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Posted: 13 years ago
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Who is Rishis support system? Well, no one. and thats the painful truth. even though he is friendly & outgoing i feel he is still a loner. his deepest emotions & feelings are hidden beneath layers & layers of laughter & smiles. but i feel rishi is not to be pitied for it. his loneliness, his bad experiences havent made him bitter, they have made him wiser! he has learnt to live each moment to the fullest. inspite of a painful childhood or rather bcoz of it he has evolved into a practical individual. n i respect him for this immensely.

it wud be good to see indira supporting him in his time of need, but even if she doesnt he will manage! if a small boy can manage w/o his parents, guess a grown up rishi will surely survive...wid his heart & hopes intact or shattered is a different matter! 😊

About the episode: i will w8 till monday/ tuesday...den depending on what is real & what is a dream i do have certain questions for rishi / indira 😆
Edited by iolahardy - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -RaSu-



But keeping India's pov in mind, I think no one understands her charter because she is more complicated and her way of expressing love is not as straightforward as rishi. Both characters have one through a lot & express themselves differently, she put a wall up in fear of getting hurt and he makes himself completely vulnerable and open to receive love. They both put others before themself and are selfless and good at heart.


Also I don't think we can judge if it's a dream or if Rishi is actually with her, dreaming together.
That well find out in Monday. Regardless I don't think understand what's wrong with her dreaming of their future.. it was evident from thursday's episode that she was concerned for Rishi & wanted to talk to him. I don't think she only wants to get back together b/c of her family being all well, I think she finally has sorted out the misunderstandings/incidents and is realizing sub/consciously how much rishi means to her. He has a permanent place in her heart and even in earlier episodes we could tell how much the separation killed her on the inside, and how much she still cared for him. She just tried her best to hide it but it showed through expressions and even some actions.

Lastly, concerning the name change. Sorry but I think thats sexist. Are you saying its ok for a woman to change her last name but if a man changes his, then he's losing his identity?! I think it was actually really very sweet. I personally was like wow any girl would melt at those words! I guess it was kinda funny too.

And I think both need therapy. They have been through a lot since their childhood, and meeting with a psychologist would really help them! Talking to a professional is something pretty much everyone could use and I think it's normal and would only be of benefit :)



Hi RaSu

re red portion: We all know she is a complex character scarred by her father's betrayal. She loves Rishi, but is scared. It is because we understand and dare I say love her, that we are pained by her flaws.

We (as in generic "we") acknowledge or introspect on help that even our worst enemy provides at our time of need. Indira has had no trouble acknowledging Inder's help, once at the police station, and then during her victory lap. But she said nary a word about the price Rishi paid for his help. No acknowledgement, no thanks. If it was not all a dream on friday, tehn when she first saw Rishi in the Barsati, her first words should have been of thanks and acknowledgement of the price he paid. Instead it was all about her, that she has deigned to forgive him, "kitna bara ehsaan kiya hai us par mauf kar ke"

And I don't mean to say she does not see his pain. She was pained when Rishi touched the ground his mother stood on as a substitute for her blessings. But all these tiny pains get swept away in the tsunami that is her family and the emotional hold they have on her. She soon reverts back to seeing the world thru her lenses, her struggles to support them etc





re green part: Ofcourse she loves him. She was desirous of speaking with him on thursday to tell him she has forgiven him. that was the predominant theme.

Predominant theme was not that she saw his wounds, and wants to heal them.

See, todate, her perspective is still "me, my family", not "him"

when we truly love, we want the best for the other person, no sacrifice is too big if it will bring a smile to our lover's face, will easen his/her's burden even for a second.

