Harry n Voldemort............relatives - Page 3

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

Lo..leave it the Merlin thing I mean... u know Ron exclaims "Merlin's Most baggy Y-Fronts" all the time...N Isnt Merlin the first wiz..was just refering to that stuff...

Ok, I still don't get it (Merlin isn't the first wizard) but ok...

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

anyways...well if one thinks that way, every theory said in the book is mouthed by sumon or the other...

That's the beauty of Third person limited-subjective perspective, it keeps you wondering and guessing what is and what isn't true. First person pov is basically what we're getting (except for a few chapters in the beginning of some books) with a third person narrative. Now, it being a third person narrative we can believe that Harry is not hallucinating the wizarding world but it being in a narrower perspective (something closer to first person), we're so limited in the knowledge to what only Harry knows (not counting the few chapters that we've gotten a glimpse of a diff pov). Does this mean what Harry knows, thinks and has been told is true? Yes/no/maybe…not everything for sure.

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

also in Deathly Hallows...why did Harry want Dumbledore so much???? Coz DD was always the man who had te right answers to anything and everything...

As I mentioned above what we're getting is basically first person and what Harry knows is what we know. Our main character, one Mr. H Potter, is a flawed character. One might think that he is right in assuming that Dumbledore is always going to have the right answers but it doesn't make it so.

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

n very very rarely is DD's inferences wrong...

Key word here is rarely. We can't take everything Dumbledore says at face value because the man (as much as I love the guy) would do just about anything for "the greater good" on top of that Dumbledore is also a flawed character, he's not perfect though I'd be first to admit there was a point in time that I believed him to do no wrong.

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

Secondly, abt Cloak beating DEATH...Well after reading Deathly Hallows..actually after King's Cross, its quite evident WHAT beats Death..Its Love and only Love...None of the Hallows "BEAT" death...In the story abt the three brothers, it was just a Children's Story..as DD says in King's Cross...suspect the Hallows are just Creations by the three Bros---who were infinitely skilled...not not given by death..That is so far fetched n its oly a story...

Hm I didn't say it beat death, I said it *supposedly* beat death. I've got my reservations about this story, somewhat like our dear Hermione. I also mentioned that "if he (voldermort) believed this story, wouldn't he go after the Hallows? So within Voldies perspective, had he believed in the story, why wouldn't he?
As per the love thing, I'm skeptical in that respect. Harry's survival could have been quite a bit of things including but not limited to the prophesy…fate does have a way with screwing up peoples lives in ways one can never imagine. And here again you're taking DD's word for it and the guys flawed, he's not always right.

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

yes, voldemort fears death..But he doesnt need any more precauions..his soul is divided into 7 n safe...he believes he is immortal..

I don't know, if someone can split his soul just so they can beat death might also have the idea that there can be no such thing as too much precaution.

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

N he is so pumpkin headed ( ) that he refuses to think anyone can kill him and any how he has already taken precautions thru Horcruxes...

I think you're forgetting a key element that started the course of these books which is that Voldermort went out of his way to kill Harry, a mere baby at the time and has been trying to do so ever since that fateful night. Why would he do that? If he was so comfortable about his mortality why would he bother specially when the prophesy, the reason why he did this, was made by a loony no good seer?

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

U see DD says that he wudnt have been very much interested in the Philosopher's stone if he wasnt under extreme hellessness as that in book1..Coz he hates depending on anythung..he operates by himself..He alone can help him...n

Here again you're taking Dumbledore's word for it (answer can be found in other sections of this post).

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

The stone of ressurrection cannot bring URSELF back to life..but can be used to bring sumone u want cum back to life(as is the foolish belief--I mean "cuming back to life")---but which was cleared to us after King's Cross...

I don't think it foolish for wanting to resurrect someone from the dead specially for a guy like Voldermort (think inferi). Think of the advantages - Lot more bodies to control and do your bidding and you don't even have to go searching for any plus they're unrecorded, nobody would think them missing (good if he wants to remain low key). Surely someone as brilliant (bit mad but brilliant non-the-less) as Tom/Voldermort would have thought of this (assuming he knows the story, of course).

