GK - Classic Protagonists With A Twist?!

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Anjalg

@Anjalg

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Posted: 14 years ago

#21

^Likarsh: I have watched that scene so so many times and it is one of my all time favorites!! His expressions are priceless - taunt turns into surprise turns into guilt for making her cry turns to - Oh crap...what have I done??!! Especially when she says - "mai kuch nahi karungi, mai tujhse haar gayee Kesar" You can see from his expression that the last thing he was expecting from her was a sense of defeat and resignation!!

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*Reemz*

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Posted: 14 years ago

#22

I'm answering in bits and pieces here (too long a day today..energy gone phuss)

I agree about Manasi not looking older than Neil but Gulaal does look older than Kesar because she IS significantly older than. The way she dresses, talks and kind of has authority over Kesar shows all that. It makes the love story more endearing actually.

I would love love love to see NB and MP together again. Though the chances are rare but it's always a treat to watch brilliant actors come together.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 14 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: Anjalg
This is so well portrayed in the scene where PB gets angry at Gulaal when she finds out that both Gulaal and Sudha had planned this whole Kesu Talli wedding. Kesu is standing at the door and he taunts Gulaal. She starts crying, apologizes to Kesu for making such a huge decision on his behalf and swears on Vasant that she will never show her face to Kesu again!! So, Kesu was holding a mirror to Gulaal but the most beautiful part was the change in his expression as he watched her cry. He was literally thinking - 'Oh crap...this is not I wanted, I don't want Gulaal out of my life'! Ahhh one of my fav. scenes seriously...that entire phase with the build up to the KT wedding until the final drama at the wedding and ofcourse ultimately the confession is maybe THE most charged/intense phase of the show and I absolutely LOVED it...that's the phase that hooked me to this show...all those epis starting from around 8th June or so. Ahhh I feel like going on a marathon spree tonight again and watching all these scenes once more

So they literally are each others mirrors and though they point out each others mistakes and fallacies...they are quick to forgive and forget as well! So true! And literally one of the things that have impressed me so much about these characterizations and drawn me in as well.

It was the same when Gulaal slapped Kesu, he was angry and decided to leave home. When Dushy brought him back and Kesu went for the Vat Savitri thing, Gulaal apologized to Kesu...you can see him just breathe in and let go of everything else. That is all it takes...one look at Gulaal, one apology from her and everything is forgiven and forgotten! LOL so true...Gulaal can bring out his most mutinous/stubborn side but then he's just as much of a softie when it comes to her too and will melt in the blink of an eye at the slightest of softening from her end *sigh*

You know, I found the precap very interesting. She is giving him the haq to ask her all the questions that have haunted him for years and his immediate response - nahi nahi...mujhe kucch nahi jaannaa...why do you think he said that? Ahh you've picked on one of the most interesting moments in the precap...that line really makes me wonder too...his instant reaction like that as she attempts to tell him...the sense I get for now...He's SO taken in with his mission make Gulaal happy that it was almost a pre-emptive measure from him there...since he's seen that keeping this secret has caused her so much pain, the fallout has caused her so much pain...at one time HE caused her pain by needling her about it so now when he's in this almost zen-like state of just wanting her happiness at any cost, he figures let's not open up that Pandora's box??

I almost wonder if he is also afraid on some level about what that truth will reveal...as if he's afraid to disturb the delicate balance of calm they've achieved for now...there's a certain wariness or maybe that's my imagination.

I was rewatching old epis last night and seriously it's amazing how wanting this one answer DEFINED Kesar's life during that phase...and the irony is that today Gulaal WANTS to tell him at last and he actually REFUSES in the first instant...amazing...😆

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

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Posted: 14 years ago

#24

Oh I see some greens! Got held up longer than I imagined, but skipping away to read the replies and now and be back with mine (:

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

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Posted: 14 years ago

#25

Whoaaa! that was some very interesting stuff to read - can't quote you all, because I'd probably end up saying the same bunch of things n number of times like that - so I'll just do my own reply here?

