Rishi after her. So the only conclusion she came , there should atleast be someone , to look after Rishi. There was nobody else , already Rishi was estranged from his family , and Indira's family is a joke. At that time she decided to marry Rishi. Now your question , Doesn't Rishi as an adult have the right to decide his life? Yes , Every Adult has the Right , I perfectly agree. But I think in some rare cases , these rights need to be in Abeyance for some time. For Ex : If One of my loved one decides to Suicide & remains determined, what should I do? Suicide really? thats you analogy...suicide is illegal so yes you should call the police...I don't see how this analogy even comes close to the Rishi situation!!! I will do whatever to prevent it , even if that requires calling Police. You may say in this case , he is Adult & has got perfect right to do what he wants to do. But I believe for greater good , his right of choice could be taken away (for a time being). I completely disagree...how can you compare suicide to Rishi's case??? I mean if this is the best you can come up with, then I'll just rest my case. And the greaer good is a bunch of b.s...made up by people who want to force their way of life, their decisions, and their worldview on others!!!Indira was similarly frantic at the thought of Rishi becoming a living dead , after she is no more. She correctly anticipated that he will forget to live life & enjoy ( this was akin committing to suicide). So she tried to do , what she can do to prevent Rishi's future condition ( She even tried to negotiate with Simi Diwan) , and getting him married was the result she arrived at.In this she surely trampled the Rishi's right to self determination , but that was done for his own good.Again, you are completely missing the point!!! Indira, nor Shweta, has any right to determine what is good for Rishi and force their stupid crap decisions on him!!! I don't care what their stupid intentions were...they were both wrong!!!And Yes Intentions do matter. If we take out intention All Judges who have given capital punishment will look murderers. Without Intentions all will look Black & White.But neither this world , nor life is Black & white. We need to see the Greys in between. So why don't you see the gray from Rishi's perspective and why he couldn't accept Shweta...his intentions were'nt bad...what would he get out of rejecting shweta?
@Bold : Rishi was not able to grieve for Indira?? But I think he grieved a lot. It was his grief only , which was celebrated & applauded on this forum. And even if this was the case , what prevented Rishi from asking Shweta to leave him? No he did not grieve for Indira...he became depressed (major depression)...If Shweta had been half a doctor, she would have realized that and gotten him some treatment!!!@Violet :Yes life is unpredictable. But whatever the actions we all do , we take into account the probability of favorable outcome , before embarking on Action. Yes but the important point here is that we make that CHOICE...Shweta and Indira both got to decide (shweta deciding to marry rishi and Indira deciding to refuse bt treatment)...why was this CHOICE taken away from Rishi?? And since he didn't make the CHOICE, why BLAME HIM???@Blue :Yes , I will answer this for you. Shweta was not looking for Rishi , and yes , she was settled in life. She had came to Delhi for a trip , and it was Rishi who trampled with his car accidently. After coming into Rishi's life again and coming to know he is Married, she didn't thought of getting him. She was excited for Rishi & eager to meet his wife.But circumstances were different , Indira turns out to be her patient. Even when Indira has left all hopes of living , it was Shweta , who searched for treatment , & tried to make everything fine between Inshi. Now when Indira died , Shweta did Marry to Rishi. Now why she didn't go leaving Rishi alone? I think the reason was Indu. Shweta had developed Motherly feelings for her , after giving birth to her. And leaving her alone ,when there was nobody to look after her would have been heartless. And Yes , when option seemed available , at time of DNA Testing , she was ready to go. And finally she went too. Had there not been the case of Indu , Shweta would have left Rishi a long back.@Brown : Yes , Rishi did try to make himself happy before coming to SN , but Shweta was completely happy before coming to SN.😆 Anyways , he had more chances even in SN to be happy , which he scattered away.
In the interest of time, lets forget the Shweta being a good mother discussion- fine she was a great mother. But let me reply to the 2nd part. I didn't ask you what Indira would have done. I asked you why Shweta did not refuse the marriage and say that she will wait for Rishi and they will marry when he is ready...and you haven't answered this question... so Im waiting...
Originally posted by: ashish.sachi
I really don't see the context of this question. Are u asking why not Shweta refused marriage altogether , or marriage at that particular time.For first question answer is : Shweta considered if Rishi is gonna marry anyway , there is no harm in her marrying him , instead of some totally unknown new girl.Coming to Second question : If I recap the instances which happened at that time :
- When Indira asked Rishi firstly , Rishi slapped him. And this news travelled to Shweta. Shweta scolded Indira for this. Her Exact words were " Tumne Socha bhi kaise ki main aur Ricky Shaadi karenge". At this Indira said , If I am no more , will not you be perfect life partner for Rishi. At this Shweta nodded Yes. ( There was never at this point question of marrying Rishi in a huff).
- Indira raised point , that she want to see Rishi married to Shweta , before taking any medication after Mandira Marriage. At that time too Shweta said " Indira meri Baat Suno , itni jaldibaaji mat karo". At this Indira said , tum dono ko shaadi karni hi padegi. At this Rishi got ready to marry.
- Next day , when Rishi sat for Haldi ceremony , even then Shweta arrived there and said to stop proceedings. But Indira appeared suddenly & said you go & get ready. To this Shweta said " Yeh theek nahin ho raha , tum meri baat suno" ( she was trying to tell about Pregnancy of Indira to everybody which would have stopped marriage anyway)
So , it is amply clear , Shweta said at least thrice No to this Marriage ( in huff).She eventually got Ready only after threat of Indira & when Rishi was already ready & in Mandap.Also when that marriage remained incompleted , due to Indira's unconciousness , Shweta didn't reacted at all .I don't understand , your continuous harping on fact that Shweta did said yes to Marriage to Indira ,when it is amply clear that Rishi & Shweta did get legally married after Indira's death ( since Shweta did give legal divorce to Rishi later).
Originally posted by: ashish.sachi
@Walden : I think let's stop here.
I can give answers to all of your fresh points raised again.But I don't seem it is going anywhere.Let's Agree to Disagree.