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

we must learn to just drink in n accept what Dumbledore says coz "If we cannot believe Dumbledore, who can we believe?"--Hermione in Book5...

I do tend to get analytical and I simply cannot take what any character says at face value, no matter how great their track record. One needs to look at the whole picture, as I said before - this is the beauty of a book being written this way, there really isn't one right answer but a great many maybe's.


Wow, that's a long post. I apologize if I'm taking too much space.

^^it always good to analyse any book...I have always Analysed n found my own answers for doubt..but in such areas where a doubt hasnt arisen for me,it is solely coz its better to believe at least sumthing rather than nothing..to stay with only the questions n not the answers...n yes the key word is RARELY...N I dont deny DD isnt Flawed...Aftr DH we all know that he committed flaws in his early life...as U chose to put it he was so crazy that "this guy wud do anything for the 'greater Good'"!😆 agreed and I love him more than ever for it I guess😉 But he learnt the lesson the hard way n didnt make too many flaws later on..so his word is more bankable than anyone else's...

n Harry too is a not-perfect wizard...n What was WRONG anyway in his thinking that DD always has the right answers? Didnt he? Didnt he smell the way out even out of the toughest of conditions facing his death? Indeed HP is from Third Person Poiny of view..which is why we know that each n every character may go terribly wrong n It wudntt matter if the writer twists up n manipulates her words😉---N as DD said "Being clever than many wizards, my mistakes tend to be graver.."--Indeed they were..But being a better wizard than many, he learnt from his mistakes n some mistakes..He vchose to Make against better judgement of his brain for who is he to deny the most intense misgivings of his heart?

Hmm...well the bottomline is-Dont analyse HP too much...I do analyse it but dont b\urn my head for it coz I read HP solely for the purpose of having an enjoyable time...there are much more quality boks which can be analysed a bit too seriously...😉 I wud just say..HP gives u wings..Just fly along with it! Thats it😉

PS: Looong Post Jane 😉 😃

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

^^it always good to analyse any book...I have always Analysed n found my own answers for doubt..but in such areas where a doubt hasnt arisen for me,it is solely coz its better to believe at least sumthing rather than nothing..to stay with only the questions n not the answers...n yes the key word is RARELY...N I dont deny DD isnt Flawed...Aftr DH we all know that he committed flaws in his early life...as U chose to put it he was so crazy that "this guy wud do anything for the 'greater Good'"!😆 agreed and I love him more than ever for it I guess😉 But he learnt the lesson the hard way n didnt make too many flaws later on..so his word is more bankable than anyone else's...

Well I didn't say that his word isn't reliable but...as I said before I don't really like to take what any character says at face value no matter how great their track record.

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

n Harry too is a not-perfect wizard...n What was WRONG anyway in his thinking that DD always has the right answers? Didnt he? Didnt he smell the way out even out of the toughest of conditions facing his death? Indeed HP is from Third Person Poiny of view..which is why we know that each n every character may go terribly wrong n It wudntt matter if the writer twists up n manipulates her words😉---N as DD said "Being clever than many wizards, my mistakes tend to be graver.."--Indeed they were..But being a better wizard than many, he learnt from his mistakes n some mistakes..He vchose to Make against better judgement of his brain for who is he to deny the most intense misgivings of his heart?

Well, It's only natural to believe the person that one considers the most reliable (and Dumbledore is quite reliable). Just because Harry has been able to get out of some tough situations with a bit of luck and great guessing doesn't mean that he was absolutely right in assuming that DD is always right. As you yourself admit that he does make mistakes and a person is never too old or too wise to make another one.

