Harry a Horcrux: Theory Debunked

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Hey guys!

So as you all may know, as being readers of the Harry Potter series, that quite a popular theory is circulating: that Harry himself is a Horcrux. Though Jo has not touched base on this particular topic, we cannot assume it valid. Let's look at the facts, shall we?

Let's go back to the night when Voldemort killed James and Lily and then attempted to kill Harry. If people say this is the time Harry was made a Horcrux, then why would Voldemort make a Horcrux out of a being he was going to kill? Does that make sense? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of making a Horcrux in the first place?

So people say what about the portion of time between Voldemort's casting Avada Kedavra and his downfall? Couldn't Voldemort have made a Horcrux out of Harry then? I say, no. Voldemort wouldn't have had enough time to perform such complicated magic in the split second he had to remain in his body, and his downfall. no,no... buti have a better explanation to that...

And that is, friends, Priori Incantatem. as you may recall in Book 4, when Harry and Voldemort's wands met the reverse spell effect (priori incantatem) was in tact.. from the wand came out screams (representing the curatius curse voldemort has performed on Harry just minutes ago), wormtails arm which was given to him before performing the curatius curse, Cedric Diggory, Frank Bryce, Bertha Jorkins, Lily Potter and James Potter... If voldemort truly had madee harry a horcrux, in between Bertha and Lily would've been some unfamiliar shadow/form of magic representing the making of a horcrux .. however the book does not hint of any sort of unfamiliar magic, therefore, how can harry be a horcrux...

unless, Voldemort did not INTEND to make harry a horcrux, and that horcruxes are not made by the use of a wand.. but how then are they made? so far, we know magic is done by the wand, except of course the magic of "love," but can evil magic also be done without a use of the wand? if so then how? The magic bestowed on Harry had a good bond, but how do evil ties form to make horcruxes?

So this is my verison of why Harry is not a Horcrux,, if anybody wants to contradict it go right ahead, im open to new ideas!! :D

hope it wasnt a bore!!

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Very nice topic! 👏

I dun think Harry is a Horcrux at all. IT just doesn't make sense and all your points prove this very well!

In order to make a Horcrux you must kill first of all... which, oky, Voldie has done that numerous times for his benefit. But where will he have the time to do this? Making a Horcrux is not a fast and easy task (i believe), and therefore Voldie does not have TIME to do it on Harry because someone or something always comes in the way.

Yes, Harry can feel and hear some of Voldemort's thoughts, but the reason is his scar, which we all know.... in order for Harry to be a Horcrux, he must be have to feel much more than that. Voldemort literally puts a part of himself into a Horcrux, and I don't think that a Horcrux can kill another one, if im not mistaken.

more thoughts later... nice post! 😃
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Posted: 18 years ago
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thats perfect evidence that harry is NOT in fact a horcrux...

i never thought harry was a horcrux... i always thought that the horcruxes were what dumbledore believed were the horcruxes but i did get a confusion cos JKR asid she was going to kill somebody... and i felt she would be dramatic and finish off harry so i thought there would be a chance of it being harry

but your points totally prove it wrongg...

thanks for sharing your perfectly wonderful thoughts with us!!!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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heyy~i totally agree with all ur points n ammu n ysh too 😃
only thing i dont agree is:
[quote]And that is, friends, Priori Incantatem. as you may recall in Book 4, when Harry and Voldemort's wands met the reverse spell effect (priori incantatem) was in tact.. from the wand came out screams (representing the curatius curse voldemort has performed on Harry just minutes ago), wormtails arm which was given to him before performing the curatius curse, Cedric Diggory, Frank Bryce, Bertha Jorkins, Lily Potter and James Potter... If voldemort truly had madee harry a horcrux, in between Bertha and Lily would've been some unfamiliar shadow/form of magic representing the making of a horcrux .. however the book does not hint of any sort of unfamiliar magic, therefore, how can harry be a horcrux...[/quote]