Firstly, with regard to the age difference between Gulaal and Kesar - and especially in reference to the scene from yesterday where she tells him to sit away - I personally the characteristic traits of a bond from the time of its inception can never truly be done away with. Gulaal is no longer the all patronizing guardian Kesar needs - because in recent times she has had so much inevitable evidence of how much an adult he has become, and how equal to her... but that said, she did first know him from when he was only a child - and an adult. No matter the time gap that comes from then to now - to future - and no matter the fact that tomorrow will be a time when he gets his position and acceptance as her husband - the male - and hence superior in a sense; they shall both never really completely outgrow the initial phase of their bond. Its' like knowing a friend back from elementary school days, and then making another friend at grad school level - is a slight difference... even if you get to be a lot closer to the grad school mate - the bond a lot more mature and serious and lasting, something about childhood friends is exclusive to them... they know those kid time secrets/facts about you - not just as narratives they have heard, but experiences they have shared with you - which makes them see you from much before than your grown up mature seasoned version! Gulaal has not only seen Kesar as a child, but has played a pivotal role in his early grooming and nurturing... a small part of her will always retain that memory of Kesar the kid. In her case, Kesar is not just a man younger than herself who she will be in a relationship with - he is also the person who once a child she tended to and looked after. And I think, even as equals, as man and wife, and being bound in that kind of relationship for the rest of her life cannot just wipe away that initial fact. It will dim with time and progress of their 'married' couple bonding, but it will never be entirely done away with - and we will always have those occasions where her patronizing self not just as the elder woman in this bond, but as an elder to a child will sneak peak and reflect... In a way - yesterday when she wasn't just pulling up her wall between them at his intense look - which she can exactly interpret however much she may fool herself or him - when he changed the tone over food, she just reflexively switched to her 'elder guardian' mode telling 'the child' to stay away. In a way, she has progressed, because she doesn't just 'avert' or go silent... and yet, the completion of change hasn't yet come, and this is possibly one of her easiest revert back to modes to change the tense air... there's no intention to it - she probably doesn't even realize she just treated him like a child again - and interestingly, neither does Kesar! He knows, just like her, subconsciously, where this attitude comes from - because in the end, like Gulaal cannot forget her first phase with Kesar the child, Kesar himself cannot cease to be the occasional kid between them - every now and then... many of those scenes we find 'cute' are quite reflective of it! In fact - perhaps the way he can be so much of himself, even more than he would be before a mirror - in front of her, is because innately, he can still treat her as an elder and an equal all at once! So while on the one hand he sits her away and takes over the cleaning task -the all in charge male - on the other side, he shows off his cleaning efficiency to her like this bright new kid in class who must win his teacher's approval because he loves this Miss D'Souza and her lovely perfumes 😆 So really, I personally really liked the tone of that scene - its as characteristic to me, of GK, as is the just seconds before ripe tension in the gaze they share! The dynamics of their bond has an old old foundation - and however further they may have reached into what they share, the inception cannot just be done away with!

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without-fathom

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Posted: 14 years ago

#26

(Don't want to make a single post too long, so continuing with my next bit here)

This is about why GK are unique to me. (Yeh I know I'm supposed to have said my part in the original post, but who said I wont have things to add?! 😆 That was too brief to be me anyway, realistically speaking 😆 )

Anyway - so here's my say. Like pretty much everyone above me said and agreed - GK are larger and life and real to imagine all at once, because they are not fictional characters impersonating incredible amounts of perfection. While they can each be sworn off as the purest hearts of gold - they each half innate flaws in them - like all humans - flaws, that when tempted to surface by fate and circumstance show up as grey shades of humans.

However - what's most intriguing to me is the care with which their flaws have been projected with such credibility. Let's admit it - Kesar is not the only angry young man hero we have seen in fiction. I will not even go into mentioning *cough* the lead of a show we don't name around here. So why is Kesar the angry boy more credible as a flawed lead with regard to his lack of anger management, as opposed to ... others?! Thing is, we've had a plot which begins at the beginning, and builds up a sketch and its surround circumstances that give us the version of Kesar as we see him. He may have been a happy pampered baby of the house as a child character. But Kesar has always projected extremity in nature. There were always innate signs in him, of being capable of unbelievable limitlessness in his endeavors - and what extreme he would become was always going to be dependent on his circumstances. While his love for Gulaal has brought out this extreme of selflessness in him, which he may as well have been foreign to minus of her - it also managed to bring out severity to the extent of banishing himself from his own people and house for an entire decade. And yet - when we see him as the angry young man - he's not just a one-dimensional character who knows only anger. His anger has a reason - and his anger in turn targets only its cause - Gulaal (primarily) and Dushyant (secondarily). In fact, his grudge against Dushyant nearly fades away when he can make peace with Gulaal being absolved of whatever betrayal he imagined she had schemed against him. Other than that - he is seen (true to his real character) as warm, loving, silly, cute and still baby of the house, when he comes back - all changed by his decade longer pent up emotions.

