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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: sareeta

Lalitha - Wouldn't it be harsh to judge anyone, either James or Snape as grey purely on the two aspects of one having bullied other in college ( although we don't know if it was others , other than Snape) and Snape for choosing Dark arts...

I believe, its a lot more, that takes one to paint someone as being a grey character ( well we all are ) but how deep a shade of a grey....

I beg to differ, but I dont think percentages would be fair... it would become relative....with each person seeing them in a different shade...

No offense, just my views really...

Wow, nice intake on this.👏 Never thought of it like that...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: godisone

Wow, nice intake on this.👏 Never thought of it like that...


I agree about James...it would be harsh but thats why charcters like Draco and Snape are called grey...because they were both obsessed with idea of real wizards having "pure-bloods"i.e. because of their love for Dark Arts ....coz like you said each person will have a very different view...I have seen people claim Voldemort as being perfectly white.........😕Im not kidding really lol...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: redhotght


I agree about James...it would be harsh but thats why charcters like Draco and Snape are called grey...because they were both obsessed with idea of real wizards having "pure-bloods"i.e. because of their love for Dark Arts ....coz like you said each person will have a very different view...I have seen people claim Voldemort as being perfectly white.........😕Im not kidding really lol...

Voldemort: white? Lord, what were they thinking?😲
Random Question: Who do you think was more evil? Voldemort or Adolf Hitler?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Haha, I think both give each other a run for their money! I agree with chhilt, It's definitely a tie lol.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Don't know much about hitler , and about voldemort, he was well, he feared death and his acts of evil were born out of it, wonder what Hitler feared....perhaps a rebellious subordinate or slaves?!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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grey character do have a good side in them
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Posted: 16 years ago
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What constitutes a character being called grey as opposed to being flawed? I think that is the real question.

All the characters of Harry Potter are flawed, there is no perfect character just as in life there is no perfect person. However the "greyness" of a character arises from what their intentions were.

For instance Harry, Hermoine, Ron, Hagrid's actions were geared towards the "white side" of things or the good side and therefore they would not be judged as grey characters.

However, characters such as Snape and Draco were portrayed as being more focused on the dark side of things, however they cannot be said to be truly evil like Voldermort. They appear to have some sort of conscience or feel some level of remorse for some of their "eviler" actions which makes them neither black nor white, good or bad but a shade in between - ie- grey.

As for the character of James, as someone mentioned earlier, yes in his youth, he may have pulled pranks or insulted others, but as he matured so did his moral compass too and was for the most part a more "white" character.

And as for Percy, though I disliked his character immensely, he was in fact geared towards the white side, though he was very ambitious and succumbed to peer pressure easily calling into question his shading.

Now my question is what about Umbridge? Is she a "grey character "or a misguided "white character"?


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Good conversation.👏
Sorry, cant think of anything to say right now. I think everyone covered it. I think the truly "black characters" are Voldemort, Bellatrix, and Umbridge. While there were tons more "evil" characters, those three were the only ones who did not seem to have a conscience.
I don't there were any "perfectly white" characters, but that's expected, because that would mean they are perfect, and that's impossible.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Voldemort: white? Lord, what were they thinking?😲
Random Question: Who do you think was more evil? Voldemort or Adolf Hitler?
I always thought that the Voldermort character was modelled after Hitler, and the entire war of targeting the "mudbloods" was akin to Hilter's treatment of the Jews in WWII. But I think that Voldermort's character was written a little more evil.
As for what Hilter feared I think he was afraid of being tortured as he tortured so many. That's why I think that he took his own life when he realized that the war was lost for him.
Oh btw - Merry Christmas everyone!
Edited by shellytt - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: shellytt

What constitutes a character being called grey as opposed to being flawed? I think that is the real question.

All the characters of Harry Potter are flawed, there is no perfect character just as in life there is no perfect person. However the "greyness" of a character arises from what their intentions were.

For instance Harry, Hermoine, Ron, Hagrid's actions were geared towards the "white side" of things or the good side and therefore they would not be judged as grey characters.

However, characters such as Snape and Draco were portrayed as being more focused on the dark side of things, however they cannot be said to be truly evil like Voldermort. They appear to have some sort of conscience or feel some level of remorse for some of their "eviler" actions which makes them neither black nor white, good or bad but a shade in between - ie- grey.

As for the character of James, as someone mentioned earlier, yes in his youth, he may have pulled pranks or insulted others, but as he matured so did his moral compass too and was for the most part a more "white" character.

And as for Percy, though I disliked his character immensely, he was in fact geared towards the white side, though he was very ambitious and succumbed to peer pressure easily calling into question his shading.

Now my question is what about Umbridge? Is she a "grey character "or a misguided "white character"?


I think she's a misguided white character, because she was never obsessed with the Dark Arts (as far as I know), and she was misguided by Fudge into thinking Dumbledore was the "enemy" and so therefore, anyone who followed him should be punished. She wasn't evil in the same way like Voldemort of Bellatrix, but in a different sadistic way.

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