Rishi, has by and large, demonstrated it. Indira has not. Even when she expresses her love, it is in context of "her" and "her family" needs.
It is like Rishi is expected to be in perpetuatal atonement mode, forever sacrificing his needs, his self respect to pay for his guilt as well as pay for his love for Indira
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: iolahardy

Who is Rishis support system? Well, no one. and thats the painful truth. even though he is friendly & outgoing i feel he is still a loner. his deepest emotions & feelings are hidden beneath layers & layers of laughter & smiles. but i feel rishi is not to be pitied for it. his loneliness, his bad experiences havent made him bitter, they have made him wiser! he has learnt to live each moment to the fullest. inspite of a painful childhood or rather bcoz of it he has evolved into a practical individual. n i respect him for this immensely.

it wud be good to see indira supporting him in his time of need, but even if she doesnt he will manage! if a small boy can manage w/o his parents, guess a grown up rishi will surely survive...wid his heart & hopes intact or shattered is a different matter! 😊

About the episode: i will w8 till monday/ tuesday...den depending on what is real & what is a dream i do have certain questions for rishi / indira 😆


In Bold :Just Awesomely said👏

In Red : I think Shruti , it is reality.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: np18

well, im not surprised at the post but im surprised its urs @jjkg.

till we know whether friday was rishi or indira s dream, it would be pointless to think further but its always surprises me to see posts made on rishi s lack of ego as lack of self respect, his gentleness with everyone esp indira as a lapdog behavior as being kicked around etc.,

as for his support system- everyone needs one but he s so strong and honest that he will do even without any. and yes indira s accepting him wholeheartedly or half heartedly will be enough for him.




Why are you surprised it is my post, np18?😉

I don't know, but on thursday, I felt Rishi's pain viscerally. I felt he had made a mental and emotional leap on a growth curve, during the rape trial. From a boy, he became a man. His last scene with Vidith was poignant.

I really kept expecting someone to acknowledge his costs.

And I desperately wanted that person to be Indira. All the talk of forgiveness, love and reconciliation could wait. The need of the moment was a gesture, spoken or otherwise, to acknowledge and soothe his raw wound.

No one did that, but a reporter. Should we not feel shame at this?


Edited by jjkg - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: jjkg



Why are you surprised it is my post, np18?😉

I don't know, but on thursday, I felt Rishi's pain viscerally. I felt he had made a mental and emotional leap on a growth curve, during the rape trial. From a boy, he became a man. His last scene with Vidith was poignant.

I really kept expecting someone to acknowledge his costs.

And I desperately wanted that person to be Indira. All the talk of forgiveness, love and reconciliation could wait. The need of the moment was a gesture, spoken or otherwise, to acknowledge and soothe his raw wound.

No one did that, but a reporter. Should we not feel shame at this?


@JJKG I totally agree with u
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Posted: 13 years ago
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And no Natasha please, kidding or otherwise. 😛

It trivializes Rishi, Indira and their dynamics to high school games.

I think Rishi realized on thursday, he has to walk alone. It is sad he has to, but so be it. If Indira is truly his, she will come to him. Otherwise, she was never his, and was always her family's
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: himbin

Very true...It seemed his art was his only support growing up and now

he draws all his strength from his love to Indira..
I think Indira knows that he longs for his family and would be affected by what
happened but, is kind of self absorbed in her world...
She always had Rishi's love and support readily available 24/7 without even asking
hence its still she,her family and Rishi for her..
She does love Rishi very deeply but,is still not at the stage of thinking of him
beyond herself and her family.
If Rishi really has left,this seperation would surely make her realise the depth of love
she has for him..and this journey is going to make their love even stronger...
They both are each others hope ...and cure for their loneliness







Agreed 100%


She has not yet started to think of Rishi as an independent being who needs her, is central to her existence.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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One final comment I will stop my monlogue😉


The simple illustration of Indira still thinking in terms of "I", "my family" and not "him" when she thinks of Rishi is the following:

when she gave her victory speech, she thanked Rishi. But the language and thinking driving "thanks" was "me, my family", i.e. how much support he have me etcetra, etcetra

It wasn't "here is a man who stood for truth, sacrificed all..." much like that silly reporter.