A) his flaw - the anger - has a history that is not just vaguely shown in repeated FBs but actually carved out as an intricate story line over the span of weeks and months, so as to facilitate our understanding of the progress/regress in his character deficit.

B) his character flaw - despite its negative dominance over his person, is not all consuming. Realistically, any 'wrong' trait in a person cannot be so consuming that its wipes away any sign of the lurking good traits - which however rare and subdued, just have to exist! His flaw has an innate foundation in his person, has been tempered and exaggerated by time and fate but its' not a unanimous reaction to everything in his life. There is a person inside of him, which exists despite and with this flaw - and we see it easily, and all the time. The layers to his character each have a beginning, and all co-exist.

C) While there is a progress track to justify the provoked and enhanced side of his flaw - when he comes to his phase of reform and gets around to changing his temperament - it is not simply with the advent of a stranger who is pretty faced, challenging, and oh-so-easy to fall in love with. The reform happens at the hand of the person who was responsible for the stoking of the fire in the first place. It makes so much more sense, when you watch a character turning into this grey shade for a person, and then reforming because of that same person - because it only double emphasizes the kind of importance/eminence this person holds in the flawed characters life! And this fact holds true, not just for Kesar, but even for Dushyant - who's reform in many ways several notches higher than Kesar's.

In the end - what makes the characters real, is not just their flaws, the but the strong basis of a script which deals so well with showing exactly how the flaw happened, exactly how it touched its peak and how it is (or isn't) receding... We don't get overnight character transformations for good or bad - and that really really helps! To me, this is what sets the leads apart, from most other fiction, seen or read.

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Anjalg

@Anjalg

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Posted: 14 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: nureat01

A-HA!! I have watched the precap a few times now and what you said in the underlined part crossed my mind as well!! It is ironic, this is the haq he was was talking about when they had their first confrontation by the lake and at that time Gulaal had revoked all his rights leading to all that Tall marriage drama fiasco! Now, she wants him to ask her and he does not want any answers!! Oh, I love this show!! Like you mentioned, the answers he has always wanted are in that Pandora's box...he has seen the devastation the truth has caused and maybe he just does not want to go there and disturb the 'almost zen like state' they are in now.

I definitely feel that there is this underlying fear about what the truth will reveal. If you hear his tone when he says - nahi', it was such a quick response..almost too quick and I definitely sensed the wariness as well. So I am with you there...

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Piu Chatterjee

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Posted: 14 years ago

#28

Oh I just lubbed the weekend thread JZee.👏.and thanx to anu,anj reemz who continued the brilliant discussion...🤗

Oh BTW I just wanted to share my thoughts..I absolutely adore the characterizations of Kes and gul...so many aspects and layers..they seem real and believable...I think Gulaal has been a milestone in The Indian television..which dared to challenge the mindsets obsessed with Saas bahu drama...🤢

Oh and just see the twists and turns in Kesar's behaviour ..angry ,young man..Mad passionate lover...cute selfless pati..and Finally a perfect Joru ka ghulam.😛

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Anjalg

@Anjalg

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Posted: 14 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: manzilmukul
Oh I just lubbed the weekend thread JZee.👏.and thanx to anu,anj reemz who continued the brilliant discussion...🤗
Oh BTW I just wanted to share my thoughts..I absolutely adore the characterizations of Kes and gul...so many aspects and layers..they seem real and believable...I think Gulaal has been a milestone in The Indian television..which dared to challenge the mindsets obsessed with Saas bahu drama...🤢
Oh and just see the twists and turns in Kesar's behaviour ..angry ,young man..Mad passionate lover...cute selfless pati..and Finally a perfect Joru ka ghulam.😛

Well said!! All the layers make the characters so much more intriguing and interesting! Have to thank Jzee for the thread...weekends tend to drag without our daily dose of Gulaal! The precap was so interesting...cannot wait to see whether Gulaal will finally tell Kesu everything!

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

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Posted: 14 years ago

#30

Anyone catch news of Shammiji's demise?! We're a family, and extended family of Shammi Kapoor fans in my folks - what an amazingly full of life man he was! I don't know any other yesteryear actor I liked as much... 😒

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