hmm..u need two wands for a priori incatatem to take place na? bcos its the two wands that get conected..with the strand of light n all...harry dint hav his wand yet at age 1...besides even if it did take place, the PI would replicate the same things it replicated in gof
in GOF the order was:
wormtails hand
cedric
frank bryce
bertha jorkins
james
lily

right??
so if voldypoo performed this on harry and by some chance PI took place, it would replicate james n lily n smthin else b4 them i guess 😕 n wht effect would the ghost of a horcrux have :-? 😕

so i think PI is only remotely possible 😃
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Posted: 18 years ago
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She meant in GoF doofus ^

Yes, possible... but no one has really said before, how a horcrux was made... so what if you don't need a wand? Dumbledore can do so many things with just his hands! And Voldemort is honestly very very powerful, and an excellent wizard.!

He doesn't need to kill harry to make him a horcrux! He needs to kill. to make a horcrux. He didn't kill the ring? the book? He might have killed James and Lily and later instead of finding a valuable thing, just used Harry I guess,.. since his death was so important... The only hitch is, why would he want a dead body horcrux? 😕
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Posted: 18 years ago
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He killed harrys parents... he could have made a horcrux... besides if he killed harry, harry wouldnt have been a horcrux...

and niyu, u can do a PI without 2 wands!!! remember crouch did with harrys wand at beg of GoF???
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Heya there, nice topic, and the thought about Harry being a horcrux well, it never occured to me earlier while reading the book, but your post has got me thinking...

Much as your reasons are very very convincing, I have two thoughts, that lead me to believe that Harry is a horcrux.. too... but yet again... not one of the seven horcruxes we are lead to believe but the eighth one..

Here are my thoughts as to why I arrived at the conclusion!

Well, if one can re-collect and kindly correct me if I am wrong here , that, in the second book , Chamber of secrets, where Harry realizes he can speak snake language, he is puzzled and towards the end , after his encounter with Tom Riddl and destroying the diary, asks Prof Dumbledore about , the parselmouth trait and Dumbledore does say that.. well it was possible that , Voldermort could have transferred some of his powers to Harry on the fateful night that he tried to kill Harry, which also lead him to lose his very physical being, leaving him close to a spirit and nothing more.

Secondly, in the fourth book, where Voldermort revives and comes back, Harry's blood is taken , to revive him and give him form. Voldermort only confirms this , which we are given an inkling to in the description of the dream of Harry, where the caretaker is killed.. and Voldermort does say to Wormtail, the boy is important and that he is needed for this, when Barty Crouch Jr comes in and says he would get the boy!

So it does appear that a part of Voldermort does reside in Harry , which is why Voldermort said , it was important for the boy to be there... for him to revive his form. But he himself may not be aware the Harry himself is a horcrux, which had he known, he could have jus as well revived himself by killing him...

Since we are already given a evidence from the tampered memory that seven was the number Tom riddle was considering, it is clear, Tom riddle did make 7 horcruxes, apparently on the fateful night , Harry also , as a aftermath of the avada kedavra curse that backfired might have turned into a horcrux which will be revelaed to us , and hence Harry might have to sacrifice himself , to destroy voldermort completely , apart from 7 horcruxes!

I do believe , even if Harry is a horcrux, Voldermort is as unaware of it as Harry himself is as of now!

Jus my thoughts!

sUgA -N- sPiCe : Lovely post and it really got me thinking and so the thoughts flowed as soon as I read your psot... lemme know what you think...

Awaiting your ideas as well! 😊

Edited by sareeta - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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hey bhaggu ur rite sam 😆 sry i dint read d theory properly 😆 why do i always make scha fool of myself 😭
n ac2li ysh crouch did use two wans,he touched d tip of his wand to harrys wand n said "PI"..atleast i think he did 😕 rite :-s ?
n hey sareeta nice post yaar 😳 i agree wit both the snake thing n voldemort-revival n all..
bt i still donno wht to think 😆 thr r so mny proofs fr both sides 😭
JULY 21 GET HERE FAST WILL U 😡😆
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sareeta


, asks Prof dumbledore about , the parselmouth trait and Dumbledore does that.. well its possible that , Voldermort could have transferred some of his powers to Harry on the fateful night that he tried to kill Harry, which also lead him to lose his very physical being, leaving him close to a spirit and nothing more.