This is the difference I am talking about, difference that makes me very sad


PS:

Please note that this is not a "bashing" thread, which I fear is the interpretation many Rati fans will give. I can't even say it is criticism of Indira. It is simply analysis of far apart Rishi and Indira are in their love equation, and how much Indira still has to travel to be firmly in the "love territory". She has come far, but is still far
Edited by jjkg - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: jjkg

And no Natasha please, kidding or otherwise. 😛


It trivializes Rishi, Indira and their dynamics to high school games.

I think Rishi realized on thursday, he has to walk alone. It is sad he has to, but so be it. If Indira is truly his, she will come to him. Otherwise, she was never his, and was always her family's

I would like to draw attention to one scene which i even wrote about in another thread too..

There was a scene in thursday's episode when reporters ask Indira for her message and she says
"apne upar huyi atyachaar ko sehen nahi karna chaahiye.Balki virodh karna
chaahiye chaahe apraadhi kitna bada bhi ho.Apne par bharosa rakna chaahiye"

Expressions of Rishi here were very interesting .I wondered what was going on in his mind.It was as if something clicked to him...Taking inspiration he must have thought apne pyaar par bharosa rakhana chaahiye and he should stand up for the humiliation he went through..
(would like to know if anyone has any other interpretation to his expressions)

After that he slowly moves away from the crowd ,smiles at Vidith and is gone..

Thats why i strongly believe friday's episode is totally Indira's dream and Rishi
left as his purpose of coming to SN is served as Vidith is getting better and
now its Indira's turn to reach out to him.


Edited by himbin - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Rishi's support system? I don't know...what about his many friends whom he danced with in his bachelor party or with whom he conspired to keep his truth away from Indira...what about them?

As for Indira's selfishness and Rishi's selflessness...Umm...Rishi has always been shown like a detached leaf, without a family or even a care for the family.I don't think he actually cares much about them else he could have allowed any other lawyer to fight mandira's case...Someone experienced and smart. Why did he have to interfere when rani ditced the case? Because he wanted to prove himself to Indira. Did he even think he might send his own brother to jail, he was coolly talking about umra kaid with radhey...And then romancing Indira when she thusofied the food in his mouth...

How on earth will Indira understand if he felt sorry about his losing his family when he himself has never shown any love or concern towards them? As far as i remember he has only bad mouthed his family and projected that as a reason for lying about his identity...Indira did feel for him when he was walking aimlessly in the court but I guess she was feeling a lot of things herself...She needed to get them sorted too...She too is human after all...

Last but not the least...yes Indira does put her family above Rishi. She loves her family quite obsessively. That doesn't mean she is selfish. I don't how can people rate love for family as a drawback especially for a girl like Indira who has kept that family going for so many years.She still has a lot to know about Rishi,he is perpetually a stranger to him. She had repeatedly asked him to open up without any proper response , so what is she supposed to do? make it her aim of life to dig in more information from him? Has Rishi ever told Indira that MMji i feel horrible when my mother treats me like crap...he has himself kept that side of him away...how is she supposed to know? When he had said about the punishments given to him in his childhood, she had listened...

When Rishi himself can't trust Indira to understand him how can Indira guess his vulnerabilities...Atleast indira has given him a leeway to her heart...opened herself to him , rishi always kept himself hidden under the cloak of jokes, super confidence and declarations of love...

I think what the Cvs should show now is...An emotional breakdown of Rishi and some emotional depth from his side and Indira hearing his rants. I don't want her to follow him around, that would be sooo tit for tat in inshi relationship...its like Rishi taking it out on Indu...since I pursued you so you should pursue me...lol..I want an emotional outburst of Rishi and Indira sitting and hearing it out...like a friend not a GF...Then consoling him a normal way like a friend would...

And please don't misunderstand Rati fans...They have more or less given up on the forum so most of them won't bother replying here...TC

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