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

Hmm...well the bottomline is-Dont analyse HP too much...I do analyse it but dont b\urn my head for it coz I read HP solely for the purpose of having an enjoyable time...there are much more quality boks which can be analysed a bit too seriously...😉 I wud just say..HP gives u wings..Just fly along with it! Thats it😉

😆 Something like red bull huh?
One can still enjoy the books even when analyzing with a fine toothed comb and in IMO (and, mind you, this is just my opinion) it's much more fun to nitpick at everything to unravel the little mysteries the Author has hidden in the lines. And believe me that fine toothed comb has kept me entranced when I was ready to chuck the book at points when it wasn't going in the direction I hoped it would.
I didn't mean to "burn your head" over anything, I was just giving my opinion and ideas…

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

PS: Looong Post Jane 😉 😃

😆 Noticed that did you...I tend to ramble.😳

Uh Huh

ok then

you think that

You are really funny,

Voldemort and Harry Potter related---funny

Originally posted by: frenzgrl129

Uh Huh

ok then

you think that

You are really funny,

Voldemort and Harry Potter related---funny

it's not funny yaar,it's da truth

Originally posted by: *Jane*

Well I didn't say that his word isn't reliable but...as I said before I don't really like to take what any character says at face value no matter how great their track record.

Well, It's only natural to believe the person that one considers the most reliable (and Dumbledore is quite reliable). Just because Harry has been able to get out of some tough situations with a bit of luck and great guessing doesn't mean that he was absolutely right in assuming that DD is always right. As you yourself admit that he does make mistakes and a person is never too old or too wise to make another one.

😆 Something like red bull huh?
One can still enjoy the books even when analyzing with a fine toothed comb and in IMO (and, mind you, this is just my opinion) it's much more fun to nitpick at everything to unravel the little mysteries the Author has hidden in the lines. And believe me that fine toothed comb has kept me entranced when I was ready to chuck the book at points when it wasn't going in the direction I hoped it would.
I didn't mean to "burn your head" over anything, I was just giving my opinion and ideas…

😆 Noticed that did you...I tend to ramble.😳

Lolz..So do I yaar!😉 "Burn The head" was only an accidental expression..Oh A slip of the tounge is an error of the mind and those who repeat it will get a kick from Behind...so kick me if I do that again okies?!😉

how are Voldermort and Harry Potter related?

How??

I read all 7 books in nowhere does it say they are related!

Please explain this too me!

^^Sumera already explained yaar...
Voldemort is son of Merope..Gaunt in Merope's Dad..In HBP, IN Bob Ogden's memory, Gaunt says that "we are descended from the Peverells" and shows the Peverell Coat of arms...in fact Voldy is descended from the second Peverell Brother(IE: His inheritance being the Stone of Ressurrection..)
Harry is the descendent of the third Peverell Bro-Ignotus which is why the Invisibility cloak is his inheritance...
ie: Harry and Voldy are Descendents of the Two Peverell Brothers...they are thus related...

Wow that is completelty..
Ok that makes sense and I know that in a way they are related however it is not completely right. Look everyone in the world it is said that everyone in the world is related. Every person has about 100000 descendents or so and you could be related to someone from a completely different country, religion, caste etcc... My point is that people are realted but you dont call them your relatives because you dont exactly know them. On that basis Harry and Voldermort are related through name but not exacty related. You could say your best friend is your sister but not really like that. Its through words and a long history of descendents not exactly blood.

They are not related. If they were why on earth would Voldermort hurt or want to hurt his own blood his own relative. Was he or was he not aware of this history. It didnt say anywhere that he didnt know, sooo...

What you are saying is true but think about. Honeslty people cant be related through just names and blood its the relationship they have. Harry wants nothing to do with Voldermort her is not his relative. END OF STORY

Originally posted by: frenzgrl129

Wow that is completelty..
Ok that makes sense and I know that in a way they are related however it is not completely right. Look everyone in the world it is said that everyone in the world is related. Every person has about 100000 descendents or so and you could be related to someone from a completely different country, religion, caste etcc... My point is that people are realted but you dont call them your relatives because you dont exactly know them. On that basis Harry and Voldermort are related through name but not exacty related. You could say your best friend is your sister but not really like that. Its through words and a long history of descendents not exactly blood.

They are not related. If they were why on earth would Voldermort hurt or want to hurt his own blood his own relative. Was he or was he not aware of this history. It didnt say anywhere that he didnt know, sooo...

What you are saying is true but think about. Honeslty people cant be related through just names and blood its the relationship they have. Harry wants nothing to do with Voldermort her is not his relative. END OF STORY

yeah u r right,agree wid u👏