Originally posted by: sareeta

Secondly, in the fourth book, where Voldermort revives and comes back, Harry's blood is taken , to revive him and give him form. Voldermort only confirms this

Dumbledore tells Harry that Voldemort INADVERTENTLY transferred some of his powers to Harry.Voldy wanted to kill of Harry,but ended up bestowing powers on Harry..So analogously,maybe Voldy made Harry a horcrux without knowing it.And I still doubt Voldy knows about Harry being a horcrux.Maybe Voldy's labouring under the misapprehension ,which would be clearned when even after destroying all the 7 horcruxes,and after exterminating Voldy's body,Voldy would still inscrutably continue to live,much to everyone's chagrin and mystery.Perhaps its then that Harry realizes and kills himself.The scar is supposed to have established a contact and an inexplicable relationship between harry and Voldemort.

Originally posted by: sareeta

Voldermort says, the boy is important and that he is needed for this, when barty crouch junior comes in and says he would get the boy!
So it does appear that a part of Voldermort does reside in Harry , which is why voldermort said , it was important for the boy to be there... for him to revive his form.

I think Voldemort considered Harry to be "important" because Only Harry could fetch him the prophecy.I dont think he wanted Harry alive because he was a Hrocrux.I believe No one (including voldemort) knows that Harry is a horcrux.And maybe that's the reason why ALL of Voldemort's attempts to kill Harry have resulted in failures,and vice versa..Voldemort cannot kill Harry because he is a part of Voldemort.But then,the prophecy stated that either one would kill the other😕,but perhaps there's more to reality than the prophecy.Voldemort's unintentionally making Harry a horcrux by transferring some of his powers to him is VERY plausible a postulation

Edited by joie de vivre - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: joie de vivre

Dumbledore tells Harry that Voldemort INADVERTENTLY transferred some of his powers to Harry.Voldy wanted to kill of Harry,but ended up bestowing powers on Harry..So analogously,maybe Voldy made Harry a horcrux without knowing it.And I still doubt Voldy knows about Harry being a horcrux.Maybe Voldy's labouring under the misapprehension ,which would be clearned when even after destroying all the 7 horcruxes,and after exterminating Voldy's body,Voldy would still inscrutable continue to live,much to everyone's chagrin and mystery.Perhaps its then that Harry realizes and kills himself.The scar is supposed to have established a contact and an inexplicable relationship between harry and Voldemort.

I think Voldemort considered Harry to be "important" because Only Harry could fetch him the prophecy.I dont think he wanted Harry alive because he was a Hrocrux.I believe No one (including voldemort) knows that Harry is a horcrux.And maybe that's the reason why ALL of Voldemort's attempts to kill Harry have resulted in failures,and vice versa..Voldemort cannot kill Harry because he is a part of Voldemort.But then,the prophecy stated that either one would kill the other😕,but perhaps there's more to reality than the prophecy.Voldemort's unintentionally making Harry a horcrux by transferring some of his powers to him is VERY plausible a postulation

I do agree and I did miss putting that in my post , although that was running in my mind , guess missed as I typed it all (jus edited it a while ago... guess I was editing it , while you were adding in your reply 😊), oops, that yeah even Voldermort does not know about Harry being a horcrux! Both Harry and Voldermort are ignorant of that aspect ...

Yeah I agree with the points you've raised, Harry being a horcrux and finally realizing it after all the seven horcruxes are destroyed and Voldy still being able to resurrect himself, would a reason for Harry to believe so and end his own life as well! Very very plausible... 😊

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